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 posermcbogus wrote:
Never seen the head on that IF sarge, either, and the proportions on the corvus armor (maybe distorted by the camera lense or something) look distinctly different from what we're used to.

If they're retroactively embiggening marines I'm fething out. Totally unnecessary, will look DREADFUL next to existing armies.

**leans back in rocking chair**
I was there the day they retired the RTB01 set.

I'm excited, but also not excited? The armor looks great, but I can't think of a HH army that I like that I could make with mostly MK 6 armor. Raven Guard don't appeal to me. But I should probably get it and not miss out like the other two sets.

I'm definitely getting some; I don't even play the games anymore, but after collecting two MkVI companies I'd love a 3rd.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm excited, but also not excited? The armor looks great, but I can't think of a HH army that I like that I could make with mostly MK 6 armor. Raven Guard don't appeal to me. But I should probably get it and not miss out like the other two sets.

Can you not just make any army you like with them?

Oh dear lord, my wallet. Looks amazing!

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm excited, but also not excited? The armor looks great, but I can't think of a HH army that I like that I could make with mostly MK 6 armor. Raven Guard don't appeal to me. But I should probably get it and not miss out like the other two sets.

Can you not just make any army you like with them?

I mean, the Sons of Horus look good in that scheme. But certain legions look better in certain armor marks. Like Death Guard, Space Wolves, IF, IW, etc look ace in Mark 2/3. Same with mark 4, 5, etc. But I don't recall any chapters that rock the MK 6 look, besides Raven Guard.


Wait, never mind. Alpha legion. Yeah, I'm sold

the beakies look as if they're standing straighter which will give them a bit of extra height compared to the old 'pooping' pose

wouldn't be surprised if there was a touch of embiggeing going on too, but there doesn't need to be

Definitely painting these up as Ultramarines. Between other 30k stuff and my 40k army I'll be able to play some great Scouring era games.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Interesting. The beakies don't quite seem to have the normal awkward minimarine proportions.

Yeah looks like there might be a bit of rescaling going on there with the beakies. I wonder if the Termies have been tweeked as well? Its hard to tell without clearer pictures.

I was just thinking the same thing that they look a bit taller/better proportioned. Not fully "truescaled" but better. I suppose it could just be because they're beakies which are supposed to be a bit more mobile/dextrous in the backstory (at least in the old FFG rpg).

What restartes should have been. I hope to be in a position to get one of these too.

How long before we see the alt contemptor loadout and spartan added to the SM codex?

Interesting, have to see what the price point for the box is, whether it's FOMO limited or not, etc.

But potentially I could see picking up a set or two of these to make 30k/40k force.

Hydra dominatus

If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

AL are awesome 30k force, very strong if you play to their advantages! Very strong alpha strike potential! Pity their special units are crap to mediocre at best.

Never noticed that mark 6 helmets have little lights/lenses on top of their helmet.

Also, one of the Sons of Horus marines has a nice aquila pendant hanging off his bolter. Maybe he had second thoughts about the whole Heresy

 Tamereth wrote:
If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

Plus 2 characters and 5 cataphractii.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

Plus 2 characters and 5 cataphractii.

Please stop with the good news, in the words of zapp branagan I can only get soo erect.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

Plus 2 characters and 5 cataphractii.

You guys realize the price point you’re probably looking at there, right? Even $300 would probably represent a savings. Spartan is a big model.

I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

A few places are now saying there're plastic Sicarans & Land Raiders (hopefully Proteus and not a MkIIb conversion sprue) on the way, so it's possible it's a wave with the big box and few other kits.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

Why would they include the Spartan in the pic though if it's not going to be part of the box?

I can easily see this being around $250 or more and something like the Contemptor and the Cataphractii just being "freebies". I think the intent with this box is to jumpstart Horus Heresy again as a game system, and this set(if it is a set) will easily give you a full starting army right out of the box. At the same time, there's more than enough new content to also appeal to veteran Heresy players.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

Why would they include the Spartan in the pic though if it's not going to be part of the box?

Because that's a basic sales technique?

Oh you like [item]? Well it looks even better/cooler/more useful with [other item], you'd better buy all of it....

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

The photography seems to be from the back of the box set, so I would imagine if its being shown in the photo, its probably included in the box unless theres a specific "not included" indicator there - the one that we can see says "scenery not included", and to my knowledge they don't display minis that are not included on the back of these boxes since it would open them up to false advertising lawsuits, etc. So smart money for now is on it being included.

You do however raise a good point that its a bizarrely mismatched set. Imperial Fists get:

10 Beakies
5 Cataphractii
a Hero
Spartan

Sons of Horus get:
20 Beakies
a Hero (Terminator, I think? Looks better than the Fist character)
Contemptor

Hard to say that these two sides are balanced or equal unless that Sons of Horus hero is Abaddon himself. The Spartan alone is worth more than most of the Sons of Horus side of the force and in terms of capability would easily slag most of the Sons minis singlehandedly.

