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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6nlr4wj09o

As per the article, a big step forward which will hit scalpers, and fraudsters, hard where it counts. In their grubby, grasping pockets. Because when you can’t resale for Think Of A Number, but only face value plus reasonable fees? There goes your profit and motivation.

Gigs! Shows! Theatre! Stand Up Comedy! Talks! All about to, hopefully, be snatched away from the scalper and parasite both.

Only just a policy announced. Yet to become a Bill let alone Act of Parliament. But this is long, long overdue.

I don't really attend events, but honestly I think this would be fantastic. These days a lot of big name events simply get bought out by bots in seconds of the tickets going live. So you are basically stuck buying scalper ticket prices.


And as is well known, scalpers add nothing of value to the process; they purely intercept product and jack up the costs for zero gain for anyone but their own pocket.

Considering tickets are often resold through the same website firm that sells the original tickets; it should at least curb a LOT of the activity en-mass.



Honestly hope this goes through and works out well. Less money being scalped out of the system means that fans will have more for things like merch so that means artists getting more.

If they could bring this in for all consumer goods that'd be lovely..... Black Library hint hint.....

I hope this works, I am lucky enough to like bands that don't really tend to sell out, lol, but it is very frustrating if you find out about a big gig too late and then can't get tickets for a reasonable price because all the touts got them.

I can see artists just increasing the face value of tickets across the board to make more money though......

I don't think artists would, but I can see ticket reseller sites that profit off scalper sales through their own resale site will want to push ticket prices up to maintain profits.

Which is likely why legislation on this has taken so long to come out; cause the big ticket firms won't be entirely happy at losing that extra income.

It also tackles fraud. I’ve had more than a few cases where someone was selling non-existent tickets. Typically for more than Facebook Value, but lower than Scalper Prices.

Now, there will still be appeal in running such a fraud. After all, you’re not actually selling the tickets, so your overhead remains nil. But when to properly appeal you really need to come in under face value? There just might not be sufficient profit levels for them to bother.

And even if there is? There’s less appeal for the victim in looking outside of official resale channels.


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Split on the original tickets going up as a result.

Sure, resale sites are going to take a hit, as their percentage on Face Value is of course lesser than Think Of A Scalping Number.

And there is some argument that if your audience is willing to pay a Scalper £500 for a £100 ticket, they’d pay you £500 in the first place.

But then…not everyone will do that, so there’s real room for that not being the case.

Just in general though? If you’re at a gig. And you enjoy the bands? Merch Sales Help Them More.

And finally? Support Your Local Grass Roots Venue! Just on basic principle ?

Thing is your customer might pay £500 scalper prices, but then they are probably not buying as much merch, which an artist might make more out of than the ticket sales.

There's also the fact that they might pay £500 and only attend one show instead of five £100 shows - and each show means new merch sales chances. So that could also end up losing the artist more money.

True that.

The important thing is that Scalpers suffer. As you said, they bring nothing but their own greed to the table. The artists and venues don’t benefit one bean from inflated resale prices.

Yep - sure there's loads of others profiting too, but at least they bring some infrastructure, marketing, coordination, outreach and other elements which all help the industry in general.

Scalpers are purely intercepting and making profit and bring nothing to the table of value; and yeah if they are bleeding more money out it just ends up hurting the original creators cause now their fan money is being spent on the scalper not the creator/industry.

and equally important is the hint that they'll be capping (re)seller sites extra costs (eg booking fees) too because if a re-seller etc can't resell tickets for £500 each i wouldn't put it past them to have a £400 booking fee for £100 ticket to attempt to sidestep the changes

Indeed.

I’m really hoping this passes in Parliament. Certainly I think it’ll be revealing as who’s fingers are in which pie if it fails.

The scams subreddit is filled with posts about people getting taken advantage of for sports/concert tickets. Even if you ignore scalping there are a lot of shenanigans happening in that field.

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The scams subreddit is filled with posts about people getting taken advantage of for sports/concert tickets. Even if you ignore scalping there are a lot of shenanigans happening in that field.

And that's just the people who use Ticketmaster.

Pretty sure one of the reselling sites, owned by a ticket company, got caught out reselling tickets that had never been made available to the public first?

I may be misremembering, and they were instead doing nothing to prevent scalpers, knowing they’d get their cut when the tickets were resold.


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But there was a definite, confirmed conflict of interest.

Yeah I think a lot of that really came to a head during the Pandemic when a lot of scalping really hit everything.

But yeah when the website makes sales no matter what and profits from the scalpers reselling and when scalpers can sweep in and get every ticket in milliseconds. Yeah there's a he conflict of interest there on the website because why devote a huge amount of resources to stop the scalpers when the scalpers will often

a) Find ways around it

b) Go on to sell the tickets on your website again anyway letting you double-dip.



You don't even have to hide the tickets, those scalpers can strip the site in seconds as soon as things go live (and heck are probably running their bots before the release time just incase you put them on sale 5 minutes early)