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 Snrub wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.
Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.


Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.

EDIT - Interestingly this doesn't seem to be a board game as the photography displays both sides set up for battle. Both of the previous Horus Heresy boxes displayed them as boardgames with the hex tile boards and various other board game accoutrements in the photo. Likewise so do the box sets for things like Necromunda, Kill Team, Warcry, etc. (not quite wargames, but you get the point). Looks like they are really pushing this as a "core" tabletop wargame ala 40k/AOS.

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They stated that revitalising 30K as a core game was a plan a good while ago.

Not gonna lie, I don’t love those beakies though. Feet look odd and the bonding studs look very huge on the pauldrons. Maybe it’s just the old heroic proportions when I’m used to lovely Primaris anatomy, but these are a swing and a miss for me.

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 JohnnyHell wrote:
They stated that revitalising 30K as a core game was a plan a good while ago.



I think you were probably thrown off by me putting core in quotes, but the main emphasis of that sentence was actually "tabletop wargame". GWs previous plastic HH entries were more on the board game side of the fence, and the marketing for basically all the other 40k/AoS sub-labeled games have been in a similar vein treating it as a boxed experience with follow-on expansion products rather than the more "freeform" approach taken with 40k/AoS.

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Gotcha. Still, they did say they had plans to make sure “everyone will be playing Horus Heresy” a couple of years back. Seems they intend to do more than leave it to their garage-quality resin casting dept.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.
Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.

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 Snrub wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.
Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.


Ah gotcha. The fact that all the marines in the photo seem to only be carrying bolters (aside from what I assume are sgts) is actually kinda worrying, then again the photos are blurry enough that its possible we're just not seeing the 1-2 dudes per squad who aren't carrying a bolter.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.
Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.


Ah gotcha. The fact that all the marines in the photo seem to only be carrying bolters (aside from what I assume are sgts) is actually kinda worrying, then again the photos are blurry enough that its possible we're just not seeing the 1-2 dudes per squad who aren't carrying a bolter.


Tactical Squads are usually only outfitted with Bolters (seargents notwithstanding).
   
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 Orodhen wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.
Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.


Ah gotcha. The fact that all the marines in the photo seem to only be carrying bolters (aside from what I assume are sgts) is actually kinda worrying, then again the photos are blurry enough that its possible we're just not seeing the 1-2 dudes per squad who aren't carrying a bolter.


Tactical Squads are usually only outfitted with Bolters (seargents notwithstanding).


The photography for Calth and Prospero depicted them carrying one heavy and one special weapon for each squad of 10 (besides the sergeants and their armaments). Forget which one was which, but one of them was a melta and missile launcher, the other a plasma and heavy bolter.

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Ooohhhhh this is exciting. Those mk6 look better proportioned. I'm a little sad it's not mk2 or mk5 though.

And plastic Spartan!! Plastic hopefully-not-garbage contemptor! Honestly the resin contemptor is so good I doubt the plastic one will impress me but we can hope!

If this comes out soon after Dominion my wallet will be angry.

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 jeff white wrote:
Watch this crush numarine sales. GW management may be surprised!


You posted this in another thread and it wasn’t plausible there either.

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 jeff white wrote:
Watch this crush numarine sales. GW management may be surprised!


40k Marines of whatever flavour are pretty much guaranteed to outsell anything heresy.
   
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Right, I mean as nice as it would be for these to outsell primaris, they've had the opportunity for a while now with the mkiii/iv boxes.

I'm in for however this is and will stop buying primaris(I like them and have 5k pts of them) but I prefer setting my games in pre Rift.
   
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Well, i'm glad I kept my heresy era Fists around. Time to get Dorn.

 
   
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Watch this outsell Sigmarines/Dominion. I will buy multiples, keep them for few years and sell for 200% profit

   
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Looking back at it, this is pretty inline with the email I received from FW when asked about some of their products being "no longer available". Their reply was

Please don't worry these items are not discontinued, they are undergoing some product packaging updates and will return to the store once the product updates are complete.

 
   
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Would be good to see 30k revitalised with a new starter set. It looks from the pics like it will be more of a 30k set than a set with "board game" components that fill landfills worldwide

   
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More so if we get the relatively core vehicles in plastic.

Sure there’s not really anything preventing me using the bog standard plastic Rhino, Predator etc. But I’d prefer (and would pay for) a plastic upgrade sprue over resin any day of the week.

And I suspect I’m not alone in that. I don’t expect everything to get done in plastic. Certainly I don’t see anything bigger than the Spartan being moved across. I’m ok with that, as I’m not sure how often I’d use say a Mastodon or other Super Heavy.

But I think I’d be more willing to buy such big boys in resin if they’re the only thing I need to fart about straightening and pinning.

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 Snrub wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.
Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.


Well boardgame doesn't have to follow 30k rules. Bac/bop didn't.

And it's not like unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it. Here at least in theory you can kill spartan. 3e one side literally could roll all 6's and not make dent. Rules literally made it impossible. Fb 8e elves had huge advantage. And aos3 launch set sigmarines have about 30% more points.

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Have heard there's more rumours going around on Reddit from the guy who leaked these pics, stating that there will be more plastic releases along side this set. Supposedly including among other things, MkII armour.
Does anyone have a link to the appropriate Reddit page? I don't know how to navigate that site.



tneva82 wrote:
Well boardgame doesn't have to follow 30k rules. Bac/bop didn't.
That's very true. A board game might have a specific mechanic for blowing up a spartan.

40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.
What unit was that?

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tneva82 wrote:
And it's not like unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.

Splinter Cannons were S4, so could glance the Landspeeder.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
And it's not like unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.

Splinter Cannons were S4, so could glance the Landspeeder.

Couldn’t DE warriors still take haywire grenades back then too?

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
And it's not like unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.

Splinter Cannons were S4, so could glance the Landspeeder.

Couldn’t DE warriors still take haywire grenades back then too?

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Not super sure how to feel on this. I love 30K and have been playing since release, but my group and I recently decided to sell out of it due to a few reasons:

-The game is barely supported.
-The rules (team) is doing an awful job period
-Firstborn marines have terrible proportions.
-Its prohibitively expensive
-Everything is constantly out of stock (please don't make COVID excuse its been happening for 3 years now)
-Models we want and upgrades we need are no longer available

This is a potential fix for a few of those but also creates more problems:

-Apparently the game is going to be supported again
-Hopefully they canned the bozo who has been writing the rules lately (hur durr 24" ARTILLERY tank)
-MKVI have actually correct proportions (not truescale, but taller than a guardsmen and shorter than a primaris, honestly the scale for the CSM and Deathwatch is perfect).
-Plastic is inherently cheaper than resin
-????

So, the game may be getting supported, but how drastic are these changes? Will they be any good? I guess we'll find out.
MKVI look great, but MKIII, and MKIV will look bad in comparison (they look bad next to CSM and DW and SM Heroes) will they update 3 year old kits and make them slightly taller? Absolutely not.
GW is having a hard time with stock. These will be no exception, so scalpers are gonna have a field day as always, and if we go by GW's current track record, this will likely be a limited "launch box" where Calth and Prospero were around for 2 years each. Also the problem of upgrades being unavailable will likely remain the same.

I think I will sit on the fence until they show a lot more tanks and infantry that they plan to release in plastic. If MKII is confirmed, a few multi-option tank kits (Sicaran/Predator) come out in plastic, and they revisit some of the older Isstvan era legion units in plastic I will consider it. (Recently SW, BA, DA, & WS have had increased proportions for Legion specific units, so older ones will need that treatment and a facelift in some cases)
   
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Assuming 30k is going to get ongoing support in the same vein as other "specialist" games, I would be surprised if there are not Legion specific kits in the pipeline. Either in the form of "upgrade" sprues or full units with compatible parts.
   
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 Snrub wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.
Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.


Well, in Heresy melta is one of the worst weapons against spartan. From front you can't even glace it. From every other side you need 6 to glance, and it has 5HP...so yeah, good luck. If you take spartan, you will always take flare shield + armored ceramite. There are very few things in heresy that can threaten spartan. Considering cost, there is also little point in LR, since spartan has 2x fire power(unless you take that LR with 3 lass) not to mention it's way more survivable.


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 Snrub wrote:
It was supposed to be MkII and bikes in the new box set!

MkII and bikes, Forgeworld. Didn't you hear what your fan base wanted?!


Well, bikes from FW are really over priced. On the other hand, outriders in heresy except maybe from White scars/DA are almost useless? Very expensive for what they do on table.

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Yes, I think that's why they were wanting plastic bikes in the starter...
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
They stated that revitalising 30K as a core game was a plan a good while ago.

Not gonna lie, I don’t love those beakies though. Feet look odd and the bonding studs look very huge on the pauldrons. Maybe it’s just the old heroic proportions when I’m used to lovely Primaris anatomy, but these are a swing and a miss for me.


Everything you seem to dislike ticks my YES boxes... I have an old marine collection that had been slowly developing alongside other armies which I had been able to build and interested in building more quickly. I was not happy with the way that restartes were introduced as new marines. I would have much preferred that GW do what they were doing, better, rather than starting something new... anyways, this set is exactly what I would have wanted to finish my collection, really great.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
MkIII armor has been tempting me for a while to make a Chaos army, MkII might push me over the edge.


I have also a fledgling heretic marine collection... no demons. Yeah, me too. I guess half of this starter box, assuming that I will be able to get one and it is not limited release, would go in that direction anyways. But adding some older variants for mutant conversions, vets and champs would be awesome have to say...

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I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?
   
 
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