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The HH release for HH was a bit of a non-event. The new campaign book is no substitute for the kits that HH needs. But it looks to me as though the new Lion kit is well suited to HH. It’s a great model (IMO), and the armour is retro enough to fit into the Heresy era. Just use the helmeted head. What do you guys think?

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Yea we got done dirty. Unless we still get a big Heresy Thursday spoiler today.

Lion could certainly be used, it's not like he shrank or grew in the 10000 years, but he probably needs weapon swaps too.

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Lion is yes, if you like. Choice is good.

The campaigns book is a bit of a disappointment for me. Those 2 legions already have rich content.

I don't like mixing of core game content such as ZM rules and new Core missions with legion specific content in one book. I am interested in the general game rules but would have preferred not to have to buy and carry around another thick book for that. Hopefully it gets packaged separately too somehow.

And I anticipate a plastic Cerastus Knight chassis given its place on the front cover. Great and all but we (and especially anyone without 3dprint access) badly need plastic assault marines, despoilers and breachers before that.

So I hope they will tease and release more plastic infantry for summer release, maybe in a Boxed set as has been discussed.

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I don't think they'd do a plastic cerastus because if you wanted one you'd have a resin one by now.
It's an easy kit to produce in resin if the casting blocks that were attached to mine were anything to go by.

Also, they seem to want me to get £400 worth of armigers to use my knight list for 2.0 which indicates to me they pretty much know us knight-heads have what we want already.

On the basis of being an auto-purchase just because of nostalgia, i think the plastic thunderhawk gunship/transporter is their winning move (maybe the stormbird for the modern day?)
I would be auto-purchasing at least one.

A full plastic Stormeagle/Stormraven/Darkwing would make a lot of sense too

Crazy idea for the board: release a plastic macro-lander prow and entrance ramp you put at the table edge as a terrain peice
Kinda like the Primus Redoubt.

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Honestly.-,

feth these side book DLCification that is going on.

..

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I wouldn't put much stock in something getting a new kit because it's on the cover of a book.
As for the content, honestly, I don't mind it but then again I'm used to it having been through HH 1 where entire armies were confined to the Black Books.
With regards to the Lion, absolutely. With some minor effort that can be made to fit the wargear of the HH. Warhammer is an expensive hobby and making it easier for people to get heavy hitters like Primarchs is good in my books.


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Not Online!!! wrote:
Honestly.-,

feth these side book DLCification that is going on.

..

Uh yeah? That's the point of a campaign book. Additional content after the main release of the main product. Since when was additional stuff suddenly bad? Is it because you have to pay for it?

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how about we see the finished core rules first`?

Or the core in plastic for marines?

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Starting to ponder if gert works for GW.

The only time i find that immediate overtly positive outlook on GW/FW in real life is with GW staff.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
how about we see the finished core rules first`?

They're done. The only things missing are Daemons and Militia, both of which have already been confirmed. Were you expecting Militia rules within the same week as their announcement or something?

Or the core in plastic for marines?

Once again, staggered releases make more money. The people working on the campaign book aren't the ones working on models either so complaining about it is just silly. This book existing has absolutely no bearing on the release of plastic Assault/Despoilers.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
Starting to ponder if gert works for GW.

The only time i find that immediate overtly positive outlook on GW/FW in real life is with GW staff.

Nah chief, I'm just not a bitter person when it comes to HH. I dropped 40k because of how miserable it made me and I don't have the time to do other GW games. I'm critical when I need to be but I'm also very realistic about things and endless whinging about the same thing for the past 8 months just makes me sad for the state of the community.

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You are being very disingenuous implying everyone who has issues with FW/GW is a 'bitter person'.
Fair enough if you want positivity, but i think you're (willfully) forgetting the companies you're talking about - exactly like GW staff.

If you want positivity just wait till i finish writing the Mars book for original edition.

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Gert wrote: ..in something getting a new kit because it's on the cover of a book

Course not, with you on that but it was not just because of the cover. To me the cover feels too much of a coincidence to just happen to feature a Lancer when there's been multiple rumours about a plastic Cerastus floating around since December. So I added up 1+1. Might still be trolling or a coincidence and mean nothing, we'll see.

