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About 22 Minutes in from here on Warhammer Community.
Its a Redemptor Dread on steroids. Two Closer Combat arms is mostly costmetic with the current system, because you make (almost) all your attacks with the one weapon anyway. At best it gets +1A for having weapon X, or +1A for having two matched/paired Weapon X's. They're pushing Talons and Multi-meltas, but I'm thinking Fists and Dakka Dakka. The Multi Meltas, the Talons, and even the Fists all double up on target "audience". Rack up the Dakka instead so you have dual purpose. Unless the Talons have some sort of plasma gun effect. They have some sort of bit on them instead of the Bolt-ish things they're calling rifles that may be the non Rapid Fire version.

I would have expected the Desolation Squad to come out closer to 4/1 than 1/4. I was expecting a Missile Launcher Primaris eventually. But not now, and not for them to imply you can mix and match. Of all the holes in the Primaris list, this would not have been tops on my list. But I'm pretty sure we know what the FOTM for 10th Edition will be now.

The Primaris Lieutenant was even worse. Its Not A Scout, it's not a Deep Striker, its not Gravis Armored LT. Its not a Primaris Bike Captain, any sort of Bike Lieutenant, Terminator Lieutenant, it's not a jump pack assault squad. And it IS yet another Lieutenant with only one option we didn't have before.

So all in all, we didn't really fill in a hole that wasn't already filled before This just made the round peg in the round hole a little longer.




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Other Boxed Set revealed is here

We've already seen Primaris Azrael, already knew he was going to be in Primaris armor. Keeping a Watcher in the Dark with the Lion Helm - and a Marine sized as opposed to Primarch sized Lion Helm is interesting with the Lion coming back and this opportunity to change up his wargear.

The Deathwing Terminators do not look new, they look like the set from the Dark Vengeance Box. The auto-bolter choice for the Intercessors is interesting.

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It's also additional bloat to the SM range. Did we really need a whole new Dreadnought rather than just the option to have two close combat arms on the current Redemptor? The missile dudes could easily have just been another option for Hellblasters. While we're on the subject, what the hell is the point of the belt feed on those things? The whole weapon is way overdone but the belt feed is just ridiculous since it seems to feed into a rotary launcher, for some reason.

The Lt. is fine as a almost-one-size-fits-all kit with all the options. It's just really frustrating they couldn't do the same for Chaos Lords, for example, instead of just removing all their options completely.
   
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Slipspace wrote:
It's also additional bloat to the SM range.

We get it. People who hate Marines are often the first to use the word "bloat".

Did we really need a whole new Dreadnought rather than just the option to have two close combat arms on the current Redemptor?
Yes. In the first place, we needed a second Redemptor chassis data sheet - in the second place, its a new kit, that generally means a new data sheet. Did we need it right now? No.

The missile dudes could easily have just been another option for Hellblasters.
No, they couldn't have been. We already have a data sheet for Hellblasters, and it doesn't have any wording for Missile Launchers. We have a Datasheet for Dark Reapers and for Fire Dragons. The special rules do not overlap. That's the current design paradigm, and its there for Aeldari and its there for Space Marines.

While we're on the subject, what the hell is the point of the belt feed on those things? The whole weapon is way overdone but the belt feed is just ridiculous since it seems to feed into a rotary launcher, for some reason.
The Belt Feed is probably the least objectional thing about them. The Fantasy SciFi version of an XM214 belt fed rotary barrel minigun is pretty easy to see.


The Lt. is fine as a almost-one-size-fits-all kit with all the options. It's just really frustrating they couldn't do the same for Chaos Lords, for example, instead of just removing all their options completely.


