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Hey folks - spent some time looking for an illustrated version online and couldn't find a copy, so have taken it upon myself to scan from the original Space Hulk expansion rulebook. Originally printed in 1990, I hope this is OK to post - I had asked on the forum but not received a negative, so am going to take that it's OK. I hope it is allowed to remain, as I think it's the single best piece of short fiction ever set in GW's 40k universe. The story re-appeared in the Deathwing anthology several times over the years, and I know from the amount of times you see bits of the artwork in people's profile pictures a good number of long-term fans think likewise. A few elements are a little dated now as the universe was still being fleshed out at that time, with Bill King amongst others being the pioneers (I'm not entirely sure if it was every fully retconned, or we ever had another explanation for the Deathwing's white armour) but I think Bill's words, and the beautiful accompanying illustrations by Kevin Walker, Paul Bonner and Jes Goodwin still make it as powerful a story as it was thirty years ago.

Anyway, without further ado:







































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Thanks for sharing. Thats a good one indeed

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I don’t think any of the Native American influence still exists in the dark angles
   
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mrFickle wrote:
I don’t think any of the Native American influence still exists in the dark angles

...do you ever tire of being wrong?

Is the Deathwing still in bone-coloured armour? Yes, and that was instigated following the incident in the story above.

Does the current Deathwing Terminator kit (and Belieal, for that matter) still feature features attached to weapons/armour? Yes, and that ties back to this story.

Was there a wider Native American influence on the Dark Angels, at least since 2nd edition? No.

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Thx for sharing

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Awesome, thanks for posting the story!
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
I don’t think any of the Native American influence still exists in the dark angles

...do you ever tire of being wrong?

Is the Deathwing still in bone-coloured armour? Yes, and that was instigated following the incident in the story above.

Does the current Deathwing Terminator kit (and Belieal, for that matter) still feature features attached to weapons/armour? Yes, and that ties back to this story.

Was there a wider Native American influence on the Dark Angels, at least since 2nd edition? No.


Was it written by Native Americans? If not then it'd probably be safer to call it inspiration, but even that would raise a flag for the cultural appropriation scouts. Just sayin that's probably why it's under the radar, but do enlighten.

   
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 Dysartes wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
I don’t think any of the Native American influence still exists in the dark angles

...do you ever tire of being wrong?
.


No.

But also I don’t think this story is canon by a long shot. I thought they had got rid of the little trinkets like feathers from the models but fair enough if not. But I don’t think this story speak any truth to the current dark angels back story
   
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mrFickle wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
I don’t think any of the Native American influence still exists in the dark angles

...do you ever tire of being wrong?
.


No.

But also I don’t think this story is canon by a long shot. I thought they had got rid of the little trinkets like feathers from the models but fair enough if not. But I don’t think this story speak any truth to the current dark angels back story


Especially as the HH portrays the DA almost as questing knights. Their world being feudal.

Even through 2nd ed the feathers always seemed an odd addition without overt Indigenous American lore continued.

Its still a cool story.

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Yes I just posted as it was such a cool story, and seems amazing these days that there was so much artwork produced just for it. Probably more original artwork in that relatively small rules pamphlet than there is in 300 pages of the latest HH rulebook!

As for canonicity, I believe there was a foreword added to the start of a later publishing about stories being 'lost in time' and it not being possible to know what is true and what is not. So, they kind of cover themselves, and if you are a fan you can choose to believe it, or completely ignore it!

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 Dysartes wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
I don’t think any of the Native American influence still exists in the dark angles

...do you ever tire of being wrong?

Is the Deathwing still in bone-coloured armour? Yes, and that was instigated following the incident in the story above.

Does the current Deathwing Terminator kit (and Belieal, for that matter) still feature features attached to weapons/armour? Yes, and that ties back to this story.

Was there a wider Native American influence on the Dark Angels, at least since 2nd edition? No.


I this got me thinking, how much is this influence still here, so I went amen looked. There’s only one shoulder pad with a couple of feathers on in the death wing kit and helical has a feather on his gun strap. That’s it, 2 pieces with feathers. On the old metal ones most models had feathers. And they no longer explain the white armour in the fluff either (that I can find in current codex). It does seem they are stepping back from this fluff, probably to avoid accusations of cultural appropriation. It surprised me because I thought the death wing models were covered in feathers.
   
