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Deranged Necron Destroyer




Yeah I think he has some use as a counter charger. He hangs out with your troops, buffs them and helps to swat anything that gets too close.

Probably not going to see play on the top tables (depending on how 9th codex shakes out), but he's good enough for normal/semi comp play.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





So no faith for Ephrael, but she would benefit from sacred rites and a few stratagems.
Amusingly she is also a valid target for the Divine Intervention stratagem.

I question whether a sisters player would get any value out of her. Even with rites she'd be looking at 9+ on 2d6 to change from deepstrike and she does little for you backfield that another HQ wouldn't do better. The smite is all she offers.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




So Illuminor still relies on randumb for one unit per turn. fething excellent. Good to know he's still not worth a damn.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Fresh-Faced New User




While Ephrael can't be your warlord the wording still seems to allow for her to take a warlord trait via "heroine in the making" strat. Could give her the one that lets you reroll charge dice and wounds on the charge
   
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Bowie wrote:
While Ephrael can't be your warlord the wording still seems to allow for her to take a warlord trait via "heroine in the making" strat. Could give her the one that lets you reroll charge dice and wounds on the charge
Two rolls at 9+ (with the correct rites) on 2d6 to charge from deepstrike with a strictly average buff-less canoness.

Only makes me want a jump canoness more :(

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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps




A.T. wrote:
So no faith for Ephrael, but she would benefit from sacred rites and a few stratagems.
Amusingly she is also a valid target for the Divine Intervention stratagem.

I question whether a sisters player would get any value out of her. Even with rites she'd be looking at 9+ on 2d6 to change from deepstrike and she does little for you backfield that another HQ wouldn't do better. The smite is all she offers.


She's a randomly large pile of wounds with an additional saving throw buddy, and scoots around throwing Kamehamehas at people. Neither are entirely terrible at combat.

Really, they're Dragonball extras that want to mug small specialist units and be distracting.

The question is if no-risk auto-hit (but bad targeting) mortal wounds are worth 115 points?

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Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
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Hallowed Canoness





A.T. wrote:
So no faith for Ephrael, but she would benefit from sacred rites and a few stratagems.

No Shield of Faith, she won't be able to deny those famous cast-on-a-6 smites! Sad! Or maybe irrelevant ^^.
I'll try her, she seems fun!

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
No Shield of Faith, she won't be able to deny those famous cast-on-a-6 smites! Sad! Or maybe irrelevant ^^.
I'll try her, she seems fun!
Shield of faith isn't the problem, but with actual faith she would have been viable for a deepstrike charge... albeit instead of a zephrym squad.

Her deepstrike and her smite are the two things she has going for her, at least in a sisters army. The rest is available for half the cost on a regular HQ... at least until the 9e points lists come out.
   
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings






UK

Looks like you can still use the following strats on her:

Moment of Grace,
Heroine in the Making (likey to be faqed away)
Divine Intervention
Holy Rage
Suffer not the Witch
Purity of Faith
Judgement of the Faithful

I AM A MARINE PLAYER

"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction 
   
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Right behind you.

IanVanCheese wrote:
Yeah I think he has some use as a counter charger. He hangs out with your troops, buffs them and helps to swat anything that gets too close.

Probably not going to see play on the top tables (depending on how 9th codex shakes out), but he's good enough for normal/semi comp play.

Why the hell do we care about him "not going to see play on the top tables"?

How many people here on Dakka do you think even see top tables? This trash outlook on games needs to stop.
   
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Motley? Sylandri? who's the first harlequin model we get after their plastic relaunch in early 7th, 4-5 years ago?

Oh, it's "harlequin who is not actually a harlequin, who you can't field in a harlequin army."

Cool, cool, coolcoolcool.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Why the hell do we care about him "not going to see play on the top tables"?
"Not going to see play on the table top" is perhaps more suitable. Still a nice painting project.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Not being able to use miracle dice on Stern makes her pretty gimmicky and junky in a SoB army.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
Not being able to use miracle dice on Stern makes her pretty gimmicky and junky in a SoB army.


or any army - I think thats the point!

I will be getting her anyway.

I AM A MARINE PLAYER

"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




 Kanluwen wrote:
IanVanCheese wrote:
Yeah I think he has some use as a counter charger. He hangs out with your troops, buffs them and helps to swat anything that gets too close.

Probably not going to see play on the top tables (depending on how 9th codex shakes out), but he's good enough for normal/semi comp play.

Why the hell do we care about him "not going to see play on the top tables"?

How many people here on Dakka do you think even see top tables? This trash outlook on games needs to stop.

No, trash balancing and writing needs to stop.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Motley? Sylandri? who's the first harlequin model we get after their plastic relaunch in early 7th, 4-5 years ago?

Oh, it's "harlequin who is not actually a harlequin, who you can't field in a harlequin army."

Cool, cool, coolcoolcool.


I'm relieved he has a kiss after seeing how pretty underwhelming his blades are. I saw the kiss on the model's hip and actually thought it was an ornate laspistol which would have been cool (as they haven't had Las pistols since 2nd ed). A kiss makes him far more flexible, but I would have liked and Eldar profile for a laspistol.

