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On Szeras bear in mind as a Cryptek you can take cryptothralls to create a nice little 3 model (minimum, codex necrons might allow more thralls per unit) pseudo unit with a bucket load of melee attacks. The thralls will get 4+ RP rolls, living metal and their 3+ save as well as the buffs to their attacks, weapon skill and ballistic skill and Szeras gets the benefit of being immune to shooting attacks while the thralls live.

Based on the latest points leaks... I wouldn't put too much faith in the points costs for the characters in this book....

PA datasheet has Stern and the Harlie at 115 points, but, the 9th leaks in the big thread now has them at 125. The Talons of the Emperor characters are also increasing so you can almost certainly guarantee that Szeras is also increasing.

But GW said PA books were written with 9th in mind

 p5freak wrote:
But GW said PA books were written with 9th in mind

They are still 8th edition books.

 p5freak wrote:
But GW said PA books were written with 9th in mind

Eh point cost is one thing that would have to be different. Either 8th ed book has overpriced 8th ed costs or 9th has underpriced costs. You cannot have 1 cost that works for both.

Though it was marketing speech but that's shown in rules. Not points which is either incorrect or you have to errata somewhere. Either book has 8th ed points and errata for 9(at which point you need 2 sources for points in 9th) or 9th in book and 8th ed points in errata

 p5freak wrote:
But GW said PA books were written with 9th in mind

I don't think they did. You have a quote?

I assumed that's the usual internet-garbage.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
But GW said PA books were written with 9th in mind

I don't think they did. You have a quote?

I assumed that's the usual internet-garbage.

They did say it in the FAQ (and on the stream) :

What about the Psychic Awakening books?
Again – these all still work! The rules in these supplements
were written with the new edition in mind, so you can
continue to use the rules in them for your games.

 TheGuest wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
But GW said PA books were written with 9th in mind

I don't think they did. You have a quote?

I assumed that's the usual internet-garbage.

They did say it in the FAQ (and on the stream) :

What about the Psychic Awakening books?
Again – these all still work! The rules in these supplements
were written with the new edition in mind, so you can
continue to use the rules in them for your games.

Yeah its just the rules will need to be faqed and points will change

Its not quite a lie.....

 TheGuest wrote:
They did say it in the FAQ (and on the stream) :

What about the Psychic Awakening books?
Again – these all still work! The rules in these supplements
were written with the new edition in mind, so you can
continue to use the rules in them for your games.

Well of course they're going to say that. There was a world-wide pandemic that delayed the release of 3 of them (4 of them in some areas) and they want people to still buy them. If telling people the books also made toast in the morning would'a shifted more units they'd've said that as well!

I like Stern and Kyganil but unless I can use them to fill a hq slot then I have no interest in using them. Is it so much to ask that I don't need to take 3 of the same unit for my sisters army?

I will admit I have not bought a single PA book after seeing what was included in Phoenix Rising. Borrowed a friend's Engine War to see if it would be worth it, but the fluff just was meh at best. The stories posted on WarCom were mostly better.

pm713 wrote:
I like Stern and Kyganil but unless I can use them to fill a hq slot then I have no interest in using them. Is it so much to ask that I don't need to take 3 of the same unit for my sisters army?

3 celestines? That's a neat trick!

 Mr Morden wrote:

 TheGuest wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
But GW said PA books were written with 9th in mind

I don't think they did. You have a quote?

I assumed that's the usual internet-garbage.

They did say it in the FAQ (and on the stream) :

What about the Psychic Awakening books?
Again – these all still work! The rules in these supplements
were written with the new edition in mind, so you can
continue to use the rules in them for your games.

Yeah its just the rules will need to be faqed and points will change

Its not quite a lie.....

I do not see how that is an indication they were not written with 9th in mind.

pm713 wrote:
Is it so much to ask that I don't need to take 3 of the same unit for my sisters army?

Let me look at the Troop section.
Why, yes, apparently it is indeed too much to ask.
What other faction has literally just one troop choice? Harlequin, maybe Custodes and Grey Knights?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Is it so much to ask that I don't need to take 3 of the same unit for my sisters army?

Let me look at the Troop section.
Why, yes, apparently it is indeed too much to ask.
What other faction has literally just one troop choice? Harlequin, maybe Custodes and Grey Knights?

Grey Knights have two and Custodes have two because FW provided Sags for them. Harlequins need mimes back.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Is it so much to ask that I don't need to take 3 of the same unit for my sisters army?

Let me look at the Troop section.
Why, yes, apparently it is indeed too much to ask.
What other faction has literally just one troop choice? Harlequin, maybe Custodes and Grey Knights?