The LT isn't fine. It's something like the 6th? 7th? Lieutenant Kit that doesn't have a significant battlefield role/performance change? The fist could/would/should have been just as easily an addon to the Shoulderpad and Bits kit that would have made it avalable for Sergeants and Lieutenants. There are more than half a dozen HQ choices we need more of list/option completion more than ANOTHER Mark X Tacticus Armor. Gravis Chaplain, Gravis Lieutenant, Gravis Libby, Bike Cap, Bike Libby, Bike LT, Infiltrating Lieutenant. The box has to have some sort of HQ based on current paradigms, so it should have been one of the ones we don't have and DO need (especially after even GW admitted they're stupid about Lieutenants) if they're not going to fill in the Squad choices we're completely missing instead of just missing variety. Say Jump Pack Fighters.

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leutnants, captains chaos lords, archons, etc. should get 1-2 datasheets and options on them, including jumppacks, bikes, jetbikes, waaghbosses etc etc.

Not this. Regardless of faction.

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Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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Breton wrote:
Yes. In the first place, we needed a second Redemptor chassis data sheet - in the second place, its a new kit, that generally means a new data sheet. Did we need it right now? No.


Going purely by the fact that the rumour engine pic of the missile Marine weapon had been out for almost two years, which should mean that at least painted masters, more realistically painted studio miniatures, for them had to exist at least since then, it stands to reason that their release has been postponed for quite some time due to some factors that we are not aware of. It was the oldest outstanding rumour engine pic by quite some margin, about 9 months or so iirc.

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Man, I really want that vashtorr model I’m gonna have to buy the box.

With regards to the lion helm, isn’t that an accent relic? So it wouldn’t be upsized to primaris. In fact I think originally it meant guy have been lion el Johnson’s helmet before they made primarchs super sized
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
leutnants, captains chaos lords, archons, etc. should get 1-2 datasheets and options on them, including jumppacks, bikes, jetbikes, waaghbosses etc etc.

Not this. Regardless of faction.


That's not how they're doing it. They don't trust us to modify Stat Lines more than a +1 to A or so here and there. They don't trust us for 6" unless Bike, Unless Jump Pack, Unless Terminator, unless Gravis. They don't trust us to swap a Bolt Rifle for Gravis Armor and a Power Sword. That's just how they're doing it.


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Tsagualsa wrote:
Breton wrote:
Yes. In the first place, we needed a second Redemptor chassis data sheet - in the second place, its a new kit, that generally means a new data sheet. Did we need it right now? No.


Going purely by the fact that the rumour engine pic of the missile Marine weapon had been out for almost two years, which should mean that at least painted masters, more realistically painted studio miniatures, for them had to exist at least since then, it stands to reason that their release has been postponed for quite some time due to some factors that we are not aware of. It was the oldest outstanding rumour engine pic by quite some margin, about 9 months or so iirc.


Because Missiles haven't been the flavor of the month. First round Plasma was the FOTM - ergo Hellblasters. Then Melta - thus Eradicators. I'm betting Missles will be the FOTM in 10th, and thus Desolators?

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I know.

Doesn't change the fact that it is nonsense.

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GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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Not Online!!! wrote:
I know.

Doesn't change the fact that it is nonsense.


Its either of the following. 6 Data sheets chopped up on one page, or 6 datasheets all on their own. You've got to match keywords to options to units to statline. Chopping 6 into 1 is going to have its own issues with If Then Else statements.

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Breton wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
It's also additional bloat to the SM range.

We get it. People who hate Marines are often the first to use the word "bloat".


I own 2 SM armies so your bizarre jumping to conclusions is way off base here, unsurprisingly. What else would you call adding yet more datasheets to the faction in the game that already has the most?

Breton wrote:
Slipspace wrote:


Did we really need a whole new Dreadnought rather than just the option to have two close combat arms on the current Redemptor?
Yes. In the first place, we needed a second Redemptor chassis data sheet - in the second place, its a new kit, that generally means a new data sheet. Did we need it right now? No.

The missile dudes could easily have just been another option for Hellblasters.
No, they couldn't have been. We already have a data sheet for Hellblasters, and it doesn't have any wording for Missile Launchers. We have a Datasheet for Dark Reapers and for Fire Dragons. The special rules do not overlap. That's the current design paradigm, and its there for Aeldari and its there for Space Marines.


