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I have 9 Space Wolves left for my Rout with bits to make them into a 9-man plasma tactical support squad, or I could make them into Seekers w kraken bolters (using Deathwatch bolters for those bits).

Which unit should I make them into?

Right now my Wolves are pretty much a run'n'charge army consisting of a JumpPraetor/Jump Command Squad, big Despoilers and Grey Slayer units, 2x5 Tartaros (fists and claws), and a couple Speakers of the Dead and Apothecaries, and 2x5 shotgun/meltabomb/combi-grenade launcher Scouts.

Plasma Gunners outflanking with Pale Hunters could be interesting, or if I go the Tactical Support route should I get meltaguns instead?

But Seekers are interesting as they have more deployment options natively speaking, and the Precision Shots seem like they could be pretty useful too.

Just not quite sure which would be more synergistic with my force.

Outflanking plasma gunners sound nasty and would have the potential to put a serious crimp in the enemy plans. Throw a techmarine w/Cognis Signum on them for the 1+ to hit and you'll have a serious threat to a lot of things. Same goes for the meltaguns. Great for getting rid of those Scorpius' and HHS sitting up the back field.

Not sure about the Kraken bolters, but Seekers' special rules really synergise well nemesis bolters if you have the points. A squad of 10 isn't exactly cheap, but it'll remove characters like nobodies business.


If you're not adverse to magnetising bits, you could all the options and run them as different units as needed.

Honestly, my inklination is plasma or melta aswell, not because seekers are bad, but rather because your list seems to really lack AT capability, ranged AT capability to very precisce.

@snurb, i don't think nemisis bolters synergise that well with seekers. Precision shots is covered by the unit itself, and the higher chance for breaching often outweighs the lower chance of the Nemisis.

Thanks for the inputs! Seems like I might have meltas in my bits box....but if not I'll just slap the plasma guns on there. Double tapping within 12" would pretty sweet.

Hadn't thought of the Techmarine...Mech-Wolf Marine will be cool project!

I’m not a massive fan of Plasma Guns as they stand. They traded in reliable AP for a form of rending, but kept hold of Gets Hot! And I don’t think they dropped in price any.

Not Online!!! wrote:@snurb, i don't think nemisis bolters synergise that well with seekers. Precision shots is covered by the unit itself, and the higher chance for breaching often outweighs the lower chance of the Nemisis.

Fair enough. I think though that a 72" range is a big factor as to why i'd take nemesis over kraken. An extra 10 points for being able to reach out and affect units on all but the largest of tables is not to be discounted and pinning is always useful.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I’m not a massive fan of Plasma Guns as they stand. They traded in reliable AP for a form of rending, but kept hold of Gets Hot! And I don’t think they dropped in price any.

Plasma guns have gone down 5 points from first edition. Rending 4+ is still bloody reliable. At rapid fire range, 50% rending chance will still cause a lot of AP2 wounds. True enough gets hot is an issue, but it can be mitigated somewhat by either an apothecary or techmarine w/cognis signum. True enough, both options are a price increase on an already not cheap unit, but a 10 man support squad of plasma will pull it's weight.

A transport could be needed if you're going to outflank something like that. The interceptor advanced reaction is rather nasty, and if someone happens to have an augury scanner you could be taking 2 or 3 volleys of shots and not be left with all that much.

 Snrub wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:@snurb, i don't think nemisis bolters synergise that well with seekers. Precision shots is covered by the unit itself, and the higher chance for breaching often outweighs the lower chance of the Nemisis.

Fair enough. I think though that a 72" range is a big factor as to why i'd take nemesis over kraken. An extra 10 points for being able to reach out and affect units on all but the largest of tables is not to be discounted and pinning is always useful.

Well fundamentally i agree, afterall i am the type of clown that fields 9 fieldguns in 2500 pts games ontop of other artillery merely for pinning.
However range isn't an issue since you can infiltrate and have a scout move nvm the kraken boltgun itself being not short range either, and you can get melta bombs for half the points ontop.

But yeah if you don't require short range firepower, handing BS 5 seekers a nemisis is also a good idea.
But there are scouts and recon marines that do sniping just aswell and for cheaper.

I think the Seekers w Kraken Bolters are more thematic/interesting for Space Wolves.