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StarFyre wrote:Hello Folks,


* there was a bit of rubber stuck in that air bubble gap. wasn't easy to remove it...it kept elastically springing back (had to use 2 sharp knife blades as chop sticks to remove it)

Thank you sir, for your rigorous post.

I notice this part of your posting - as someone somewhat, er, familiar with both resin and vulcanized rubber casting, this means that the mold used to make this carnosaur degenerated slightly during casting. This in turn means that every casting after yours will be deformed in that exact spot.

This is exactly what I see in my more challenging molds, which typically degenerate in a few dozen castings. Unless their QA is spending a few minutes on every single casting, they will never know when a mold has broken in this manner.

Heh, my Heirophant had gakloads of rubber stuck in the details in the ribs. I guess the next Hierophant torso from that would have no rib details? Feel sorry for that guy.

^I thought that exactly when reading about the rubber.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Because GW are a corrupt company who have nothing but contempt for their fans. With any luck, and when all is said and done, this 'Finecost' nonsense will be just another turn on their slow death spiral.

Ive long found HBMCs posts to be bizarre warped ramblings, but this one takes the cake.

You WANT GW to disapear?

I don't, I like 40k, but for the life of me I cannot understand why you post on a website devoted to GW If you have such a distaste for the company, and your sigs are all ridiculous as well, your like some sort of battered wife who constantly slags off her abusive husband, but just cant bring herself to leave him.

Here's the thing as I see it.

I love 40k, love WHFB, LOVE BFG, love Necromunda, love Epic, love Mordheim, love Black Library books (lets have a few more non-SM centric novels folks), loved WHFRP, loved Dark Future, love most of the Citadel Miniatures, love Forgeworld. (love lamp... )

But I despise the company that owns them now, what it has become, what it thinks of it's self and most importantly what it thinks of us. Because I remember when it was not as it is now and have watched it become this paradox, constantly touting The Hobby louder and louder and at the same time becoming less and less about the hobby and far more about trying to be Wayland Yutani when in fact it's just the biggest fish in one of the smallest ponds in the world.

This frustration leads me and perhaps HBMC and others to finally be convinced that GW should fall now. That it should somehow end up shut down and a more enlightened company buy up it's IP and treat it with more care (and learn a lesson about pricing its self to death...). The likelihood of that is remote, but the current situation is frustrating and disappointing to those of us who do love the fluff but hate the corporation.

Something to be remembered whilst the arguments between the Haters and Apologists wage on this forum and others, is that many of us Haters still verymuch love the games and background and minis, we're just angry with the way the company is behaving.

Just in case anyone missed this fine post, I think it hits the nail on the head for how many of us feel.

Well said

Ya, i was so confused as to what that pink thing was. When it popped back and i realized it was stuck there, I realized the mold must be rubber and thus, I have a part of the mold *yay me!*

I find this very mixed overall, although my review was a bit more positive. (as i said, for larger monsters that don't have super fine detail such as humanoid faces, i think plesin is good,even with the current quality of molds GW made, but as models, all sizes, get more and more detailed, they have to prove that they can have a 95% good rate with each model). Someone said they opened 6 boxes of a model and all were bad, but they selected the least affected of them).

I order a lot more FW than I do normal GW stuff, and with 1 exception (that fw sent me a free replacement), none of their models were that bad. flash/mold lines, sure, but never hurting any of the fine detail, so it doesn't bother me.

But the air bubbles people have where it gets rid of sections of a models' feet, or gun, etc. THAT i think unacceptable.

THe store manager wanted me to open the carnosaur in the store to show people so I did, but I told them if the mold is bad, I want a refund. No idea if they would have. hehe
Luckily, the carnosaur was great in comparison to what others have been getting.

Sanjay

Do the models seem to look rough to anyone else?
They all seem to have a sort of frayed edge to them.

If the molds are breaking down already, I'm shocked. How can they hold a straight face when they pretend these models are worth more?

Thorgut wrote:Do the models seem to look rough to anyone else?
They all seem to have a sort of frayed edge to them.

If the molds are breaking down already, I'm shocked. How can they hold a straight face when they pretend these models are worth more?

The problem is that resin attacks silicone, breaking it down and bonding to it. Especially if they aren't using mold release, which appears to be the case (mold rleease doesn't prevent this process, but just slows it down). That's why we are seeing models with mold material stuck to them, and developing that rough texture on edges and open surfaces.

Very thorough review.