And I agree with Donald it does not make the greatest business sense since e.g a Storm Eagle would probably far outsell it. But still, we'll see. They could do at least 3 Kits off that chassis though, and the Castigator would probably outsell the Lancer. Me I would much prefer an Eagle /Fire Raptor kit before it if we're talking big kits.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
You are being very disingenuous implying everyone who has issues with FW/GW is a 'bitter person'.

People who live in glass houses.

 westiebestie wrote:

Course not, with you on that but it was not just because of the cover. To me the cover feels too much of a coincidence to just happen to feature a Lancer when there's been multiple rumours about a plastic Cerastus floating around since December. So I added up 1+1. Might still be trolling or a coincidence and lean nothing, we'll see.

Oh damn really? Maybe there is something to it. Not up to date on the rumours TBH but I'd certainly grab one if they were plastic.
   
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You don't have to like it, but it's true.
I've met very few genuinely bitter people.

Don't confuse a feeling of betrayal for general bitterness in a persons outlook.

Or you could stop using hyperbole when commenting another persons opinion/outlook of course.

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Well, for me, he is as disappointing as Gulliman was. I don't know, I just really don't like the general vibes of the 40k primarchs. They look cheap and overdone, like toys. The head is the only thing making him bearable. I could even use it on the 30k Lion
If the new black book is as good and complete as the old ones, it could be good news. Old FW campaign books were among the best things that happened to 30k, so if we could keep that in a way, that's good

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Not a model I'm interested in but I would definitely use it over the official HH Forgeworld model, which is not designed for gaming but instead the mantle piece or a diorama entry for Golden Demons.

Giving it a lot of thought, a plastic Cerastus would be as large a kit as the Baneblade, and yet would make an excellent addition to the Imperial / Chaos 40K codices. It would also remove the need for three separate Forgeworld products. I'm not one for such large models, but I would definitely make an exception.

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Surprised to see so much negativity for the campaign book. Between the success of the black books and the positivity surrounding the Titanicus ones they were inevitable.
   
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I think the relatively unfavourable reaction is due to the strong desire amongst players to see the biggest holes in the plastic range plugged before they push out this kind of stuff.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Surprised to see so much negativity for the campaign book. Between the success of the black books and the positivity surrounding the Titanicus ones they were inevitable.


Cut content DLC is preciscly what it is.

And even if it weren't Cut content that should've been in the libers for their corresponding legions, it seems that we will get this before we even have militia&cults (you know where the bulk of the imperial army is supposedly) and daemons.

Nothing against Black books but first finish the core propperly.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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I want to know where this notion of "cut content" comes from because I don't see how it's a thing. Was everything released after the Red army books for HH 1 cut content? If not why? Why is this "cut content"?
   
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 Gert wrote:
I want to know where this notion of "cut content" comes from because I don't see how it's a thing. Was everything released after the Red army books for HH 1 cut content? If not why? Why is this "cut content"?

because at the time the horus heresy wasn't as fleshed out as it was at the end of HH1.0

ergo the failure to include specific units like inductii already in the HH2.0 books is cut content. Content that was already there.


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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
because at the time the horus heresy wasn't as fleshed out as it was at the end of HH1.0

ergo the failure to include specific units like inductii already in the HH2.0 books is cut content. Content that was already there.

I mean sort of? Inductii were only available to World Eaters armies if they took Gahlan Surlak and that unit was only present in Book 6. So I would argue that it's not cut content when it's seemingly being made available as a generic unit.
As for the rest, a new Centurion, characters, more missions, and ZM rules that aren't stuck in a White Dwarf. I'd call that a win IMO.
Does it suck that it's probably about two months late? Yeah but unless this hits really stupid prizes I don't see how this is a bad thing.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
because at the time the horus heresy wasn't as fleshed out as it was at the end of HH1.0

ergo the failure to include specific units like inductii already in the HH2.0 books is cut content. Content that was already there.

I mean sort of? Inductii were only available to World Eaters armies if they took Gahlan Surlak and that unit was only present in Book 6. So I would argue that it's not cut content when it's seemingly being made available as a generic unit.
As for the rest, a new Centurion, characters, more missions, and ZM rules that aren't stuck in a White Dwarf. I'd call that a win IMO.
Does it suck that it's probably about two months late? Yeah but unless this hits really stupid prizes I don't see how this is a bad thing.


aren't we already at really stupid prices? Considering the contents of the admech book?
For that price they easily could've added some more lore and pictures in it.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Right, but unless you have 0 access to an independent retailer, nobody is forcing you to go to GW.
I just don't see how this upcoming book is a problem.
   
