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That's weird. Why would you use the single shot if the 3 shot has the same rules but just one less ap???

So for the normal shuriken canon:
s6 ap-2 d1+d3mw x3
Or
s6 ap-3 d1+d3mw x1???


And then curtainfall is:
S7 ap-2 (?) D1 +d3mw x3
Or
S7 ap-3 d1 +d3mw x1
With 6s being ap-4

Is that right?

Strategem 1 - increase str by 1 and damage by d3
Strategem 2 - 1 hit is 2 hits, 6s is 3 hits...

All sounds quite good!

Even worth paying - 1 cp to take a DJ with this weapon in a single detachement. Because then it combos even further with the phantasm grenade launcher of the Shadowseer, a hemlock and morale.

You could do a buttload of very reliable mortal wounds like that.

I'll believe it when I see it in front of me. For starters I thought we were seeing AP-1 only, only on the shrieker round, and then an additional -2LD effect added on to the Shrieker round, and I thought Curtainfall was supposedly S7 AP-2 S7 AP-3 on the two profiles.

This claim that the shuriken also has the D3 mortal wound roll also seems far more likely to be the result of one person misreading the rule than it being actual fact. For starters, the way it's portrayed in the current rules, it'd be pretty easy to miss the

-

across from the Shuriken profile and instead only see

"If an Infantry model is slain by an attack made by this weapon, then its unit suffers D3 mortal wounds"

and think "This weapon = Shrieker Cannon" instead of "this weapon = Shrieker PROFILE"

the_scotsman wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it in front of me. For starters I thought we were seeing AP-1 only, only on the shrieker round, and then an additional -2LD effect added on to the Shrieker round, and I thought Curtainfall was supposedly S7 AP-2 S7 AP-3 on the two profiles.

This claim that the shuriken also has the D3 mortal wound roll also seems far more likely to be the result of one person misreading the rule than it being actual fact. For starters, the way it's portrayed in the current rules, it'd be pretty easy to miss the

-

across from the Shuriken profile and instead only see

"If an Infantry model is slain by an attack made by this weapon, then its unit suffers D3 mortal wounds"

and think "This weapon = Shrieker Cannon" instead of "this weapon = Shrieker PROFILE"

Totally agreed. And I'm assuming since this is from MWG, the person previewing the rule was Quirk. Sometimes his interpretations can be a little questionable...

That would also make sense from the other reviews and the previous iteration of the dj gun

Ah, Duncan. You are the best thing to happen to Games Workshop.

 Breotan wrote:
Ah, Duncan. You are the best thing to happen to Games Workshop.

I call BS. They teas us with mimes ant not put them in the codex. The same of it all.

So, near as I can tell we had power levels drop by 2 for the troupe, and one each for the death iester, bikes, and solitaire.

 Breotan wrote:
Ah, Duncan. You are the best thing to happen to Games Workshop.

GW isn't quite at arby's level of meme-ness but they are trying hard. Love it.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

GW isn't quite at arby's level of meme-ness but they are trying hard. Love it.

Clearly they need to start advertise their new models riding on top of Arby's sandwiches.

 LunarSol wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:

GW isn't quite at arby's level of meme-ness but they are trying hard. Love it.

Clearly they need to start advertise their new models riding on top of Arby's sandwiches.

Reminds me of the days when you could put as many orks as would fit in a trukk!

Oh, the old bucket wagon....

Breotan wrote:Ah, Duncan. You are the best thing to happen to Games Workshop.

I thought that was Mr Roundtree.

I have now got the codex, and I can confirm that only the shrieker profile of Curtainfall does D3 mortal wounds on the kill.

Thanks for that, I'd be a bit reluctant to field it if that weren't the case...

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:
I have now got the codex, and I can confirm that only the shrieker profile of Curtainfall does D3 mortal wounds on the kill.

Yes, but I am curious about one thing.

Unambiguously, Curtainfall deals out the -2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON (meaning, I assume, Curtainfall). So that would include Shrieker or Shuriken ammo. But in the normal Shrieker Cannon, that wording is identical, but oddly, only in the Shrieker ammo description.

it still says "-2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON" but it's within the Shrieker profile.

So, does that mean that a normal SC only causes -2LD with its Shrieker profile but Curtainfall deals -2LD with both?

the_scotsman wrote:

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:
I have now got the codex, and I can confirm that only the shrieker profile of Curtainfall does D3 mortal wounds on the kill.

Yes, but I am curious about one thing.

Unambiguously, Curtainfall deals out the -2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON (meaning, I assume, Curtainfall). So that would include Shrieker or Shuriken ammo. But in the normal Shrieker Cannon, that wording is identical, but oddly, only in the Shrieker ammo description.

it still says "-2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON" but it's within the Shrieker profile.

So, does that mean that a normal SC only causes -2LD with its Shrieker profile but Curtainfall deals -2LD with both?

Yeah, that's what it means - -2 on both Curtainfall modes, -2 just on shrieker mode for shrieker cannon.

Curtainfall makes the 45 pt death jester simply amazing, I think we'll be seeing a lot of people running separate detachments just to get the jester with curtainfall and to the stack the strats on him.

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:
I have now got the codex, and I can confirm that only the shrieker profile of Curtainfall does D3 mortal wounds on the kill.

Yes, but I am curious about one thing.

Unambiguously, Curtainfall deals out the -2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON (meaning, I assume, Curtainfall). So that would include Shrieker or Shuriken ammo. But in the normal Shrieker Cannon, that wording is identical, but oddly, only in the Shrieker ammo description.

it still says "-2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON" but it's within the Shrieker profile.