I'm aware of how stupid GW's current approach is - that's what I'm criticising. I'm not sure why we "need" a second Redemptor chassis datasheet either. There's no real need for a close combat Dread to be a separate datasheet other than GW's stupid policy. This also applies to the current Furioso Dread, which should just be an additional option on the regular Dread's datasheet. We also assume these datasheets will be added in some sort of ad hoc fashion, like the Gravis Captain was because GW doesn't do digital rules (another stupid policy). Therefore it's perfectly possible for them to simply issue updated datasheets for Redemptors and Hellblasters and then add them into the next SM Codex when it releases in the summer. Thematically, it shows these units are all drawn from the same specialist units.
   
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Rule of 3 is one reason. Or you think 2 redemptor and 2 this is broken OP cheese?

Players wanted rule of 3, they got it and also the consequences.

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Slipspace wrote:


I own 2 SM armies so your bizarre jumping to conclusions is way off base here, unsurprisingly. What else would you call adding yet more datasheets to the faction in the game that already has the most?
Well given the rumor First Born and Primaris are going to split - which I'm not sure I believe or would even make a difference as they'd still share the Astartes and <CHAPTER> keywords - I'd still call it what it is: a new/updated range roll out. What was there before matters little because they only count until they're replaced or as an expecation goal for when its replaced.

Breton wrote:
Slipspace wrote:


Did we really need a whole new Dreadnought rather than just the option to have two close combat arms on the current Redemptor?
Yes. In the first place, we needed a second Redemptor chassis data sheet - in the second place, its a new kit, that generally means a new data sheet. Did we need it right now? No.

The missile dudes could easily have just been another option for Hellblasters.
No, they couldn't have been. We already have a data sheet for Hellblasters, and it doesn't have any wording for Missile Launchers. We have a Datasheet for Dark Reapers and for Fire Dragons. The special rules do not overlap. That's the current design paradigm, and its there for Aeldari and its there for Space Marines.


I'm aware of how stupid GW's current approach is - that's what I'm criticising. I'm not sure why we "need" a second Redemptor chassis datasheet either.
To maintain the thematic/chapter flavor we already have. Dread heavy lists from Iron Hands and Space Wolves for example that have a Rule of Three Issue when there's only 1 Datasheet. We don't need 6 Dread Datasheets one Primaris for each of the First born - Dread, Venerable, Ironclad, etc. But we need a couple, preferable split Elite/Heavy in some way

There's no real need for a close combat Dread to be a separate datasheet other than GW's stupid policy. This also applies to the current Furioso Dread, which should just be an additional option on the regular Dread's datasheet.
Well aside from one short period the Furioso is Blood Angel Only.

We also assume these datasheets will be added in some sort of ad hoc fashion, like the Gravis Captain was because GW doesn't do digital rules (another stupid policy). Therefore it's perfectly possible for them to simply issue updated datasheets for Redemptors and Hellblasters and then add them into the next SM Codex when it releases in the summer. Thematically, it shows these units are all drawn from the same specialist units.


Digital Rules for the Gravis Captain and Primaris Ancient
Kratos Digital Datasheet

There's also a Digital Datasheet download for:
Kroot Farstalkers
Navy Breachers
Traitor Guardsmen
Gellerpox
Autarchs
Elucidian Starsriders
and Severina Raine.


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mrFickle wrote:
before they made primarchs super sized


That's my point, the helm should be supersized because the Primarchs were. Truth be told, the Helm shouldn't be an option anymore, so that The Lion can get his helm again. It should be the Watcher holding the scabbard - which is an option - and the scabbard should have a doo-dad effect to replace the helm.

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Maybe people should read the lore for the Lion Helm because it's very specifically "rumoured" to be worn by the Lion. And with nobody around to refute the fact it is believed to be true 10k years after the Lion's disappearance.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Maybe people should read the lore for the Lion Helm because it's very specifically "rumoured" to be worn by the Lion. And with nobody around to refute the fact it is believed to be true 10k years after the Lion's disappearance.


