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What the title says: now with the return of the Lion, the big question is which one of the Emperor's boys will arrive next on the scene - will it be one of the currently missing Russ, Dorn etc., will we see an unlikely return from the dead for one of the previously slain ones, or will it be something even more unlikely, like a redemption arc for a traitor, the unveiling of an hitherto hidden clone or stranger things still?

Place your bets!

1. Is Ferrus not dead, like dead dead?
2. Is Vulkan not dead, like dead dead ?
3. There is no Alpharius/Omegon on the list
What I would want would be nr 3 from above especially after reading his excellent novella by Mike Brooks. What I bet will happen is Russ as he would offer some opposition to both Lion and Roboute way of thinking, and he is a father of a most unique and probably also most popular non codex Chapter.

Corax and Russ have been "seen" to some degree in the last few years, I don't know if either would be welcome back given potential changes etc.

Given the current state of the galaxy, I wouldn't be suprised if Leman Russ was the next primarch to return to active service with the Imperium.

They'll probably use the whole "time flows differently in the warp" thing to say he's only been gone a few years or something like that.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
1. Is Ferrus not dead, like dead dead?
2. Is Vulkan not dead, like dead dead

Spoiler:

after the Great Green basically disolved his ability to reincarnate - at least that is what I remember from Beast Saga so could be wrong because it was a bad series with some exceptions

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3. There is no Alpharius/Omegon on the list
What I would want would be nr 3 from above especially after reading his excellent novella by Mike Brooks. What I bet will happen is Russ as he would offer some opposition to both Lion and Roboute way of thinking, and he is a father of a most unique and probably also most popular non codex Chapter.

I included the currently dead ones anyway because let's face it, if they want them to return a way will be found...

Tsagualsa wrote:

I included the currently dead ones anyway because let's face it, if they want them to return a way will be found...

Unfortunately yes, they would find some absurd explanation to do this.

Can't imagine any one of them would sell better than Leman L Russ, but I'll throw in a vote for a dark horse...

The return of the Real Lion El'Johnson and/or Bobby Williams. To split the Imperium.

Or the Emperor Himself.

Either or.

I'd just like something less predictable then Leman R Russ popping out of a porthole and being all like 'Hey Guys! Wolf time already?"

Not really keen for more Primarchs but if it had to be done...Russ.

Then for Russ to effectively turn rebel against Lion and Guilliman, not Chaos but just rebelling against what the Imperium has become and in doing so clash with Lion El'Jonson. Then have the Lion's vendetta against Russ become more and more the focus of his efforts and Guilliman despairing of the two spending their time fighting each other more than focusing on the other threats. There it justifies large scale Imperial vs Imperial armies as different regiments, Chapters etc... pick sides. That way things are kept dark and more Primarchs don't mean suddenly the Imperium is all happy and saved.

Iracundus wrote:
Not really keen for more Primarchs but if it had to be done...Russ.

Then for Russ to effectively turn rebel against Lion and Guilliman, not Chaos but just rebelling against what the Imperium has become and in doing so clash with Lion El'Jonson. Then have the Lion's vendetta against Russ become more and more the focus of his efforts and Guilliman despairing of the two spending their time fighting each other more than focusing on the other threats. There it justifies large scale Imperial vs Imperial armies as different regiments, Chapters etc... pick sides. That way things are kept dark and more Primarchs don't mean suddenly the Imperium is all happy and saved.

I could see a scenario with 'old man Russ' returnig, making up with the Lion, both coming to the conclusion that 'what can be destroyed by the truth deserves to be' and going after the Inquisition specifically. We seem to be gearing towards a 'High Lords vs. Primarchs' setting anyway, would fit in perfectly.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Not really keen for more Primarchs but if it had to be done...Russ.

Then for Russ to effectively turn rebel against Lion and Guilliman, not Chaos but just rebelling against what the Imperium has become and in doing so clash with Lion El'Jonson. Then have the Lion's vendetta against Russ become more and more the focus of his efforts and Guilliman despairing of the two spending their time fighting each other more than focusing on the other threats. There it justifies large scale Imperial vs Imperial armies as different regiments, Chapters etc... pick sides. That way things are kept dark and more Primarchs don't mean suddenly the Imperium is all happy and saved.

I could see a scenario with 'old man Russ' returnig, making up with the Lion, both coming to the conclusion that 'what can be destroyed by the truth deserves to be' and going after the Inquisition specifically. We seem to be gearing towards a 'High Lords vs. Primarchs' setting anyway, would fit in perfectly.

Nah, that would be no suspense because I cannot see any High Lords winning against 1 let alone multiple Primarchs, as they have already lost against Guilliman, who has already purged those that opposed him. That was in one of the novels where basically Guilliman had a counter to their efforts and everything worked "just as planned".

