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Boom! Leman Russ Commander




Jacksonville Florida

This past weekend 2 players from my gaming group played against each other and a few questions came up (as the most experienced player and the one who got everyone addicted to plastic crack I usually act as a GM/Ref for our games). The one player uses Custodes and the other Necrons, during the Necron players turn 3 he attempted to fall back with a unit of 20 warriors from combat with 4 Allarus Terminators who where in stance 2 of Kaptaris. The Custodes player had previously used Unleash The Lions to turn the Terminators into individual 4 units and so this brings me to my questions.

1. After reading through how Kaptaris works I can't tell if the player falling back would have to roll off against each unit in engagement range or if they only need to make 1 roll to determine if they can fall back from all Custodes Infantry units in their engagement range. I'm leaning towards the later but I could be wrong (it hasn't yet but this could also come up with my Wyches and Succubus).

2. If the Necrons player would have to roll off against each Custodes infantry unit individually what happens if he succeeds against all but 1 of the units he's engaged with? To my mind he can fall back from the engagement range of the units he succeeded against as long as he does not move any models in engagement range with the unit he failed against and maintains unit coherency.

I made a ruling during the game but I'd like some clarification for future games!

 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

1. As it says ‘any’ not ‘each’ it’s one roll total, not one per Custodes unit in ER.

2. Moot, as it’s one roll only.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Confessor Of Sins





Tacoma, WA, USA

I concur. The rule is any units with, so only one rule is required regardless of how many units with are in Engagement Range.
   
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander




Jacksonville Florida

That's what I thought, I appreciate the responses. However if anyone has any input on the second point I'd appreciate it. It may not have been relevant in that specific instance however it could come up again in future games

 
   
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Confessor Of Sins





Tacoma, WA, USA

If there was an instance where a unit had to roll multiple times against multiple units that were attempting to prevent it from Falling Back, any one instance that prevents them from Falling Back from any specific unit will prevent them from Falling Back at all.

Core Rules wrote:FALL BACK
When a unit Falls Back, each model in that unit can move a distance in inches equal to or less than the Move (M) characteristic shown on its datasheet, and when doing so you can move it within Engagement Range of enemy models, but it cannot end its move within Engagement Range of any enemy models – if it cannot do this then it cannot Fall Back. A unit cannot declare a charge in the same turn that it Fell Back. A unit cannot shoot or attempt to manifest a psychic power in the same turn that it Fell Back unless it is TITANIC.
   
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander




Jacksonville Florida

 alextroy wrote:
If there was an instance where a unit had to roll multiple times against multiple units that were attempting to prevent it from Falling Back, any one instance that prevents them from Falling Back from any specific unit will prevent them from Falling Back at all.

Core Rules wrote:FALL BACK
When a unit Falls Back, each model in that unit can move a distance in inches equal to or less than the Move (M) characteristic shown on its datasheet, and when doing so you can move it within Engagement Range of enemy models, but it cannot end its move within Engagement Range of any enemy models – if it cannot do this then it cannot Fall Back. A unit cannot declare a charge in the same turn that it Fell Back. A unit cannot shoot or attempt to manifest a psychic power in the same turn that it Fell Back unless it is TITANIC.


Ok good to know, should have just looked in the fall back rules lol

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/02/06 01:16:55


 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
That's what I thought, I appreciate the responses. However if anyone has any input on the second point I'd appreciate it. It may not have been relevant in that specific instance however it could come up again in future games


Is there another relevant rule that might create such an eventuality? There aren’t any I know of, and as I mentioned it’s moot regarding the OP as it isn’t a possible situation. Better to help you handle a possible situation than hypothetical answers to hypothetical but maybe not even possible situations!

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Confessor Of Sins





Tacoma, WA, USA

Fortunately, the answer to his hypothetical question is easily covered by the core rules, so it is all good.
   
 
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