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 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Well, those look pretty cool. I'm not really interested in the game because the rules don't sound good, but this may be the thing that gets me to buy some of the models.

The rules are fantastic. Probably my all around favorite system at the moment. What doesn't sound good?

I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.

It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.

Only thing annoying me about the trailer...well...things...

First, Venom and Carnage on the same 'side'? Nope. Never going to happen. Both utterly hate eachother to the point that Venom teams up with Spidey, not the other way round. (Which I suppose is why Venom's rules are so flexible and let him be fielded as a hero as well).

Second - damn shame Carnage and the Lizard are stuck in boxes with Mysterio and Kraven. Damn shame.

The poses...eh, I don't mind. Explosion spidey seems a bit off but the worse is straight up Black Cat. The paintjob on her face that makes her look like a dead fish isn't helping either. It's just such an off pose - we get it, you want her to be acrobatic...ok then, have her the other way round like a cat, not a Black Cat lovedoll that's gotten caught in Spidey's explosive flatulence blastwave and is being blown back from it...

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Only thing annoying me about the trailer...well...things...

First, Venom and Carnage on the same 'side'? Nope. Never going to happen. Both utterly hate eachother to the point that Venom teams up with Spidey, not the other way round. (Which I suppose is why Venom's rules are so flexible and let him be fielded as a hero as well).

They've teamed up before in the comics in order to fight another Symbiote that spawned, Toxin if I remember right. So it's not entirely out of the question.

 Compel wrote:
I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.

It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.

The game isn't really balanced that way. You don't have a static lists but a roster of 10 that you build to different point totals based on the scenario. Having more granular points would make it a lot harder to swap characters in and out, as it would become more about what "fits" than what skills best fit the needs of the scenario.

There's definitely some stars and duds in the lineup, but nothing that would be improved with more granularity. Honestly, I think it would make it harder for a lot of models to see the table than anything. For the most part though, the requirements the leadership requirements have done a pretty great job of giving a lot of characters a spot in the game. At this point I own everything and despite there being a huge roster, there's only a few characters I see as really not having a place. Unfortunately, a few of them are big names like Iron Man, but on the whole, I find there's a lot more options than in games where points are used as the primary form of balance.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Well, those look pretty cool. I'm not really interested in the game because the rules don't sound good, but this may be the thing that gets me to buy some of the models.

The rules are fantastic. Probably my all around favorite system at the moment. What doesn't sound good?

I played two games and i was floored by how fun the system is, how characters can do so much per round, attack, throw, move even more super powers.
It is so fun,



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 LunarSol wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.

It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.

The game isn't really balanced that way. You don't have a static lists but a roster of 10 that you build to different point totals based on the scenario. Having more granular points would make it a lot harder to swap characters in and out, as it would become more about what "fits" than what skills best fit the needs of the scenario.

There's definitely some stars and duds in the lineup, but nothing that would be improved with more granularity. Honestly, I think it would make it harder for a lot of models to see the table than anything. For the most part though, the requirements the leadership requirements have done a pretty great job of giving a lot of characters a spot in the game. At this point I own everything and despite there being a huge roster, there's only a few characters I see as really not having a place. Unfortunately, a few of them are big names like Iron Man, but on the whole, I find there's a lot more options than in games where points are used as the primary form of balance.

Yup, the threat teirs are pretty good. you got yous various threats that do well in that slot, but do not inherantly means other of the same threat are bad

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
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They've teamed up before in the comics in order to fight another Symbiote that spawned, Toxin if I remember right. So it's not entirely out of the question.

That entire mini series is actually criticised a lot in the fandom because it has a huge number of glaring issues with it - mainly, Venom's chumming up with Carnage but also Black Cat acting like she had never seen a Symbiote before (completely ignoring, well, everything since the 80s).

It's one of those series/events that basically got swept quickly under the rug due to the inconsistencies - it went the same dead end speak not of it resting place as the plot line with Mary Jane dying of cancer due to Peter's radioactive Spider goo.

Minor annoyance but still.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
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They've teamed up before in the comics in order to fight another Symbiote that spawned, Toxin if I remember right. So it's not entirely out of the question.

That entire mini series is actually criticised a lot in the fandom because it has a huge number of glaring issues with it - mainly, Venom's chumming up with Carnage but also Black Cat acting like she had never seen a Symbiote before (completely ignoring, well, everything since the 80s).

It's one of those series/events that basically got swept quickly under the rug due to the inconsistencies - it went the same dead end speak not of it resting place as the plot line with Mary Jane dying of cancer due to Peter's radioactive Spider goo.

Minor annoyance but still.

Ugh that second one is certainly a plot I remember that quickly got swept away. Nobody wanted that sort of drama in the Spider-man series, nobody. The first I didn't remember much from the community about since it was.. well such a minor comic in the long run that I had to strain to remember it.