It will be hilarious once LJ wakes up, the armoury master goes up to him, all tearful and proud-like 'Sir, we have guarded this succesfully for ten millenia for you' and LJ goes 'WTF is this crap, i've never seen that before, doesn't even fit you dolt'
   
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In ten thousand years nobody looked at any of the other confirmed Primarch relics, or the *actual Primarchs* that are existent, and had a big think that the Lion Helm is too smol.
   
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Breton wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
I know.

Doesn't change the fact that it is nonsense.


Its either of the following. 6 Data sheets chopped up on one page, or 6 datasheets all on their own. You've got to match keywords to options to units to statline. Chopping 6 into 1 is going to have its own issues with If Then Else statements.

I broadly agree when it comes to characters that it is cleaner to have [Role] in [Armour] as a datasheet, but I cannae defend the Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle as needing his own datasheet.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Breton wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
I know.

Doesn't change the fact that it is nonsense.


Its either of the following. 6 Data sheets chopped up on one page, or 6 datasheets all on their own. You've got to match keywords to options to units to statline. Chopping 6 into 1 is going to have its own issues with If Then Else statements.

I broadly agree when it comes to characters that it is cleaner to have [Role] in [Armour] as a datasheet, but I cannae defend the Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle as needing his own datasheet.


That's one that probably shouldn't be yeah. Gravis Captain - starts with X, can trade for Y or Z. Start with Heavy Bolt, and MC Powersword, they can trade their Heavy Bolt for Boltstorm, If they trade for the Boltstorm, they can trade their MC Powersword for Yadda Yadda. But no matter what it's still a 5" move, and on and on. And it's what we've already seen with other data sheets. But we don't see Captain, who can trade their bolter for a bike and he gets +4 move + 1 W, +1T, and can then only trade his chainsword for Yadda Yadda. I would hope that one gets cleaned up in SM 2.0 just before 10th.

My main problem is still that we have holes with nothing, but all they did was give us options for things we already had. Primaris needs wider not deeper at this point.

Edit to add: I don't even mind if a Gravis Cap with Heavy Bolt Rifle and a MC Power Sword gets to keep the Gravis Fighting styles for his MC Sword. He (The Bolt Rifle captain) is probably still not getting taken.

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I hope no marine codex before 10 as that means yet another version with launch of 10th...

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Having had a little think, I don't like the melta nipples. I kinda feel that somewhere, someone went "the meta players love multi-meltas right? I'll put 2 on this fella, they'll go nuts for it" rather than existing for any good reason. I can let the heavy bolters slip because it's a heavy bolter on a dread, that makes sense, but I feel it should be heavy flamers instead to suit that "up close" feeling this thing is meant to have, not "YAY MORE MULTIMELTAS"
   
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tneva82 wrote:
I hope no marine codex before 10 as that means yet another version with launch of 10th...


Nah. The rules will be in the box and then we'll see a codex in July most likely.
   
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Honestly? I yawn. It's all boring to me.

The fact they'd package the same oblits and venomcrawler from Shadowspear instead of just giving us a proper box for them is insulting. What other faction is dealing with that sort of BS from GW?

Marines marines. If you don't like them, get ready to snooze through the rest of the year, because that's what we're going to see a lot of through the launch of 10th.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
Having had a little think, I don't like the melta nipples. I kinda feel that somewhere, someone went "the meta players love multi-meltas right? I'll put 2 on this fella, they'll go nuts for it" rather than existing for any good reason. I can let the heavy bolters slip because it's a heavy bolter on a dread, that makes sense, but I feel it should be heavy flamers instead to suit that "up close" feeling this thing is meant to have, not "YAY MORE MULTIMELTAS"


