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Coming back into gaming again and thought I would try Kill Teams. I bought the first edition but never played it. Finally bough the Second edition, Into the Dark. I thought that would have everything I needed to play. I wanted to restart my Genestealer Cult collection for Kill Teams.

Thing is, I can't find rules for them. Why do I feel like I got Hood Winked and the people at GW are laughing at me for trying to buy something from them and I have made the wrong purchases. I even bought the 2023 Anual and feel even more like a sucker since I have no stats for my Genestealer Cults.

Trying not to feel sour. One of the reasons why I stopped buying GW is because of I needed to buy the Main rules, then these rules, then those rules. I gave up on Lord of the Rings when The Hobbit came out because I refused to buy another book just for stats and points. I thought GW has changed so I wouldn't have to go through what I am doing now. I guess I was wrong.

So what book would I need to buy to get the Genestealer Cult rules, points and what not? Let me guess they are not available to buy anymore? (Dang already getting salty. I didn't know Kirby was so stupid by making us buy one expensive book and what people called the saviour of Fans made us buy multiple books that cost even more.)

OK, I got my saltiness out. It is what it is now. I have herd of Wahgpedia (spelt wrong I think) and checked it out. I have no printer (well paper printer that is lol) and I do like owning books I can read in my hands.

So now that my saltiness is gone and I want to get into Kill Teams 2, where do I go if possible to buy rules for previous armies that are not in box sets? Am I going to have to visit Wahgpedia because GW doesn't sell/make these books anymore? I like to know before I buy anymore minis. I can start seeing myself buying multiple Kill Team armies for collecting and playing when the time allows.

Just need to know where to go to see if I can buy the rules from now on if not in the minis I buy.

Davor

They're probably in the Compendium.

Genecults had their Wyrmblade team originally released in White Dwarf and later collected into the 2022 Annual.

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beast_gts wrote:They're probably in the Compendium.

Thank you very much for that. I didn't know about it. I am wondering since it's almost like $80 Canadian, will it be out of date soon?

Sherrypie wrote:Genecults had their Wyrmblade team originally released in White Dwarf and later collected into the 2022 Annual.

Thank you as well. I appreciate it. My question is, if it was in the 2022 Annual, I would think it would have been in the 2023 Annual as well. I thought Annuals were everything that came out and is up to date to that point. I guess that would be a me problem then and I shouldn't be thinking too much lol.

What would be GW annuals then? Everything that came out in 2023 only? I guess I will need to use Wahgpedia then. Sad that GW is not making things easy for new pleayers.

Again thank you so much for the quick replies.

The Wyrmblade team rules are in the 2022 Annual, but you can also find them on the Warhammer Vault, just search for the appropriate White Dwarf issue (WD 472)

2023 Annual only contains rules for the Killteams which were released during the Gallowdark season.

If you'd want a complete set of rules covering all currently existing Killteams, you would need:

Kill Team: Compendium
Kill Team: Octarius
Kill Team: Chalnath
Kill Team: Nachmund
Kill Team: Moroch
Kill Team: 2022 Annual
Kill Team: 2023 Annual

Additionally, you'd need a copy of the Core Rules book.. But if you bought Into The Dark, you have it already.

The Annual books are admittedly confusing. Annual 2022 compiles all the rules for the game which published in White Dwarf issues during Season 1, but Annual 2023 instead recompiles the team rules from all the 4 boxes of Season 2. There were no additional White Dwarf team rules published during Season 2. GW is notoriously inconsistent with these things, as usual..

It has been speculated that Season 2 was already supposed to be the last season for KT21, but the game outsold GW's expectations and is therefore getting a third season. Looking at the contents reveal for Season 3 launch box, IMO it shows. GW is clearly winding down its efforts regarding Killteam in terms of future investments

You should probably not get the Compendium, as that was the "game is out, give everyone something" stop-gap. Most teams in it are being replaced over time with their bespoke, more intricate counterparts that are better suited for the actual game as designed.

As for the annuals, I'm not sure why you'd think they'd have everything? In most contexts that I'm aware of, such publications are yearly additions or collections of stuff under the same name but different contents, like here they're collections of seasonal stuff.

https://wahapedia.ru/kill-team2/the-rules/introduction/

Thank you so much Tauist. I appreciate that.

 Sherrypie wrote:

As for the annuals, I'm not sure why you'd think they'd have everything? In most contexts that I'm aware of, such publications are yearly additions or collections of stuff under the same name but different contents, like here they're collections of seasonal stuff.

