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Everybody I talk to seems to be super disparaging of the push to fit models GW has unleashed upon the world.

I've had no problem with them. If you are going to release a monopose model that I can't kitbash, then make it push-to-fit, I can assemble it quickly and get to painting.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

Some people don't like same pose for many many minis in army. Idk, when you have 200+ infantry no matter which pose they are.

If it's monopose, no reason for it to not be push-fit.

As for monopose in general, it's okay for basic filler line troopers, but for more specialist guys I want to be able to pose them.

 cuda1179 wrote:
If it's monopose, no reason for it to not be push-fit.

As for monopose in general, it's okay for basic filler line troopers, but for more specialist guys I want to be able to pose them.

Disagree on the first part, some feelings on the second

One issue with push fit is that they need to keep the part count down. Every separate bit needs to have a peg/hole, or other way to fit together snd stay. This combined with the hard rule of plastic kits of “absolutely no undercuts” means you can get design compromises. Soft ridges on shoulder pads, odd purity seals, etc. GW is a LOT better these days about packing crisp details on push-fit models, but that often gets us the jigsaw puzzle like models people dislike.

Some specialists I’m only going to have one of in my army. If (and this is a big if) GW knocks it out of the park with a push-fit, I’m OK with not being able to personalize/pose. Now, my marines are Ultras, so they generally design for me. The only reason I’m not 100% agreeing on this point is the MTO company champion I picked up a while back. I expected monopose, but he was a pushfit on top of that.


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Some push-fit kits lack the options of the full kits. This is more of an issue in 10th with the lack of points. But if you got your eradicators from the indominus box, you miss out on the MM for the squad. With no model no rules, it’s pretty obvious on the pushfits. Why can’t the outrider sarge take a power sword? Kit doesn’t have one. This is not exclusive to push fits, but highlighted by them. Even some monopose kits have options, but pushfits almost never do

They can be harder to kitbash. Due to molding issues, you get those puzzle minis where sometimes you have half the arm on the torso, or other factors that make it hard to clip and swap parts. This makes it hard to customize. Although to be fair, not always the case. The push fits assault intercessors in the indominus starter had all their arms whole on pegs, otherwise flat attachments to the torsos. I took some and gave them autobolt rifles.

Pushfits can be repetitive. But they are getting better. Example are the skeletons in the Cursed City box. They are pushfit, but most of the fronts/backs of them had some room to be swapped around. So despite a identical sprue, the second half of the squad is not the same as the first, despite coming from the same parts.

While quick and easy to build, sometimes you get gaps/join lines in odd places. So cleaning them up to a more then battle ready standard can be harder. This can be partially fixed by just clipping pegs and glueing.

Sometimes the axis of force you need to press parts together can be awkward. I noticed this when building the Von Rynns Leapers from the leviathan box. Getting the arms on required a lot of pressure at odd angles, where it was hard to get a firm grip due to the fragile nature of the minis. The whole time I was building them I felt I was going to bend or break them. Some I did clip and glue. If you don’t press the parts firmly together you end up with gaps, but getting them snug can require more force then healthy.

I some respects I think push fit is good because you can get out of mistakes.

I realise it's stupid, but when building ten models where only a specific set of arms/legs/chests fits together properly, I often find I've grabbed the wrong ones and it's only obvious when I'm trying to build another mini ten minutes later and after the glue has dried.

The first push fits from 8th edition were really bad, the parts didn't fit, you had to really hard press them into place and when you realized you made a mistake it was quite impossible to rip them apart without damaging them. GW also called them "Easy to build" when they were actually harder to build than normal miniatures
This has gotten better over time, but push fits still leave gaps, so if you want more from your minis than board game quality you have to cut all the pegs anyway and build them just like other GW minis, so it's just an additional annoying step in the building process.

Tyel wrote:
I some respects I think push fit is good because you can get out of mistakes.

I realise it's stupid, but when building ten models where only a specific set of arms/legs/chests fits together properly, I often find I've grabbed the wrong ones and it's only obvious when I'm trying to build another mini ten minutes later and after the glue has dried.

I'll freely admit that I've done this.

Best part was realising that I'd already cut out all the various bits, leaving all the labels on the now-empty sprues.

As much as I loved the old kits where you could chop and change, you do have to admit that the plastics these days are phenomenal in quality and detail.

I've found the pushfit kits I've worked with pretty pleasant to deal with. The most recent of such kits are probably my canoptek doomstalkers. Building them is quick and easy enough that they're right up there with venoms for kits that I enjoy building and painting. My only complaint about that one is that the scenery on the base is so specific that it's hard to field multiples of them without them being too obviously same-y unless you go out of your way to modify the bases in a meaningful way.

I'm kind of torn when it comes to infantry though. I miss the days of being able to mix and match bits from across various kits to make your dudez feel more unique (many of my archons and succubae are kitbashes). So ideally I'd like to see a return to that, and push-fit for infantry feels like a move in the opposite direction.