I am interested in your comments that the material is soft to work with. I am worried myself that it may be too soft and flexible for some kinds of work. There will certainly be a learning curve to start with as with any new material.

Hasslefree recently did a clear resin model of Major Tomoko. This model but in clear...



They were able to get only 25-30 castings out of the mould before the breakdown process reduced the clarity to an unacceptably low level through surface micro pitting.

The GW resin is softer and probably kinder on the moulds, however it still has an effect as we have seen from the examples of people with mould rubber on their castings.

a website devoted to GW

Except IT'S NOT. Dakka Dakka is not devoted solely to GW or any company and it's games.

I have to believe GW knew this would happen... and will frequently replace molds?

First impressions, from my blog:


If you believe GW in this month's WD (which I think is pretty decent), today marks a day in wargaming history akin to Man landing on the moon.

Now....I don't know if I'd go THAT far. But you know what, I do agree with them to some extent. I do think that the launch of Finecast marks the beginning of a new era for Games Workshop players and hobbyists. Resin isn't new, nor will this hugely affect the hundreds of other awesome wargames that people enjoy everywhere. But for those of us who continue to soldier on with Warhammer and 40k - despite the crushing weight of increasing prices - this is a pretty big f'n deal!

I hate metal. Yes, I grew up with metal miniatures. No, I'm not so sentimental as to cling to the notion that they are better than plastic or resin. They are

A pain to clean
A pain to see details on (pre-primer)
Prone to miscasts
A pain to assemble (the larger they get)
Heavy (more on this below)
More prone to edges and points having paint wear off
I dislike metal models so much now it's a big part of why I've kinda slipped out of the Privateer fold for now. Until they make the change over to more resin and plastic, I don't think I'll really go back.

I'm a huge fan of GW plastics and now their Finecast line. They are

Easy to clean
Easy to see details on
Easy to convert
Glue together super fast (in fact, the finecast will go together almost TOO fast)
Detailed and gorgeous
Light! (more on this below...)
Why does weight matter?  Basically, large and heavy metal models on their own aren't such a big deal. Yes they can get a bit tiresome while painting and yes they will fall really hard and usually break apart. But the main thing I dislike is the combined weight of a metal army makes carting the army around a bit more cumbersome and most importantly *REALLY* expensive to ship - after all, I sell most of my armies, and dont want the buyers to have to pay a huge fee for shipping. So this is awesome. Also, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but one reason I'm a little disappointed that Finecast came with a price increase is GW is probably going to save a HUGE amount of money on shipping now (both to stores and for mail order). This is going to cut their costs in that regard enormously, to say nothing of the smaller clam-packs.

So at the store today I picked up Draigo and the detail is just superb. Was there a fair bit of flash to clean? Yes. Mold lines to scrape off? Yep. But overall this "new" resin (which is non-toxic according to GW) cuts super easy, and therefore cleans up really easily too. I didnt bother washing it (I always wash other resin - like Spartan Games - or FW stuff, which is really bad with mold release) and honestly don't see a need to here.  It primed up as good as any other model I've ever painted.

I'm just incredibly impressed. These are beautiful, detailed models cast in a material that is feather light and super easy to work with and paint. The only thing I'm not loving is the price, and frankly I should just wear a T-shirt that says that every time I go to GW. It's a fact of life with the Warhammer hobby - GW charges a LOT.  Eventually they may even price me out of the hobby...but today isn't that day.

Well yesterday I went along to our local GW (kettering) and bought a couple of the new Citadel Finecast range box sets, I did a bit of a "whats in the box" review on my blog if anyone is interested in it.

http://40kbitz.blogspot.com/2011/05/hobby-news-citadel-finecast-first.html#more

There are pictures of all the sprues in each box set.

Ellis

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but is there a list of the contents and the ETA of the second wave of finecast models?

The price debate aside I must say I really like these new finecast models. Only bought my self a lord commissar yesterday but it's so easy to work with this new material. Just a shame I have so many unpainted metal figures waiting to be painted that will soon be replaced. Now we can only hope Forgeworld switches to the same type of resin..

I went in today, the draigo there from what I could see in the box looked fine.
Also the body of Astorath looked unbelievably crisp, but he was missing his nose.
Dante... the sprue with his body was ENTIRELY filled with flash and his axehead was bent back 30-40 degrees.
No way in the world I'd buy it.
The assembled Azhag in the store was missing a huge length of chain that had been miscast.

Other models had minor imperfections, enough that I'd be taking them back and asking for another/refund.

