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2023/04/07 07:29:25
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hey,
Help a noob out! Thanks.
I'm starting a WH40K army and bought the Horus Heresy Contemptor Dreadnought. I couldn't find a 40K version so assumed they were the same.
The data-sheet lists:
- combi-bolter
- kheres-pattern assault cannon
- multi-melta
- dreadnought combat weapon
However, the model comes with:
- Gravis autocannon
- Gravis Plasma Canoon
- Conversion Beam Cannon
- Gravis Melta Cannon
- Volkite dual-culverin
- Gravis Bolt Cannon
- Gravis LasCannon
- Kheres Assault Cannon
- Havoc Launcher
What's going on here? Is the Gravis Bolt Cannon the same thing as a Combi-Bolter? And the Gravis Melta Cannon the same as a multi-melta?
What about all the extra stuff? A Havoc Launcher? I can't find rules for that. I guess those extra things are specific to Horus Heresey game and not standard 40K?
Also - is the "dreadnought combat weapon" just the claw, or is the claw something else?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/04/07 07:32:01
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2023/04/07 08:06:10
Subject: Re:Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Not a 40k player anymore. But I believe the 40k version works on a weapon pptions from the previous mono-pose contemptor. Which is a very neutered set of options compared to new kit.
The gravis bolt cannon is just the new heresy-era name for the twin-linked heavy bolter. Havoc launcher is the small optional auxillery weapon mounted on top of the dreadnought. The kit comes with two types of Dreadnought close combat weapons. The power fist (with you choice of fingers or claws) and the chain fist. You could probably use either if the profile doesnt differenciate.
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2023/04/07 08:37:30
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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The plastic instructions did not exist when the 9th edition datasheet got written.
Essentially there is no 9th edition dreadnought anymore. But there is a very similar 30k dreadnought with very similar weapons that makes a very good proxy. (This was a joke.) But for now the instructions are written for the 30k version.
Further you are looking at the custodian datasheet. The space marines 9th edition dreadnought has much more options. (But it is very bad.)
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/04/07 08:38:40
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2023/04/07 09:31:54
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Relic contemptor for rupesi In 40k
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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2023/04/07 10:48:41
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Magnets are your friend. 4x1mm fit into the arms like they were designed for it.
I think the full rules for the 30k version in 40k are for the relic contemptor, in one of the imperial armor books.
I suspect when 10th drops this summer, we will see more options on the normal 40k sheet. Would be nice to have NMNR work for us for once.
Gravis is a 30k term, basically for twin mounts on dreads.
Some 40k chaos still uses havoc launchers I think. I’m a loyalist, so not 100% on that.
I think 30k differentiates between a claw and a fist on a dread. I know they do for the new brutalis dread in 40k. But I don’t think the 40k contemptor makes a distinction.
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2023/04/07 14:32:33
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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It’s mostly the same stuff between 30k and 40k, but there names are a bit different for some reason:
- Gravis autocannon = autocannon in 40k
- Gravis Plasma Canoon = plasma cannon in 40k
- Conversion Beam Cannon = I think this is 30k only
- Gravis Melta Cannon = multimelta in 40k
- Volkite dual-culverin = 30k only
- Gravis Bolt Cannon = twin heavy bolter in 40k
- Gravis LasCannon = twin lascannon in 40k
- Kheres Assault Cannon = assault cannon in 40k
- Havoc Launcher = 30k only, this is an additional weapon mounted on the top of the dread
There heresy names tend to be a bit more specific; in 30k it might distinguish between a dreadnough claw or a fist, but in 40k it doesn’t matter what you choose - they’re all dreadnought combat weapons.
The combi-bolter is mounted inside the hand of the combat weapon. From memory, you can also mount a melta gun from the options in the box.
…So your dreadnought will have: 1 arm with a big gun on it, and 1 arm with a fist of some kind with a small combi bolter inside of it
As others have said, if you are using the Custodes data sheet, the options are really restricted, so you don’t have the rules for everything in the kits.
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2023/04/07 14:42:57
Subject: Re:Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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There are 2 40K datasheets for the Contemptor. The one in the Codex is intended for the ( OOP) monopose plastic Contemptor which only came with an Assault Cannon or Multi-melta. There's another one in the FW Imperial Armour Compendium which has all the options available to it.
The new edition of 30k renamed a lot of the twin-linked weapons as Gravis.
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2023/04/08 03:10:34
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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shmvo wrote:
There heresy names tend to be a bit more specific; in 30k it might distinguish between a dreadnough claw or a fist, but in 40k it doesn’t matter what you choose - they’re all dreadnought combat weapons.
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Chainfist has better ap and damage. Espacially vs vehicles flat 6
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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2023/04/09 07:37:24
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'd sure love to see the 40k 10th edition rules include the auto cannon, plasma, lascannon, and if we're luck, call the havoc launcher a cyclone missile launcher. Custodes with lascannon and cyclone would help us with our lack of ranged anti tank.
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2023/04/10 08:29:19
Subject: Newb - Contemptor Dreadnought - weapons don't match data-sheet?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Marines in 40k get all that for the dreadnought
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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