I don't mind the Melta. Melta is frequently the swap for Heavy Flamer. FirstBorn Dreads could have Melta Arms. Instead of Making the Talons more Anti-Tank than the Fists, I would have made them like LC's with a 2Attacks at base S every time 1 attack is made mechanic. You know the chaff thresher mechanic I'm talking about. But the other thing I think is this isn't really a marine Dread extension - sure they gave it to everyone but its got a different purpose.. This is the ground work for Furioso and Bjorn to cross the Rubicon. But yeah, my inclination - at least pre-rules/stats viewing is to load up on the bolt-y things, and the fists to get more bolt-y things under the same theory of taking a Gravis Captain with a sword of some kind. You've already got a Fist in the boltstorm, get the chaff in the other weapon. 1 Extra attack for taking the powerfist named Power Fist isn't really worth it.

Sadly neither of them really leap off the page at me. I'll probably get the Strike Force Agastus - and probably a couple times - in order to get the Dreads and the Desolators. I already have my UM Heavy Intercessors, but I could always use these for a weapon swap or Dark Angel Veteran Heavy Intercessors in the hopes those eventually become a thing, and a Lieutenant with a Power Fist. But if they really wanted to thrill me this would have had an HQ we didn't already have, and some Jump Pack Fight Phase Infantry.


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drbored wrote:
Honestly? I yawn. It's all boring to me.

What other faction is dealing with that sort of BS from GW?


All of them? Seen a box of Suppressors yet? That didn't come in a bundle with the rest of a combat patrol? The Bladeguard Cap or LT on their own in a clamshell? The Victrix Guard without Calgar?

Didn't I JUST point out the Deathwing Terminators look like the same ones from the Dark Vengeance Starter set from what 4 editions ago?

Of course that doesn't count though does it? Because Marine players aren't allowed to participate in the release schedule. Did you whine this much when Aeldari/Harlequinns etc got their releases with their codex? Did you complain IG are getting new models? I wonder what could be the difference here....

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The dark behind the eyes.

The Lieutenant is a nice model. I know SMs have been waiting a long time for one to be released.

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Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

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You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

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Breton wrote:
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drbored wrote:
Honestly? I yawn. It's all boring to me.

What other faction is dealing with that sort of BS from GW?


All of them? Seen a box of Suppressors yet? That didn't come in a bundle with the rest of a combat patrol? The Bladeguard Cap or LT on their own in a clamshell? The Victrix Guard without Calgar?

Didn't I JUST point out the Deathwing Terminators look like the same ones from the Dark Vengeance Starter set from what 4 editions ago?

Of course that doesn't count though does it? Because Marine players aren't allowed to participate in the release schedule. Did you whine this much when Aeldari/Harlequinns etc got their releases with their codex? Did you complain IG are getting new models? I wonder what could be the difference here....


4 editions is at least a good span of time, and at least it's the FULL KIT, not the mono-pose BS of the Obliterators.

And no, I'm actually thrilled when those other factions get their releases, because THEY SELDOM GET ANYTHING, compared to Marines that get a new series of kits every year. Y'all spoiled and you don't even realize it.

To be fair, i did forget about Suppressors, but hey, most marine players did too.
   
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Breton wrote:
drbored wrote:
Honestly? I yawn. It's all boring to me.

What other faction is dealing with that sort of BS from GW?


All of them? Seen a box of Suppressors yet? That didn't come in a bundle with the rest of a combat patrol? The Bladeguard Cap or LT on their own in a clamshell? The Victrix Guard without Calgar?

Didn't I JUST point out the Deathwing Terminators look like the same ones from the Dark Vengeance Starter set from what 4 editions ago?

Of course that doesn't count though does it? Because Marine players aren't allowed to participate in the release schedule. Did you whine this much when Aeldari/Harlequinns etc got their releases with their codex? Did you complain IG are getting new models? I wonder what could be the difference here....
Loyalist Space Marines make up around half the release schedule.
No other faction does. That's the difference.

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 JNAProductions wrote:
Breton wrote:
drbored wrote:
Honestly? I yawn. It's all boring to me.

What other faction is dealing with that sort of BS from GW?