I wonder if there will be a Magik mini

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if there will be a Magik mini

I mean... sooner or later? Probably? She's been getting more attention in the comics lately than she normally has; its just a question of how long until they get through some of the big names like Gambit, Rogue, Archangel, Psylocke, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Dazzler, etc.

I mean Cassandra Nova is coming, i think anyone is one the table.........also a bishop tease
I just want Squirrel girl

 Compel wrote:
I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.

It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.

The missions outside the starter kit have a lot more variation in threat level, so what seems like a lack of granularity in the starter set (which is really a one-person starter, not a two-person starter) works quite well when you're trying to balance your roster. And they've done a great job (so far) maintaining character balance. My Defender's roster is full of expensive elites, for example, who punch above their weight but take up valuable space in the roster.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Only thing annoying me about the trailer...well...things...

First, Venom and Carnage on the same 'side'? Nope. Never going to happen. Both utterly hate eachother to the point that Venom teams up with Spidey, not the other way round. (Which I suppose is why Venom's rules are so flexible and let him be fielded as a hero as well).

Second - damn shame Carnage and the Lizard are stuck in boxes with Mysterio and Kraven. Damn shame.

The poses...eh, I don't mind. Explosion spidey seems a bit off but the worse is straight up Black Cat. The paintjob on her face that makes her look like a dead fish isn't helping either. It's just such an off pose - we get it, you want her to be acrobatic...ok then, have her the other way round like a cat, not a Black Cat lovedoll that's gotten caught in Spidey's explosive flatulence blastwave and is being blown back from it...

You never see Tzeentch and Nurgle cooperating, but that didn't stop people from running Mortarion and Magnus all through 8th.

You never see Tzeentch and Nurgle cooperating, but that didn't stop people from running Mortarion and Magnus all through 8th

They do - quite often - they just hate each other.

So,
There are currently 3 out of the 6 miniatures shown off for MCP for ministravaganza
I assume the next will will be Spiderman, that leaves 2.
Apartment terrain and another?
Or Warmachine and Falcon Captain America

Hmm, I've realised what might actually get me doing more than buying the odd piece to paint and actually playing.

Savage Avengers Affiliation thanks.

We currently have Black Widow, Doctor Strange, Punisher and Venom.

Just need to give us Conan of Cimmeria, Doctor Voodoo and Elektra,

I just bought this base game. I figure by the time I paint it all up and maybe get a few other characters my kids will be old enough to play.

So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however

It depends on your gameplan. If you're playing the control game regular Spidey is better. New Spidey doesn't have a way to move enemies outside of niche applications of his leadership. He's also 5 threat which is a pretty precious slot in roster building.

I will likely never play this game, but that Omega Red fig is an instant "Shut up and take my money already!" model.

 LunarSol wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however

It depends on your gameplan. If you're playing the control game regular Spidey is better. New Spidey doesn't have a way to move enemies outside of niche applications of his leadership. He's also 5 threat which is a pretty precious slot in roster building.

This is true, but to me who plays webwarriors, its the extra Leadership ability that closes the deal for me.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however

It depends on your gameplan. If you're playing the control game regular Spidey is better. New Spidey doesn't have a way to move enemies outside of niche applications of his leadership. He's also 5 threat which is a pretty precious slot in roster building.

This is true, but to me who plays webwarriors, its the extra Leadership ability that closes the deal for me.

Yeah, not being able to take both in the roster is a weird limitation. I think he's far more interesting as a swappable option.

I get why not on the same team on the battlefield, but its stupid thay cant be in the same roster.

Yeah, I'd agree. I'd be happy to see that change.

Luke Cage is up! Been waiting for him for a while, not disappointed. I just ran Okoye for the first time and having a 3 point alternative for larger games that also puts out a ton of hurt is awesome. Immunity to Bleed is also a nice touch, it might be because I only have one regular opponent but it seems like lots of builders have bleeds on wilds.

He's really solid. I'm disappointed he's not a second leader for Defenders, but I like him.

https://i.redd.it/z4ofhnsdjju61.jpg

New model up. Ms. Marvel.

A little static in the pose, but at least we're seeing even more models.

Surprised with all their dynamic posing they didn't go with the whole elongated limb thing.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Surprised with all their dynamic posing they didn't go with the whole elongated limb thing.

I bet she comes with a 2nd form!

I am also expecting her to come with another version (perhaps a giant form with elongated fist).

I missed it when it was posted but Atomic Mass showed off the sprues for the Apartment terrain last month. It's all double sided so offers a lot of variety and different heights of buildings are also possible. Some nice customisation bits as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeDfPtCfYb0