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https://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/march

March books, including the first couple of warhammer horrors releases.

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Not the Imperial Knight novel I was hoping for, but still looking forward to these first horror instalments.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
Right, but, err, that doesn't explain why it's not an option to just print 15000 C-format books and send them out sold and accounted as Trade on sale or return. Except that they don't want to because Trade can be sold at a much, much larger markup than the actual increase in cost of production justifies.

I don't buy this "they might rip the covers off" thing at all, that would happen approximately once in an entire retail chain before the person who did it was fired and the company bombarded every store with multiple "don't do this or we fire you" memos.


To be honest, I'm more likely to take Charlie's word on it than yours. Especially as plenty of other people who work in the publishing trade also commented, and while quite a few of his points were questioned, that one wasn't, which suggests it's not controversial.

Also, I'm not sure I understand why Black Library are at fault for the staggered release date of hardbacks, TPBs and MMPBs when that's been the industry standard as long as I remember. "not wanting to be spoiled" is no worse a problem for 40k fans than it is for Harry Potter, Discworld or Rebus fans.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Charles Stross is talking about the British book industry. The US is very different, and US consumers have different expectations. Besides that, his explanation doesn't explain why the price needs to be doubled instead of just adjusted 10-25%. The expression springs to mind: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining."


That particular quote I posted was specifically about the US industry, as he points out that it doesn't apply to the USA, and most of his books are sold in the USA.

Granted, it might be out of date, but the reason they're sold at that high a price is probably "because they sell at that price".

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I must have misread him. While I am embarrassed for my mistake, I strongly feel that the book industry, like so many consolidating industries in the US now, is using the flimsiest excuses to justify what is obviously naked greed and anti-competitive practices.

   
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Not sure if he said it in that post, or reply later on. He did say elsewhere that 75% of his sales (and income) comes from the USA.


I think the business practises of the fiction-publishing industry are a combination of 100 years of tradition and trying to fend off Amazon's attempt to monopolise retail.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Right, but, err, that doesn't explain why it's not an option to just print 15000 C-format books and send them out sold and accounted as Trade on sale or return. Except that they don't want to because Trade can be sold at a much, much larger markup than the actual increase in cost of production justifies.

I don't buy this "they might rip the covers off" thing at all, that would happen approximately once in an entire retail chain before the person who did it was fired and the company bombarded every store with multiple "don't do this or we fire you" memos.


To be honest, I'm more likely to take Charlie's word on it than yours. Especially as plenty of other people who work in the publishing trade also commented, and while quite a few of his points were questioned, that one wasn't, which suggests it's not controversial.


To be honest, I'm not sure why you're trying to cast this as a contest of credibility. I'm not challenging any of the factual statements he's making, I just don't understand in what way those statements justify the end policy. The guy says, right there, that in the UK there is no "mass market" distro any more, but people didn't notice because many publishers just started shipping C-format "MMPB" books through Trade instead on Trade terms.

There's nothing there that would explain why BL are not one of those publishers, but instead are using the shift to Trade as an excuse to kill off the C-format entirely, just a vague aside about the American market apparently being incapable of employing people who can follow simple instructions like "don't tear off the covers on those BL C-formats, they're Trade not Mass Market". OK, well, even assuming that's true - how does that impact markets other than America? There's nothing stopping them continuing to print C-formats in smaller numbers for non-American markets, they're choosing not to, and the only feasible explanation as to why is simple corporate greed - they make more money from Trade format, so they want to stop making C-format.

Also, I'm not sure I understand why Black Library are at fault for the staggered release date of hardbacks, TPBs and MMPBs when that's been the industry standard as long as I remember. "not wanting to be spoiled" is no worse a problem for 40k fans than it is for Harry Potter, Discworld or Rebus fans.


Well lets see. Firstly, "everyone does it" is not a justification or an excuse. Nobody is making BL follow "industry standards", and if everyone used your argument in relation to the status quo then nothing would ever change for anything. Second, "everyone" doesn't sometimes insert an additional super-duper-snowflake edition hardback into the first "slot" in the schedule, and "everyone" don't publish into their own exclusive sales channels months before putting things out on general release. For example, I can buy the new Chronicles anthology next week from GW, but not until next sodding March from Amazon or a normal book shop.

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All I meant was that the post I quoted explained why the small-format book wasn't sold to booksellers under TPB terms, and you expressed a disbelief in that statement. One comment came from someone who has spent years dealing with the publishing industry and one comes from someone who doesn't, to my knowledge.

As for the other "everyone does it" may not be an excuse, but on the other hand, it doesn't explain why you pick on one particular publisher for doing it. I read your post as condemning Black Library in particular for doing something that no-one else does. I found going "cold turkey" rather difficult when I weaned myself off Discworld hardbacks, as it happens. I wasn't aware of the additional editions or the fact that BL sell books from their website before other outlets, which is somewhat annoying, I grant you. Although apparently not annoying enough, or they wouldn't be selling books.

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Hey guys, please take the rest of that discussion elsewhere, thanks!

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advent day #3

https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/advent-2018-3-fire-and-thunder-eshort.html



Fire and Thunder
Advent Calendar 2018: Day Three

Trapped in an enemy-infested city and hunted by their foes, Commissar Severina Raine and the 11th Antari Rifles must survive by any means if they are to strike back…

READ IT BECAUSE
It's a tense and claustrophobic story set in the ruins of a shattered city and following a few brave women and men as they fight to survive.

THE STORY
Severina Raine and the 11th Antari Rifles battle in the labyrinthine streets of Balfar, beneath the twin stars known as the Eyes of the Emperor. With the cathedral city of Whend under the control of the Chaos-corrupted Sighted, and the Astra Militarum being pushed back, the situation is desperate. When their fall-back route is destroyed, Raine and her troopers find themselves trapped in the city and desperate to survive – is this the end for them, or can they seize the day and claim victory?

Written by Rachel Harrison




The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
Don’t allow the cynical commercialisation of Christmas to obscure its authentic spiritual message about how weird your family is.

 
   
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https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/advent-2018-6-abyssal-eshort.html#utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=BL&utm_content=BLAdventCalendarDec6

Abyssal
Advent Calendar 2018: Day Six

Prisoner on a Black Ship, surrounded by dangerous psykers and the terrifying Sisters of Silence, Aveth Vairon is hopeful… because this is the moment he has been guided to. But what awaits him?

READ IT BECAUSE
It's a dark and horrific tale set in the depths of a Black Ship in the midst of battle and shows how destiny and death intertwine as Chaos grips the galaxy.



THE STORY
On one of the feared Black Ships, Aveth Vairon, a humble Administratum scribe cowers in a cell. Imprisoned by the Silent Sisters, cowed by their mind-numbing aura and terrified by their situation, he nevertheless feels hope. For Aveth was guided to where he is now by a greater power. For years, he has followed a twisting rune in his mind, guiding him to this moment… and to another prisoner, a faceless woman of great power who he knows will put him on the path to his destiny. But as the Black Ship comes under attack, will that destiny come to pass, or be thwarted by the whims of fate?

Written by David Annandale




The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
Don’t allow the cynical commercialisation of Christmas to obscure its authentic spiritual message about how weird your family is.

 
   
 
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