I am not sure. As I said before, I was away for a while and not up to date on how GW opperates. I just thought that since if you wanted to play Lord of the Rings you always needed to buy the latest edition of the point costs and stats. I thought it was the same for Kill Team but just used a different word since GW likes to use different terminology/words for all different games. I thought Kill Team Annual was the yearly rules update we needed to buy to be up to date.

We started setting up a campaign for this but looked at overall costs, having to get all of the rule books listed, and decided against it. Also whilst the rules are a bit cleaner than Necromunda it was still too much for a casual two-hour, once a fortnight session (especially as some of the group are filthy casuals).

In the end we've used the KT miniatures but went with One Page Rules: Grimdark Firefight, plays in a fraction of the time and still captures the flavour of the different factions. You even have an online army builder/roster so easy for everyone taking part to reference, along with the $5 rules buy-in price (!)

We did also consider the rules link/compendium as posted by The_Real_Chris though, which is an absolutely essentially resource for KT in my opinion, and is probably at least partly responsible for the system doing so well (at least until it gets taken down).

I find KT21 to be perfectly reasonable in terms of rules crunch. If you start your first games without tac ops & ploys, and only add those in once you feel fluent with the basics, you should be good.

I feel like KT21 should be given a fair chance as a system because IMHO its the best scifi skirmish system in 40K right now.

You dont need to have all of the books, in fact having the core rulebook and battlescribe + Teammate app would get you going already. The books are standalone in the sense that you really only need one book which has your team rules in it, and even those you can easily REDACTED online

Indeed. I was done with GW games, firmly believing that their games are outdated, random crap, not worth playing in the modern gaming landacape.

Reluctantly, I listened to some guys whose opinion I trusted and I tried KT out. I was surprised to see such a smart, modern game from GW designers, something I thought I would never see.



And yeah, I suggested Wahapedia to the OP via a private message, but he didn't even deign me with a "thank you" so I believe he may be bent on buying obsolete books for a game he doesn't even know if he likes yet.

Yes I did wonder as the reply from Real_Chris was ignored.

Yes a good point Tauist and I agree the system is far more intuitive than Necromunda, a lot less intimidating in terms of rule books and being stood there trying to remember which one of the six rulebooks you had read about something that you are sure applied to this situation, and are desperately trying to get the game finished as you have a hard stop time..

I have played KT and plan to do so again.

I have played Newcromunda and gave up and went back to the Community edition.

Nuff said, from my POV.

Cyel wrote:
And yeah, I suggested Wahapedia to the OP via a private message, but he didn't even deign me with a "thank you" so I believe he may be bent on buying obsolete books for a game he doesn't even know if he likes yet.

I do apologies. I did not see anyone DM me. I noticed it just a few minutes ago. I do appreciate all the help everyone has given me and I do try and say thank you.

Pacific wrote:Yes I did wonder as the reply from Real_Chris was ignored.

I didn't ignore anybody. I just didn't see it sadly.

I will say Thank you to Real_Chris. I do appreciate all the help everyone is giving me. Going to have my first game with someone tomorrow. It will be both our first game.

Cool! Let us know how it went!

Ah sorry about that!

Yes good luck with the new game and please update on how you get on with it, any questions etc.

Will do guys.



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We had our first game. It was a lot of fun. I haven't had this much fun in a 40K setting in years.

I had to stop for a minutes and say, "you still have another 1/2 hour. What do you mean it's my turn to move a mini." LMFAO. He had a good laugh at that.

We made things simple. He used Breacher minis and their rules. I used my Genestealer Cult mini with Breacher rules.

Basically what he used I used. What unit he had, I had. This way it was an even playing field rules wise, no "GOTCHA" moments and played real simply. It was a blast.

No IGOUGO and wait forever for your turn and just remove minis. It was fast paced. Well as fast it can be since we had to look up rules. When we didn't want to look up rules to slow things down we just said how you want to play it for current game. We just got the basics down. How to move. Learn Activations.

This was a lot of fun. No matter if mistakes were made. I can't wait for our next game.

I can see myself starting many small armies now. I do hope GW keeps up Kill Teams. For me, it's the superior rules system. I hope War Cry can be this fun as well when I start trying that.

I would like to thank everyone for your help. You have made the game more enjoyable since I don't need to worry about buying official books that are no longer available OR not to spend so much money if they are available.

Once we get the rules down better we are going to go to our local gaming store and try playing there to see if other would be interested in playing as well instead of just 40K.

Happy to hear you enjoyed yourselves! KT21 can indeed be a blast with the right mission. I enjoy the tactical depth of the game much more than 40K to be honest. It's a great feeling being able to pull off co-ordinated activations and coming up with optimal order of actions to take in a given situation (not always obvious). The alternative activation nature of the game keeps you having to adapt and developing new plans/reactions even within the events unfolding inside a single turning point.