All of them? Seen a box of Suppressors yet? That didn't come in a bundle with the rest of a combat patrol? The Bladeguard Cap or LT on their own in a clamshell? The Victrix Guard without Calgar?

Didn't I JUST point out the Deathwing Terminators look like the same ones from the Dark Vengeance Starter set from what 4 editions ago?

Of course that doesn't count though does it? Because Marine players aren't allowed to participate in the release schedule. Did you whine this much when Aeldari/Harlequinns etc got their releases with their codex? Did you complain IG are getting new models? I wonder what could be the difference here....
Loyalist Space Marines make up around half the release schedule.
No other faction does. That's the difference.

I'm going to need citation for that, even with this upcoming wave I don't think they're at 1/3 even?
   
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Dudeface wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
Breton wrote:
drbored wrote:
Honestly? I yawn. It's all boring to me.

What other faction is dealing with that sort of BS from GW?


All of them? Seen a box of Suppressors yet? That didn't come in a bundle with the rest of a combat patrol? The Bladeguard Cap or LT on their own in a clamshell? The Victrix Guard without Calgar?

Didn't I JUST point out the Deathwing Terminators look like the same ones from the Dark Vengeance Starter set from what 4 editions ago?

Of course that doesn't count though does it? Because Marine players aren't allowed to participate in the release schedule. Did you whine this much when Aeldari/Harlequinns etc got their releases with their codex? Did you complain IG are getting new models? I wonder what could be the difference here....
Loyalist Space Marines make up around half the release schedule.
No other faction does. That's the difference.

I'm going to need citation for that, even with this upcoming wave I don't think they're at 1/3 even?
There was a page on Lexicanum (I think) that had all the releases, and I'm trying to find it to doublecheck myself. Will edit this post if I find it.

Edit: Regardless of the exact amount, Space Marines get more releases than anyone else. That's not in dispute, to my knowledge.

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Probably not the best to check JNAPRODUCTIONS on numbers.
   
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 JNAProductions wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
Breton wrote:
drbored wrote:
Honestly? I yawn. It's all boring to me.

What other faction is dealing with that sort of BS from GW?


All of them? Seen a box of Suppressors yet? That didn't come in a bundle with the rest of a combat patrol? The Bladeguard Cap or LT on their own in a clamshell? The Victrix Guard without Calgar?

Didn't I JUST point out the Deathwing Terminators look like the same ones from the Dark Vengeance Starter set from what 4 editions ago?

Of course that doesn't count though does it? Because Marine players aren't allowed to participate in the release schedule. Did you whine this much when Aeldari/Harlequinns etc got their releases with their codex? Did you complain IG are getting new models? I wonder what could be the difference here....
Loyalist Space Marines make up around half the release schedule.
No other faction does. That's the difference.

I'm going to need citation for that, even with this upcoming wave I don't think they're at 1/3 even?
There was a page on Lexicanum (I think) that had all the releases, and I'm trying to find it to doublecheck myself. Will edit this post if I find it.

Edit: Regardless of the exact amount, Space Marines get more releases than anyone else. That's not in dispute, to my knowledge.


https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Space_Marines

Not counting the limited edition models that have come out the last few years, space marines still got 2 new kits per year over the last 2 years, with 2 more this year not counting the new edition coming, and then go back 3 years and you have the entire edition release for 9th as well.

Even if we JUST count the 2 models per year the past 2 years, that's still more than most other factions got, as many times a faction gets updated with just a Codex and 1 hero when they get updated FOR AN ENTIRE EDITION.

Add the limited edition models and the 9th edition releases, you're talking about a 3-year period where the faction got a whopping THIRTY NEW KITS, and that's still not counting what we're getting this year.

Yeah, spoiled.

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Probably not the best to check JNAPRODUCTIONS on numbers.
Heh. I appreciate the vote of confidence, but while my math skills are on point, that doesn't do jack diddly if I don't have the actual numbers to work with.

And that's the link, DrBored! Thank you.

Edit: For those curious, new thread about releases.

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