Russ might take such a stance. I could see Lion opposing due to personal vendetta and also because his secretiveness means he is not opposed to the Imperium being kept ignorant of all but the barest necessity. Guilliman would be the pragmatic one in the middle facepalming or having his head in his heads while the other two spend their time smashing each other.

Iracundus wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Not really keen for more Primarchs but if it had to be done...Russ.

Then for Russ to effectively turn rebel against Lion and Guilliman, not Chaos but just rebelling against what the Imperium has become and in doing so clash with Lion El'Jonson. Then have the Lion's vendetta against Russ become more and more the focus of his efforts and Guilliman despairing of the two spending their time fighting each other more than focusing on the other threats. There it justifies large scale Imperial vs Imperial armies as different regiments, Chapters etc... pick sides. That way things are kept dark and more Primarchs don't mean suddenly the Imperium is all happy and saved.

I could see a scenario with 'old man Russ' returnig, making up with the Lion, both coming to the conclusion that 'what can be destroyed by the truth deserves to be' and going after the Inquisition specifically. We seem to be gearing towards a 'High Lords vs. Primarchs' setting anyway, would fit in perfectly.

Nah, that would be no suspense because I cannot see any High Lords winning against 1 let alone multiple Primarchs, as they have already lost against Guilliman, who has already purged those that opposed him.

Certainly not vs. a Primarch spank in the middle of Terra. A Primarch half a galaxy away, behind a rift that conveniently allows for almost no communication? That's a different cup of tea.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Not really keen for more Primarchs but if it had to be done...Russ.

Then for Russ to effectively turn rebel against Lion and Guilliman, not Chaos but just rebelling against what the Imperium has become and in doing so clash with Lion El'Jonson. Then have the Lion's vendetta against Russ become more and more the focus of his efforts and Guilliman despairing of the two spending their time fighting each other more than focusing on the other threats. There it justifies large scale Imperial vs Imperial armies as different regiments, Chapters etc... pick sides. That way things are kept dark and more Primarchs don't mean suddenly the Imperium is all happy and saved.

I could see a scenario with 'old man Russ' returnig, making up with the Lion, both coming to the conclusion that 'what can be destroyed by the truth deserves to be' and going after the Inquisition specifically. We seem to be gearing towards a 'High Lords vs. Primarchs' setting anyway, would fit in perfectly.

Nah, that would be no suspense because I cannot see any High Lords winning against 1 let alone multiple Primarchs, as they have already lost against Guilliman, who has already purged those that opposed him.

Certainly not vs. a Primarch spank in the middle of Terra. A Primarch half a galaxy away, behind a rift that conveniently allows for almost no communication? That's a different cup of tea.

Still no, because the High Lords lost against Guilliman after he left Terra. He had foreseen everything and left plans in place that all worked perfectly. That was 1 Primarch who was not even physically present. The lopsidedness of such a match up would be a total joke and boring as a story, because right now as written by GW, nobody beats a Primarch in anything whether direct combat or plotting intrigue except another Primarch.

Sure it would be nice if non-Primarch characters defeated Primarchs in things. But so far GW has not really set that precedent and without adequate setup, I could see a wailing and gnashing of teeth from any losing Primarch's fanbase.

It’ll be Russ. UM, DA, BA and SW are still the big 4 loyalist legions

I'm guessing Russ - but not for awhile. If EC and Fulgrim come out late in 10th, then I wouldn't expect Russ to arrive till the end 11th - probably early to mid 2029.

I want it to be Jaghatai, but it will probably be Russ.

 Asmodai wrote:
I'm guessing Russ - but not for awhile. If EC and Fulgrim come out late in 10th, then I wouldn't expect Russ to arrive till the end 11th - probably early to mid 2029.

Yep. Fulgrim then a bunch of dithering before Russ happens, where like the Lion, everyone knows he's coming for years but its still a 'mystery.' (though I could do with endless dithering on SCs).

But yes, the big four chapters remain so. Russ is next, with maybe a delay for the-Sanguinor-isn't-Sanguinius-but spirit incarnation nonsense, in some sort of big non-event.

Sanguinius is heavily rumored in the new BA book to basically either be the Sanguinor, or to be body puppeting Mephiston. I'm guessing his "spirit" or something dumb comes back in 10th, and Sacrifices itself to stop Leviathan. Mephy goes to. And Dante is left without a friend for the next 10k years.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Sanguinius is heavily rumored in the new BA book to basically either be the Sanguinor, or to be body puppeting Mephiston. I'm guessing his "spirit" or something dumb comes back in 10th, and Sacrifices itself to stop Leviathan. Mephy goes to. And Dante is left without a friend for the next 10k years.