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A reminder for anyone who didn't care about the Ordo Reductor in the first place - on release there basically wasn't an Ordo Reductor.
I was able to build a complete Ordo Reductor army list with nothing but cut content.
Putting our unique units in the PDF and accessible by any flavour of Mechanicum after it was pointed out is not acceptable.
Dumping our non-superheavy Minotaurs into the Legion PDF for any army to freely take is even less acceptable.

Magos reductor HQ choice still missing.
Our unique force org chart is still missing.
How nice of them to include Calleb Decima in the Core list with a mishmash of his two previous profiles rolled into one (missing the option to use an abeyant or take a macrocarid DT) Why is he suddenly a cyberthurgist though?
The variety in thralls is cut (initially you didn't even get to choose mitralocks, and now they need a dedicated separate unit?)
Also cut are Thallax with custom heavy chain blades.
The domitar robot ignis-frag missiles are cut.
The mechanicum tarantula sentry gun weapon options are cut.
Minotaur artillery battery phased plasma fusil pintle upgrade is cut.
There is more, i just think i've illustrated the point enough by now.

Are they intending to ever release a Blacksheilds list? even in PDF form?
Or knights-errant? or are knights errant fans stuck playing a different army now?

There is no way to construe all these points as anything other than "lets just cut this stuff... oh jeez, they noticed... add it to the PDF... we still friends, yeah? great, now buy these books.."

That's an abusive relationship.

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 Gert wrote:
Right, but unless you have 0 access to an independent retailer, nobody is forcing you to go to GW.
I just don't see how this upcoming book is a problem.


I am in a country that technically has extensive free trade treaties and get fethed by GW due to magic currency exchange rates and import tarrifs, treated as rest of the world. IoW it is more reasonable for me at this point in time to convert or outright buy a 3d printer than to order an army from GW or local FLG's. And retailers we don't really have that discount to make it an enticing prospect.

And to your argument about inductii. I am sorry but you realise that what you describe is preciscly cut content? The fact is that the Sequel is less complete for that unit alone than before is preciscly cut content for the sake of giving a selling point to the DLC sorry "campaign book".

I don't want GW to adopt the Video gaming industry standards, it's already bad enough from a custommer perspective.


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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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 Snord wrote:
I think the relatively unfavourable reaction is due to the strong desire amongst players to see the biggest holes in the plastic range plugged before they push out this kind of stuff.


Not that not releasing this would fasten the plastic assault marines even by one day.

All it would result in no ZM rules.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
I am in a country that technically has extensive free trade treaties and get fethed by GW due to magic currency exchange rates and import tarrifs, treated as rest of the world. IoW it is more reasonable for me at this point in time to convert or outright buy a 3d printer than to order an army from GW or local FLG's. And retailers we don't really have that discount to make it an enticing prospect.

That sucks. Sorry for your lack of other options chief.

And to your argument about inductii. I am sorry but you realise that what you describe is preciscly cut content? The fact is that the Sequel is less complete for that unit alone than before is preciscly cut content for the sake of giving a selling point to the DLC sorry "campaign book".

Lets get this very clear.
World Eaters had access to the named character Gahlan Surlak, which in turn gave them the option to upgrade Tactical Squads to become Inductii. This option was removed with HH 2. Now the option is returning but is now no longer unique to the World Eaters.
This seems like a net gain to me considering every single Legion can now take Inductii and World Eaters can still take Surlak. World Eaters still have Kharn, Angron, Rampagers, and Red Butchers in Liber Hereticus alongside Surlak, Red Hand Destroyers, and Shabran Darr as Expanded units.

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And instead of putting them in the libers as they should've done they cut them and then sell them once again seperate`?
See, that is my issue.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Right but the Liber stuff as all things (barring the exception of Legion artillery) that had current or planned models. Surlak did not and as such got put in Legacies instead. So not only are all the things that were there before still there, Inductii specifically are going to be generic.
You're getting mad over literally nothing.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Right but the Liber stuff as all things (barring the exception of Legion artillery) that had current or planned models. Surlak did not and as such got put in Legacies instead. So not only are all the things that were there before still there, Inductii specifically are going to be generic.
You're getting mad over literally nothing.


no the fact that they are getting made generic, should've been generic in HH 1 and then get put in a separate book doesn't look good for GW no matter how you slice it.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
 
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