As it is, it seems he's effectively a grenadier, shooting people at 6"...
   
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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

Join the Imperium!

Spoiler:

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Yeah it is a running joke by now how every piece of Xenos technology automatically becomes much better if a human touches it. Too bad Kyrganil couldn't cut off his ears and become human, if he did his Harlequin's Kiss would suddenly gain a point of strength, two points of AP, and flat 3 damage.

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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

Human potential, an estaple of nearly all RPG system! Warcraft loves to do it.

Best warriors? Orcs. Best warrior? An human!
Best wizards? Elves. Best wizard? An human!
Best priests? Draenei. Best priest? An human!
etc, etc...

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
Human potential, an estaple of nearly all RPG system! Warcraft loves to do it.

Best warriors? Orcs. Best warrior? An human!
Best wizards? Elves. Best wizard? An human!
Best priests? Draenei. Best priest? An human!
etc, etc...

To be fair, at least the Alliance loses more often than not in the lore. Fat load of good that Human Potential does when you're as Stupid Good as they come.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Join the Imperium!

Spoiler:


Absolutely valid complaint. The issue is caused by a lot of the Eldar tech being nerfed hard for the 3rd edition and mostly being left unaltered ever since.

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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

Yeah. As someone that has read and studied warcraft's lore more than any one mentally sane or with respect for his/her own time should, it was never good, at best mediocre, but it has passed the point of being worth a damm, many years ago.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Join the Imperium!

Spoiler:



Nice one.

It's pretty depressing. How are you supposed to encourage someone to play an army when they can expect to see GW simply steal it's abilities and give them to another colour of space marine?

'why should I want to play Eldar when I just have to wait for the psychic master chapter that buffs everyone?'

They aren't even hiding it. It's just blatantly imperium is the best, technological stagnation means better than everyone else. Xenos armies can't hope to be as good - but did we tell you how advanced and fast the Eldar are? More advanced and fast than the imperium. The imperium is still more advanced though because they're the best...

It's like 1984 newspeak...

it's not stupid, it's advanced...


Lol

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Confessor Of Sins




Voss wrote:
A.T. wrote:
So no faith for Ephrael, but she would benefit from sacred rites and a few stratagems.
Amusingly she is also a valid target for the Divine Intervention stratagem.

I question whether a sisters player would get any value out of her. Even with rites she'd be looking at 9+ on 2d6 to change from deepstrike and she does little for you backfield that another HQ wouldn't do better. The smite is all she offers.


She's a randomly large pile of wounds with an additional saving throw buddy, and scoots around throwing Kamehamehas at people. Neither are entirely terrible at combat.

Really, they're Dragonball extras that want to mug small specialist units and be distracting.

The question is if no-risk auto-hit (but bad targeting) mortal wounds are worth 115 points?


The answer is no. Both of them together are about 75pts worth of stats. As it stands you can get more, and more reliable, damage out of a unit of seraphim for 88 points.

2500pts
2500
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nvm, reference right there in the text.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Join the Imperium!

Spoiler:


Someone posted this on one of their recent FB posts and they responded.

"Breaking: Creators of one of the 4 Chaos Gods are jealous of Mankind"

I was stumped for a moment.


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It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
Hive Fleet Hercual - 6760pts
Hazaak Dynasty - 3400 pts
Seraphon - 4600pts
 
   
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I really like Stern and Kyganil. I was worried they'd be crazy expensive but they're in that sweet spot for me. I am happy she still has the AS keyword so some nice stratagems can be used on her.
   
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ShaneMarsh wrote:
I really like Stern and Kyganil. I was worried they'd be crazy expensive but they're in that sweet spot for me. I am happy she still has the AS keyword so some nice stratagems can be used on her.


It irritates me that we can't take her solo. Solo she'd be about 70-75 points which would be a much easier sell for her mortal wound shot. But no, simp elf dude has to constantly follow her around trying to sniff her feet.

2500pts
2500
3000


 
   
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 Carnikang wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Join the Imperium!

Spoiler:


Someone posted this on one of their recent FB posts and they responded.

"Breaking: Creators of one of the 4 Chaos Gods are jealous of Mankind"

I was stumped for a moment.



Yes an attempt at humour that just comes off as mocking disinterest. Clearly GW does not consider their customers equal despite never advertising that fact.

It's plain to me that unless you buy a space marine you're merely tolerated.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




ERJAK wrote:
ShaneMarsh wrote:
I really like Stern and Kyganil. I was worried they'd be crazy expensive but they're in that sweet spot for me. I am happy she still has the AS keyword so some nice stratagems can be used on her.


It irritates me that we can't take her solo. Solo she'd be about 70-75 points which would be a much easier sell for her mortal wound shot. But no, simp elf dude has to constantly follow her around trying to sniff her feet.

He's a 5+++ and extra wounds basically, all on top of about the same combat potential. If anything, there's no point in taking Stern by herself.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
 
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