Heavy spoilers for a couple of HH and 40k novels:

Sure, that might as well happen.

Tsagualsa wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Sanguinius is heavily rumored in the new BA book to basically either be the Sanguinor, or to be body puppeting Mephiston. I'm guessing his "spirit" or something dumb comes back in 10th, and Sacrifices itself to stop Leviathan. Mephy goes to. And Dante is left without a friend for the next 10k years.

Heavy spoilers for a couple of HH and 40k novels:

Spoiler:

Sanguinius is not the Sanguinor, it's some dude from the HH that fused with one of two pre-imperial Warp Spirits from Baal to rescue Sanguinius from a trap laid by an Uber-Demon. Mephiston is not being body-puppeted, but acts as the prison for the other half of that duo, which nets him even more emo points and Dragonball-Z-like superpowers in the bargain.

Citation? Because the book all but comes out and holds up a banner, saying it. Not to mention the teasing of it in DoB. Dante's dreams and all.I'm not quoting it as fact, but I'm saying the writers have been HEAVILY implying it.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Sanguinius is heavily rumored in the new BA book to basically either be the Sanguinor, or to be body puppeting Mephiston. I'm guessing his "spirit" or something dumb comes back in 10th, and Sacrifices itself to stop Leviathan. Mephy goes to. And Dante is left without a friend for the next 10k years.

Heavy spoilers for a couple of HH and 40k novels:

Spoiler:

Sanguinius is not the Sanguinor, it's some dude from the HH that fused with one of two pre-imperial Warp Spirits from Baal to rescue Sanguinius from a trap laid by an Uber-Demon. Mephiston is not being body-puppeted, but acts as the prison for the other half of that duo, which nets him even more emo points and Dragonball-Z-like superpowers in the bargain.

Citation? Because the book all but comes out and holds up a banner, saying it. Not to mention the teasing of it in DoB. Dante's dreams and all.I'm not quoting it as fact, but I'm saying the writers have been HEAVILY implying it.

About the Sanguinor:



The stuff about Mephiston is in 'Darkness in the Blood'.

That being said, it is not out of the question that they simply retcon it, or involve a spirit/echo/revenant of Sanguinius in addition to all that convoluted stuff, or do a quasi-retcon like '10k years of veneration empowered the Sanguinor and made him like Sanguinius' or whatever.

Sanguinius.

Just so we can watch the design team squirm trying to explain it and the community's head explode when it happens.


Though they're more likely to go with Russ.

I’d expect Russ, to be honest.

I mean of the original Legionnes, you have the Main Four in Ultras, Blangels, Dangels and Woofs.

Sanguinius is still suffering a rather nasty case of deth, and Russ is the last one MIA.

Be cool for the Kahn to come back but it risks having more awful flanderised units like the Wolves and the Angels.

There is still only the one Loyalist Primarch. the Traitors now have 4 released for 40k.

That said, I would strongly suspect it would be for a chapter that is both not currently 'that' popular, and is also one that has lots of unique units, so I would bet on Leman Russ being the second Loyalist to return. to fuel the sale of the wolfy wolf wolf space wolf wolves.

Iracundus wrote:
Not really keen for more Primarchs but if it had to be done...Russ.

Then for Russ to effectively turn rebel against Lion and Guilliman, not Chaos but just rebelling against what the Imperium has become and in doing so clash with Lion El'Jonson. Then have the Lion's vendetta against Russ become more and more the focus of his efforts and Guilliman despairing of the two spending their time fighting each other more than focusing on the other threats. There it justifies large scale Imperial vs Imperial armies as different regiments, Chapters etc... pick sides. That way things are kept dark and more Primarchs don't mean suddenly the Imperium is all happy and saved.

Ya your on the right track with this then the lion hunts down russ and they duel and the lion casually destroys him in a condescending fashion.

I like the way you think.

I'm reposting myself from another thread:

Valrak says Russ is next? Nah, next primarch will be the Khan (I saw the road map, trust me).

The Khan has been chilling with the Warp Spider Phoenix Lord under like a staircase in the Webways. It was totally a "Just one hit, and then I gotta go" situation (Go watch the movie PCU). And then 10000 years go by and the Khan bursts back into reality in a puff of smoke (literally) and is like "Sh!t *cough* *cough*, What’s going on guys??"

And then the Eldar players will get new Warp Spider models or something.

Accurate and true.

I imagine money will be the deciding factor in this opinion, but do we need any more primarchs coming back? I feel like four traitor primarchs and two loyalist primarchs is a comfortable number. This isn't the Horus Heresy game!

Space Wolves have a wider model range. Therefore Russ.

Okay, I may or may not work for GW, or merely shine shoes, but...