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What do you guys think about this? The Rogal Dorn is a slightly odd looking model, even compared to the Russ, but it’s a much better kit and better proportioned. Do you think that, suitably modified, it could serve as some kind of long-lost variant of the Russ? Or perhaps a locally produced version, using (inferior) cast armour? It’s significantly bigger, so there doesn’t seem to be any in-game advantage. I really dislike the Russ itself, but modifying 2-3 of them into something more convincing will be a tedious job.

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Personally, I’d allow it as a straight proxy. Though I would counsel that it is notably larger than the Leman Russ chassis. So such a proxy is solely a disadvantage to your good self in terms of relative LoS etc.


   
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As far as modelling goes, do it if you want to. Forge worlds had different patterns although the Imperial army seemed to be much better at standardizing than the astartes.

Personally, I have a hard time with the model, but mostly because of it's nipple guns and obnoxious mantlet. No tank turret ever has had a mantlet HIGHER than the turret, to make it even more of a visible target. Change those two things and it looks so much better.

Andy Singleton did a super nice conversion addressing that.


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It's pretty tall compared to a Russ and is longer and wider. It sits in a cursed middle area that's too big for a Russ/Malcador but not quite big enough for a Macharius.
Personally, I'd be fine playing against it but I'd feel a bit dirty for getting what will be the easiest vehicle kills of my life.
   
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My group just wrote some rules for it and added it to Solar Aux and militia, I cannot quite remember all the rules but I think it was

14/13/12 BS3 MV12?
I also think they gave it an AP3 battlecannon but again I cannot quite remember, I will have a look tomorrow.
   
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 westiebestie wrote:
Personally, I have a hard time with the model, but mostly because of its nipple guns and obnoxious mantlet. No tank turret ever has had a mantlet HIGHER than the turret, to make it even more of a visible target. Change those two things and it looks so much better.


Agreed! The mantle is truly terrible. It should be a lower, slab-like shape more like a Tiger I. That’s the first thing I’d fix. Someone photoshopped one with a Baneblade mantlet, and it was a vast improvement.

 Gert wrote:
It's pretty tall compared to a Russ and is longer and wider. It sits in a cursed middle area that's too big for a Russ/Malcador but not quite big enough for a Macharius.
Personally, I'd be fine playing against it but I'd feel a bit dirty for getting what will be the easiest vehicle kills of my life.


As these Rogal Russes would be part of a Militia army, they wouldn’t be the only easy kills! The size thing is a problem, although I would ‘biggarise’ the Russ model anyway by widening the hull and turret so it looks a bit less ridiculous. If the Russ model looked like the FW Alpha Pattern it would be fine - they modified it to look both more archaic and more convincing, but I’m not buying a FW tank ever again.

I’ll think about it some more…

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If you want the Alpha/Ryza pattern but not the FW design there are alternatives.

This is a rather nice turret/mantlet w a lot of gun options and ready for magnets.
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/interstellar-army-lemoine-russel-tank-turrets

Many of the Alpha chassis rear parts are also available.

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 Snord wrote:
As these Rogal Russes would be part of a Militia army, they wouldn’t be the only easy kills! The size thing is a problem, although I would ‘biggarise’ the Russ model anyway by widening the hull and turret so it looks a bit less ridiculous. If the Russ model looked like the FW Alpha Pattern it would be fine - they modified it to look both more archaic and more convincing, but I’m not buying a FW tank ever again.

I’ll think about it some more…

Honestly, I'd take a look at third-party options unless you're playing in a GW location. There are a lot of alternate Russ models out there that fit the sort of idea you seem to be looking for.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Honestly, I'd take a look at third-party options unless you're playing in a GW location. There are a lot of alternate Russ models out there that fit the sort of idea you seem to be looking for.


Too late!

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In the realm of being a gracious player and anyone can run anything as anything else… sure

But in the reasonable use of models in a sub game that’s rather boutique and typically holds higher standards on modeling/painting/unit representation… no

This is a clearly different model of different proportions and loadout that represents something else in the game. If I was at a local Heresy event and there was a heated discussion between two players and I walked over and it was Player A refusing to let Player B put down a Dorn as a Russ, my annoyance would be with Player B. I’d ask Player B if this was his first Heresy event and if he had any other units with him of equivalent points and maybe give him a free pass just this once as he didn’t know better.

That’s probably not what you’d expect or hope, but at pretty much anything with even the slightest hint of being a formal event, the Horus Heresy game play has been a refuge for the gamers retreating from proxies and primed/unfinished models and “gotcha” combos. I’ve played and watched 30k games in 3 states, 6 zip codes and events as big and as small as they get… not even the pickup ones would have players being okay with what you’re saying. Some might allow it once, but they’d not like it. YMMV

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Yes, I understand that point of view. I feel the same way about (say) using unmodified Primaris models as Heresy-era Marines. But to be clear, I’m not talking about plonking a Dorn down and calling it a Russ. My Rogal Russ will be converted so it has the right weapons. I’ve already stripped the turret of most of the fittings (it looks better already). And let’s not pretend that they are hugely different basic designs to start with. I think the main issue will be its size. I’ll post some pics as I go and see what the reception is like.

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So here is my WIP conversion of a Rogal Dorn into a Leman Russ Vanquisher for my Militia. I removed a lot of the fittings, including the rear turret heavy stubber mount and the those idiotic weapon positions on the nose. I also trimmed down the mantlet - I tried a few replacements (including a flat slab), but this seemed to work the best. It also has a Heresy-style co-axial autocannon and a multilaser in the hull. And I removed a lot of unnecessary rivets and roughened up the hull and turret to represent cast steel. I think just removing making these changes improves the RG model a lot. And what’s left is really just a biggerised Russ.

Let me know what you think…

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How does it compare scale-wise? Have you got anything to compare it to?
   
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It’s taller and fatter than a Russ, but not much longer.

Here it is next to my old 3rd Edition Vanquisher (yes, I know that gun looks ridiculous)::

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I would argue that it would be a better sub as a character version of a Russ (aka Tank Commander). If it were a competitive event, I'd say go with an "official" model. If it's a narrative event, just verify with everyone that they are ok with it. You should be fine but at larger events you'll get some push back. My anecdotal evidence has been, if the model is painted well, blends into the army, and you are friendly point it out at the beginning and even offer an actual replacement - the vast majority will want the cooler looking model.

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My chances of getting to a genuinely competitive event are currently pretty low! My main priority is having a model that I like and enjoy painting - the Russ does not fit that criteria. As I mentioned, if I were to field a Russ it would be heavily converted, with a wider, longer hull and enlarged turret, so the end result wouldn't be much different.

Since the above photo was taken, I have replaced the cupola, hatches and other details with pieces from the Heresy vehicle sprue. This both back-dates the model and makes it look less Dorn-like.

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Literally can't see anyone having a problem with it
   
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For the few who are interested, here is an update on this project. The hatches have been replaced with HH-era versions, which (I think) go rather well with the model’s aesthetic. Having finished the filling and sanding, I’ve started on the stowage - the turret will be heavily stowed.

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Looks nice.
   
 
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