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I am right in thinking that Deathwing in HH are not in bone armour, aren't I?

Seems odd not to explain the change anywhere - I checked the 8th ed 'dex earlier, and there's no reference on the Deathwing page to why the armour is a different colour to the "Greenwing".

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
I am right in thinking that Deathwing in HH are not in bone armour, aren't I?


FW wrote:Most famous among their ranks are those that have taken a death-blow meant for their charge and survived - such warriors are granted the right to wear bone-white armour in recognition of their selfless devotion.




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Lexicanum wrote:The unique all bone white colour scheme was later adopted as a mark of remembrance for a lone squad of Dark Angel Terminators who freed a recruitment world from a Genestealer infestation and slew a Broodlord that had terrorized the Galaxy.[4] As they did not expect to survive such a confrontation, they painted their armour white in preparation for their deaths. In the end the Deathwing triumphed and a vital part of the Dark Angels' heritage was saved.[2]

2: Deathwing (Short Story)
4: Codex: Dark Angels (6th Edition), pgs. 30–31

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Andykp wrote:

I this got me thinking, how much is this influence still here, so I went amen looked. There’s only one shoulder pad with a couple of feathers on in the death wing kit and helical has a feather on his gun strap. That’s it, 2 pieces with feathers. On the old metal ones most models had feathers. And they no longer explain the white armour in the fluff either (that I can find in current codex). It does seem they are stepping back from this fluff, probably to avoid accusations of cultural appropriation. It surprised me because I thought the death wing models were covered in feathers.

Interesting. I went back and looked at the older Dark Angels upgrade sprue (dated 2006 on the sprue). Remember only parts of the sprue were terminator bits. The assault cannon, the little heraldric shield, the shoulder pad, and the power sword arm all had a feather.

(And thanks to Pacific for sharing this great bit of old lore.)
   
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NVM

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 Pacific wrote:
As for canonicity, I believe there was a foreword added to the start of a later publishing about stories being 'lost in time' and it not being possible to know what is true and what is not. So, they kind of cover themselves, and if you are a fan you can choose to believe it, or completely ignore it!


Of course, and now it -could- be said they were just Teutonically inspired all along if anyone's asking.

   
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 Fugazi wrote:
Andykp wrote:

I this got me thinking, how much is this influence still here, so I went amen looked. There’s only one shoulder pad with a couple of feathers on in the death wing kit and helical has a feather on his gun strap. That’s it, 2 pieces with feathers. On the old metal ones most models had feathers. And they no longer explain the white armour in the fluff either (that I can find in current codex). It does seem they are stepping back from this fluff, probably to avoid accusations of cultural appropriation. It surprised me because I thought the death wing models were covered in feathers.

Interesting. I went back and looked at the older Dark Angels upgrade sprue (dated 2006 on the sprue). Remember only parts of the sprue were terminator bits. The assault cannon, the little heraldric shield, the shoulder pad, and the power sword arm all had a feather.

(And thanks to Pacific for sharing this great bit of old lore.)


That’s the time I was last collecting dark angels and I remember feathers all over the place and I expected the theme still to be going string but it seems to have been toned down a lot since. And the same with the bone armour fluff. Seems to have been dropped at a similar time.


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And seconding the thanks for the share. Old stories are always welcome.

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Love that story - that, and the Emperor/Horus showdown in Lost and the Damned, were my first experience of 40k lore beyond 'these are Blood Angels, they board space hulks and shoot genestealers (not very well)'. Still got the old manuals, but thanks for the scans, great to have a nice crisp file version.

   
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mrFickle wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
I don’t think any of the Native American influence still exists in the dark angles

...do you ever tire of being wrong?
.


No.

But also I don’t think this story is canon by a long shot. I thought they had got rid of the little trinkets like feathers from the models but fair enough if not. But I don’t think this story speak any truth to the current dark angels back story


It does and doesn't. The codex only a couple of editions ago namechecks The Tale Of Two Heads Talking not as necessarily canon Dark angels History but as a story the Dark Angels recruits are told if they ask "why do the deathwing wear bone armour?"

Apparently it and other stories like it are told to them as aspirants and scouts.
They all have a common theme - dark angels heroes come 'home', find 'home' corrupted by outside influence and have to fight to hunt down those responsible.