As other have pointed out, very poor form for a product pushed by GW as a leap forward in quality.

I spent about 5 hours at the local GW today to check out finecast and just generally hang out. From what I saw over about 2 dozen different models there very minor imperfections on a few of the models and the only major problems were 2 different blisters missing torso sections. (One was the ork on a dragon and I think the other was some SM character). I bought a Draigo and he looks extremely good. I haven't found any bubbles or miscasts looking over it so far and I looked pretty darn close.

The consensus seems to be that Finecast models are great, but that there are far too many that are NOT great because of casting issues that should never have left the factory.

Bit of an own goal on such a hyped release

There seems to be a huge problem with missing bits right now.

Some of these problems are most likely teething troubles due to the new process and having to ship huge amounts of product out in a short time.

I hope.

I think what I'm going to do is wait a while before buying anything, hopefully the big issues will have been sorted. And just thoroughly check the back of the blister before buying.

Kilkrazy wrote:Some of these problems are most likely teething troubles due to the new process and having to ship huge amounts of product out in a short time.

I hope.

I hope they have the issues ironed out by the Necron Release. I suspect I'll be waiting to buy anything before that.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:As other have pointed out, very poor form for a product pushed by GW as a leap forward in quality.

And at twice the price of our northern brethren no less...

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Also the body of Astorath looked unbelievably crisp, but he was missing his nose.

That explains why he´s always so grim.

If I played a game "Where´s your nose" with someone and it turned out I´d actualy loose my nose I´d be pissed too.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I went in today, the draigo there from what I could see in the box looked fine.
Also the body of Astorath looked unbelievably crisp, but he was missing his nose.
Dante... the sprue with his body was ENTIRELY filled with flash and his axehead was bent back 30-40 degrees.
No way in the world I'd buy it.
The assembled Azhag in the store was missing a huge length of chain that had been miscast.

Other models had minor imperfections, enough that I'd be taking them back and asking for another/refund.

As other have pointed out, very poor form for a product pushed by GW as a leap forward in quality.

Thanks for the review, i thought a mod would try to support GW, but really appreciate the honesty <3

There is no obligation for a moderator to support GW or any other company.

LunaHound wrote:Thanks for the review, i thought a mod would try to support GW, but really appreciate the honesty <3

Why would they?

Last time I checked mods were volunteers in a privately owned board that, while housing a good deal of GW players, was not GW exclusive or affiliated.
A mods job is to keep the atmosphere nice and civil, not to keep quit about their own opinions about certain things.

Gah, cheaper material and increased prices. This is ridicullous. Admittedly the additional detail looks pretty cool and no one will have the hassle of converting metal anymore, but why increased prices? WHY?!

I'm going to miss metal models.

My old LGS wasn't told anything about the 'Finecast' range from GW. All that happened was that he was finding that more and more items were "out of stock" when he was ordering from them and he started to think that they were blocking his orders for some reason (GW do pull the occasional stunt with their retailers).

Now he accepts that they were likely running down the metal stock for the change over. The GW rep didn't mention a thing about the resin stuff at all, the first he knew of the resin stuff was in the White Dwarf when delivered this week.

The hell? So much for GW keeping their own retailers in the loop.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Gah, cheaper material and increased prices. This is ridicullous. Admittedly the additional detail looks pretty cool and no one will have the hassle of converting metal anymore, but why increased prices? WHY?!

I'm going to miss metal models.

I dont think the price rise was based around the Fincast models and the materials used to make them, this was just the annual price rise the hobby has seen over the past few years, I think it was just a coincidence the price rise happend at the same time as the new release.

IMHO if GW had released these before the annual price rise, then they would not of got so much stick about the costs of finecast models, or held onto them until the price rise had happend.

Either way I think its just coincidence

Deeks2010 wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Gah, cheaper material and increased prices. This is ridicullous. Admittedly the additional detail looks pretty cool and no one will have the hassle of converting metal anymore, but why increased prices? WHY?!

I'm going to miss metal models.

I dont think the price rise was based around the Fincast models and the materials used to make them, this was just the annual price rise the hobby has seen over the past few years, I think it was just a coincidence the price rise happend at the same time as the new release.

IMHO if GW had released these before the annual price rise, then they would not of got so much stick about the costs of finecast models, or held onto them until the price rise had happend.

Either way I think its just coincidence

Then we shall see next summer , if GW will say the next price increase wasnt a consecutive increase, but due to finecast's release this year.