EDIT - Mind you we can't see about 25% of the display, the bottom right hand corner is basically missing, and GW often sets these displays up with a 2-prong attack type thing going on, so entirely possible theres like a squad of Sons of Horus Jetbikes or a Landspeeder or something hanging out there.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

Why would they include the Spartan in the pic though if it's not going to be part of the box?

We are obviously not seeing the whole picture with this leak, both literally and figuratively. This could be a promo pic for the general Heresy (re)launch, and there is text about the Spartan being sold separately that has been missed out?

Either way, plastic Spartan

Someone else, possibly on reddit, pointed out that Calth and Prospero weren't necessarily matched as "equal" forces either.

Because that's a basic sales technique?

Oh you like [item]? Well it looks even better/cooler/more useful with [other item], you'd better buy all of it....

While this is a fair point, this looks very much like a product promo image and it feels like it would be weird for GW to show all of this off and then have the Spartan be a separate purchase on it's own. That leaves them open to a lot of "Wait, the tank isn't in the box? What do you mean I need to buy it separately?" issues from potential customers.

We are obviously not seeing the whole picture with this leak, both literally and figuratively. This could be a promo pic for the general Heresy (re)launch, and there is text about the Spartan being sold separately that has been missed out?

Either way, plastic Spartan

Absolutely. We're all really just speculating until Games Workshop puts up an article or lets us know exactly what it is. I feel sorry for whoever is in the office this weekend, I bet they're having to scramble to figure out what and when to post.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The photography seems to be from the back of the box set, so I would imagine if its being shown in the photo, its probably included in the box unless theres a specific "not included" indicator there - the one that we can see says "scenery not included", and to my knowledge they don't display minis that are not included on the back of these boxes since it would open them up to false advertising lawsuits, etc. So smart money for now is on it being included.

All GW boxes have "Contents may vary from those shown" or similar on them. The SoB Army Box had photos of the 'normal' multi-part Canoness on it rather than the actual ('limited') model that came in the box.

It was supposed to be MkII and bikes in the new box set!

MkII and bikes, Forgeworld. Didn't you hear what your fan base wanted?!

The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.

 Mr. Grey wrote:


Absolutely. We're all really just speculating until Games Workshop puts up an article or lets us know exactly what it is. I feel sorry for whoever is in the office this weekend, I bet they're having to scramble to figure out what and when to post.

I really don't want to seem like I'm hammering my point, so I'll just end by saying I agree on this - it's a lot of guessing based on a few photos. It's exciting news for sure but we can only just wait and see.

beast_gts wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The photography seems to be from the back of the box set, so I would imagine if its being shown in the photo, its probably included in the box unless theres a specific "not included" indicator there - the one that we can see says "scenery not included", and to my knowledge they don't display minis that are not included on the back of these boxes since it would open them up to false advertising lawsuits, etc. So smart money for now is on it being included.

All GW boxes have "Contents may vary from those shown" or similar on them. The SoB Army Box had photos of the 'normal' multi-part Canoness on it rather than the actual ('limited') model that came in the box.

"Contents may vary" isn't a "get out of jail" card to avoid false advertising, "contents may vary" means that the details on the miniatures themselves may vary from whats shown - typically because the minis being photographed are painted prototypes rather than the production miniatures. Its generally understood that "contents may vary" means that the disparity in value between the product photography and its actual contents is negligible - i.e. all the photographed components/objects are either included or substituted for something of approximately equivalent value and/or utility so long as it does not change the nature of the product being advertised or the perceived value estimation that results. If you were buying a piece of ikea furniture and the product photography indicated it came with like a metal screwdriver but it comes with a plastic screwdriver instead, the contents varied but it varied in a manner that was of equivalent utility as the screwdriver is a tool used in assembly and not the product itself - whereas if they photographed a metal shelf and when you opened the box it was wood instead then the product has more than "varied" as its an intrinsically different product.

In the case of your example, the SOB Army Box varied because the canoness was different from the one photographed, but the box still included a canoness regardless even if it was a different one and the contents of the box could still be said to have the same approximate value and it wasn't an intrinsically different product. You *could* take them to court over false advertising but the court would probably find that even though the canoness didn't match it was replaced by something of arguably equivalent value and utility even if it wasn't quite identical.

In this case, displaying an entire unit that isn't included in the box in the photography and not including it or an equivalent substitute is no longer "the contents varied" - its "you mislead the public into a false estimation of the value of the products contents through advertising which didn't accurately reflect the product they were actually purchasing".

Its honestly just daft to argue that they stuck whats probably an $80-100 item into what seems likely to be the back of the box contents photography for an upcoming product with no intent to include it.

 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.

Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.