It's the chapter's way of seeing how you react to stories vaguely reminiscent of the fall of caliban and priming you much, much later in your career to hear about the fallen angels.


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I thought that around 3rd or 4th they had retconned "The Tale Of Two Heads Talking" as being about just one of the DA recruiting planets having Amerindian influence.

(The once and future prime influence of the DA being Arthurian myth.)
   
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I don't know the lore, supposedly people make the associations with Arthurian legend, though they look like Teutonic knights.

   
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 Emperors Grace wrote:
I thought that around 3rd or 4th they had retconned "The Tale Of Two Heads Talking" as being about just one of the DA recruiting planets having Amerindian influence.

(The once and future prime influence of the DA being Arthurian myth.)


It really has to go into the legend’s category. Whether it’s stories shared in the 40K universe to keep the legend of astartes alive and make people think they really would care about them or in the real world where the lore has moved on. There are so many contradictions with modern lore I think. I’m sure the DA are one of the chapters that lose their connection with their home worlds as they are recruited at a young age and psycho indoctrination erases their past. They also have a total disregard for imperial citizens unless protecting them meets their agenda
   
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Found something related

There is a cover to White Dwarf that uses this artwork. I can't remember the number but in my homeroom class in senior year 2001, a few weeks before graduation, a fellow student surprised me with a few old white dwarf mags that he had acquired at some point. That issue was among them.

Looking at the totems... I'm shocked at how identical my head canon for the II Legion is to this older lore.
I kinda feel a bit deflated. I thought I had something a bit original going on.

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 Adeptekon wrote:
I don't know the lore, supposedly people make the associations with Arthurian legend, though they look like Teutonic knights.


There are of course parallels, like the imagery of the 'Sleeping King'/'Once and future King' that shall return in the future, the Son/ First Knight turning on the Father/ King, the King not truely dying after that treason but being spirited away to some sort of nether realm by otherworldly forces, the fact that the King collected a group of Knights to stand against the Dark Ages and safeguard the populace etc. These are all somewhat staples of the genre and could easily relate to e.g. the Chanson de Geste, the Chanson of Roland, Siegfried, the stories about Kaiser Barbarossa etc., but of course the Arthurian myths are the most famous ones, and the ones that british writers and readers would be most familiar with.
   
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Tsagualsa wrote:
 Adeptekon wrote:
I don't know the lore, supposedly people make the associations with Arthurian legend, though they look like Teutonic knights.


There are of course parallels, like the imagery of the 'Sleeping King'/'Once and future King' that shall return in the future, the Son/ First Knight turning on the Father/ King, the King not truely dying after that treason but being spirited away to some sort of nether realm by otherworldly forces, the fact that the King collected a group of Knights to stand against the Dark Ages and safeguard the populace etc. These are all somewhat staples of the genre and could easily relate to e.g. the Chanson de Geste, the Chanson of Roland, Siegfried, the stories about Kaiser Barbarossa etc., but of course the Arthurian myths are the most famous ones, and the ones that british writers and readers would be most familiar with.


Let's not forget the fact that the Dark Angels Chapter Master and Company Masters wield swords literally pulled from the stone(the Black Swords forged from the core of their homeworld).

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Uptonius wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Found something related

There is a cover to White Dwarf that uses this artwork. I can't remember the number but in my homeroom class in senior year 2001, a few weeks before graduation, a fellow student surprised me with a few old white dwarf mags that he had acquired at some point. That issue was among them.

Looking at the totems... I'm shocked at how identical my head canon for the II Legion is to this older lore.
I kinda feel a bit deflated. I thought I had something a bit original going on.


One of the things I always keep in mind about 40K lore is the saying that “it’s all canon, but it’s not all true.”

We are dealing with 10’000 years of shrouded history, of a totalitarian state that would have no compunction in altering the history books. With what we’ve seen of the Dark Angels in the last 20-30 years of lore, who’s to say that this old lore doesn’t pertain to the missing 2nd legion, and this old stuff is just historical texts that didn’t get altered properly, or just mistook the second legion for the first.

So basically don’t feel bad that this lore conflicts with yours. That’s kind of how the setting should be.

 
   
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Brilliant stuff. Thanks for posting, I missed this the first time around

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Love that story, I bought an omnibus just for it, but was not aware it had artwork tied to it. Cheers.

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