One of the problems someone else mentioned was that the detail is nowhere near the same. First, they're also mono-options. The Push Fit Eradicators didn't come with Multi Meltas. The ETB Aggresors didn't come with Flamer and Bolter - I forget which one they did have, I think Flamer. The worst ones, and the ones you can see the detail problem with was the Inceptors. The ETB Inceptor boots were awful. The Bolters weren't much better.

The worst push fit model I've ever dealt with was the AoS purple sun Endless Spell.

Its covered with spikes, large & small. Including right in areas where you need to apply the pressure to assemble the thing.
And if you fail to apply enough pressure you end up with gaps.
I would like to have words with whoever designed this piece....

If you want more than one unit, push-fit monopose models are just flat worse than their multipart counterparts.

Never forget that GW wanted to replace the multipart Boyz with the more expensive, near- optionless monopose pushfits.

I quite like the push fit models I've built. I'm fine with monopose as long as the poses are fairly neutral, because it can easily look natural especially for more disciplined forces. But if a model is gonna be monopose it should be simple to put together - the old LOTR plastics are my ideal here - mostly 2-3 parts including the base, 12 different fairly neutral poses, perfect!

The modern "I come in 50 parts and make a single very dynamic monopose that will be very obvious if there are any repeats, oh and I also cost over 30 quid" monopose is the worst of all possible worlds.

 Da Boss wrote:

The modern "I come in 50 parts and make a single very dynamic monopose that will be very obvious if there are any repeats, oh and I also cost over 30 quid" monopose is the worst of all possible worlds.

I especially hate assembling parts that have no reason to be separate parts.
Ex: the soles of various models boots
Ex: the toes of Fyreslayers
Ex: the upper claw/pinture from the Servitor Battleclade gun servitor

I like it when I prime a push fit model and then try to assemble it...

And things are a little too snug.

Push to fit doesn't bother me all that much now. Looking back at the last handful of Primaris kits I put together a few years back, there's not a huge amount of variety there and push to fit would have simplified building model. I think push to fit would have made the process more enjoyable because building them was tedious and only offered the same several poses anyway. The experience was an over all loss given the limitation on building those models. If the range of models was like 10 different poses and for other factions a different pose for 10 to whatever larger number, that would make it even better.

In the old days, when you hade a lot more freedom with the builds for each kit push together models were too static or just too few in unique posing to remain interesting.

ccs wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:

The modern "I come in 50 parts and make a single very dynamic monopose that will be very obvious if there are any repeats, oh and I also cost over 30 quid" monopose is the worst of all possible worlds.

I especially hate assembling parts that have no reason to be separate parts.
Ex: the soles of various models boots
Ex: the toes of Fyreslayers
Ex: the upper claw/pinture from the Servitor Battleclade gun servitor

Morathi's head was 11 bitz.

Just. Her. Head.

 BorderCountess wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:

The modern "I come in 50 parts and make a single very dynamic monopose that will be very obvious if there are any repeats, oh and I also cost over 30 quid" monopose is the worst of all possible worlds.

I especially hate assembling parts that have no reason to be separate parts.
Ex: the soles of various models boots
Ex: the toes of Fyreslayers
Ex: the upper claw/pinture from the Servitor Battleclade gun servitor

Morathi's head was 11 bitz.

Just. Her. Head.

There's a great reason to only play with Marines.

The biggest thing about push-fit models I DO like? I can play with them asap. I prefer to paint, then assemble, which means multipart models don't see the light of day for years.

As much as I hate grey-horde plastic armies, I'd rather play with one of those (that slowly gets finished) than not play with them until much later. Push fits go together without glue, and can be taken apart for finishing later.

They have their role. They allow more natural poses with fully integrated body shape from stance through weapon and facing.

I am definitely from the days of armies full of repeated metal minis, so I am maybe not as affected. For me, the new plastic ETBs are a great compromise in that you can just smash them together and get great results quickly, and also if you want to spend a bit of effort, you can cut them up reasonably easily to combine with bits form other kits to reduce the obviousness of repeated poses.

After all, for humans at least, there are not really an infinite amount of poses that can be used and still make sense, so close repeats are inevitable anyway. Stepping, standing, running, leaning each way. Beyond that you can change the overall profile of a model by arm position, and arms are usually easily detached and swapped between models.

The problem with them as I see it is that they tend to be included in starter boxes and are intended to be helpful to newbies to the hobby. However the push-fit just doesn't work that well. There always seem to be some parts that are more like push-don't-fit-unless-you-push-hard-enough-to-damage-the-model...

And sure, we know about cutting off the push connections and just gluing them like a normal model, but newbies might not.

I have termagants and they're push fit and there's no problem to assemble them as it intended. And same amount of hormagants. And I cursed Hive mind for how damn bad they fit together.

I like monopose miniatures, either pure metal, or push-to-fit.

But I also miss/like the "any post" kits that existed in 3rd-5th edition.