So, does that mean that a normal SC only causes -2LD with its Shrieker profile but Curtainfall deals -2LD with both?

Yeah, that's what it means - -2 on both Curtainfall modes, -2 just on shrieker mode for shrieker cannon.

That's what's written yes. But, as the_scotsman pointed out, the wording is the same as the normal shrieker cannon. I believe the -2Ld is only meant to apply to the shrieker profile, but without a FAQ you can play it as working with both profiles.

fresus wrote:

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:
I have now got the codex, and I can confirm that only the shrieker profile of Curtainfall does D3 mortal wounds on the kill.

Yes, but I am curious about one thing.

Unambiguously, Curtainfall deals out the -2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON (meaning, I assume, Curtainfall). So that would include Shrieker or Shuriken ammo. But in the normal Shrieker Cannon, that wording is identical, but oddly, only in the Shrieker ammo description.

it still says "-2LD if any casualties are caused by THIS WEAPON" but it's within the Shrieker profile.

So, does that mean that a normal SC only causes -2LD with its Shrieker profile but Curtainfall deals -2LD with both?

Yeah, that's what it means - -2 on both Curtainfall modes, -2 just on shrieker mode for shrieker cannon.

That's what's written yes. But, as the_scotsman pointed out, the wording is the same as the normal shrieker cannon. I believe the -2Ld is only meant to apply to the shrieker profile, but without a FAQ you can play it as working with both profiles.

I agree with you, but a part of me is thinking about how a scary killer clown shooting a great big relic weapon is enough to do -2 Ld whether he shoots at you or not

I sent the question to the FAQ email, hopefully they didn't mess up with the rule writing, and the -2 Ld on every mode is really intended.

fresus wrote:
I sent the question to the FAQ email, hopefully they didn't mess up with the rule writing, and the -2 Ld on every mode is really intended.

Incidentally, what is the FAQ email? Thanks.

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:
Incidentally, what is the FAQ email? Thanks.

40KFAQ@gwplc.com (from WarCom: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/15/the-future-of-faqs-and-chapter-approved-dec-15gw-homepage-post-2/)

fresus wrote:

Unnamed Harlequin wrote:
Incidentally, what is the FAQ email? Thanks.

40KFAQ@gwplc.com (from WarCom: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/15/the-future-of-faqs-and-chapter-approved-dec-15gw-homepage-post-2/)

Thank you!

What sucks is that GW used the wording "this weapon" extremely ambiguously.

The rules for the weapon say "Shrieker Cannon - Choose one of the profiles below".

Immediately below that it says "Wound rolls of six with THIS WEAPON are resolved at AP-3".

So as of right now, "this weapon" is "Shrieker Cannon"?

But under the Shrieker profile, it says "yadda yadda killed by THIS WEAPON take D3 mortal wounds and -2LD". So "This Weapon" Is now "Shrieker Cannon - Shrieker Mode"?

Except that in the text of Curtainfall, it says "This weapon's -2LD is not cumulative with the -2LD caused by a Shrieker Cannon"...which implies that the regular cannon's "This Weapon" is actually "Shrieker Cannon".

To make matters even MORE worse, the wording of Curtainfall implies that the -2LD and D3 mortals from the Shrieker Cannon - Shrieker profile are not IN AND OF THEMSELVES cumulative! If you just read the cannon rules, where it says "If an Infantry model is slain by THIS WEAPON, D3 mortal wounds, If any model is slain by THIS WEAPON, -2LD to the unit" you'd think that "THIS WEAPON" is singular, meaning "This one particular shrieker cannon." So if you fired the Shrieker from ANOTHER death jester at the same unit, you could cause more mortal wounds, and more -2LDs.

But apparently, according to the Curtainfall rules, the effects are not cumulative. THIS WEAPON means ALL SHRIEKER CANNONS IN EXISTENCE.

They could have fixed all of this at any time by just being *very slightly* more specific, maybe saying "if an infantry model has been slain by any Shrieker Cannons using this profile" but instead they decided "you know what? We're going to use the exact same wording FOR EVERYTHING and just hope that works out for people."

I've submitted feedback for the neuro disruptor by email to the faq team, hopefully something can be done about it. Who knows, I'd like to see how GW handle feedback now, maybe there's some hope they'll change it?

The Codex Deathwatch FAQ is now LIVE.

Cool. Weird it goes so far out of its way to prevent Storm Bolter/Thunder Hammer on the Terminator captian, but overall good changes.

Shame the Blackstar didn't get a little bump. I think they actually might have made it worse. :(

Aren73 wrote:
I've submitted feedback for the neuro disruptor by email to the faq team, hopefully something can be done about it. Who knows, I'd like to see how GW handle feedback now, maybe there's some hope they'll change it?

I don't have my book yet, what is wrong with it?

 Togusa wrote:

Aren73 wrote:
I've submitted feedback for the neuro disruptor by email to the faq team, hopefully something can be done about it. Who knows, I'd like to see how GW handle feedback now, maybe there's some hope they'll change it?

I don't have my book yet, what is wrong with it?

Other than the obvious fact that a braindead chimp could look at

9 points: Pistol 6", S8, AP-4, D6 damage, within half-range roll 2 take highest for damage
10 points: Pistol 12", S4, AP-3, D3 damage, damage is 1 vs vehicles

and realize "wait, something is very silly here..."