Grey Knights have two and Custodes have two because FW provided Sags for them. Harlequins need mimes back.

They need great harlequins and have done since day one. GW are just lazy it seems.

Also I'm totally for getting rid of some of the troops for Marines. Literally nobody wanted Incursors and Assault Intercessors can literally just be part of the Intercessor profile with the addition of a couple of lines.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Harlequins need mimes back.

What are mimes? Memes?
Also why are Sisters still doomed to be the one troop choice army?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Harlequins need mimes back.

What are mimes? Memes?
Also why are Sisters still doomed to be the one troop choice army?

IIRC the Mimes are like assassins/promoters for the troupes.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Harlequins need mimes back.

What are mimes? Memes?
Also why are Sisters still doomed to be the one troop choice army?

SoB squads are really good for basic troop choice. Sure they can't assault worth a crap but are very versatile. Sisters have only ever had one Troop unit. I'm not upset by that trend continuing.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Harlequins need mimes back.

What are mimes? Memes?
Also why are Sisters still doomed to be the one troop choice army?

Apparently they were a troop choice YEARS ago. Someone here said they did an infiltration equivalent.

 Hellebore wrote:


...GW does not consider their customers equal despite never advertising that fact.

It's plain to me that unless you buy a space marine you're merely tolerated.

The wallowing in victimhood seen round here sometimes verges on parody. You aren't being oppressed. The favour shown to certain factions at different times isn't 'toxic' or 'problematic'. Get a grip man.

jivardi wrote:
SoB squads are really good for basic troop choice.

I'm not saying they are bad. I'm saying having only one choice in the one battlefield role that you HAVE to own multiple of, and that represent the most numerous part of your faction, is sad. Bring back Frateris Militia or something.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Harlequins need mimes back.

What are mimes?

Mimics who combined their masks and their holofields and mastery of the webway to pretend to be anyone, including enemy troops, and appear nearly anywhere, so that they could infiltrate bases, battlefields etc. Also to appear on Craftworlds days or weeks ahead of the main Troupe to put up the Eldar equivalent of “coming attraction” posters without anyone knowing exactly when or how they arrived.
Master Mimes were the next best thing to invisible if they wanted to be and enjoyed playing “pranks” like leaving trip-wire grenade booby-traps inside the only door to a sealed underground bunker, or a harlequin mask locked in a mocking grin on the pillow next to a sleeping planetary governor just before the Ordo Xenos bust down the door and start asking awkward questions about alien artefact smuggling.
There was even a special character who had developed the talent to the point of basically operating under a combination of Scooby Doo and Road Runner chase scene rules.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Harlequins need mimes back.

What are mimes? Memes?
Also why are Sisters still doomed to be the one troop choice army?

I assume they are afraid of what happened with chaos marines would happen with SoB if they gave us novitiates and Frateris Militia, also GW is lazy. still no jump cannoness, the 2 new "units" are just unit varients of existing units. and some special characters...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Apparently they were a troop choice YEARS ago. Someone here said they did an infiltration equivalent.

Mimes are an option in kill teams.
They weren't in Gav Thorpe's 3e harlequin codex or any of the main 2nd ed books or 3e supplements that i'm aware of, possibly an obscure journal ruleset?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Mimics who combined their masks and their holofields and mastery of the webway to pretend to be anyone, including enemy troops, and appear nearly anywhere, so that they could infiltrate bases, battlefields etc. Also to appear on Craftworlds days or weeks ahead of the main Troupe to put up the Eldar equivalent of “coming attraction” posters without anyone knowing exactly when or how they arrived.
Master Mimes were the next best thing to invisible if they wanted to be and enjoyed playing “pranks” like leaving trip-wire grenade booby-traps inside the only door to a sealed underground bunker, or a harlequin mask locked in a mocking grin on the pillow next to a sleeping planetary governor just before the Ordo Xenos bust down the door and start asking awkward questions about alien artefact smuggling.
There was even a special character who had developed the talent to the point of basically operating under a combination of Scooby Doo and Road Runner chase scene rules.

Sounds pretty cool.

 warmaster21 wrote:
I assume they are afraid of what happened with chaos marines would happen with SoB if they gave us novitiates and Frateris Militia

I think "They are lazy" is closer to the truth. I don't think GW really minds what happened to CSM.

JWBS wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:


...GW does not consider their customers equal despite never advertising that fact.

It's plain to me that unless you buy a space marine you're merely tolerated.

The wallowing in victimhood seen round here sometimes verges on parody. You aren't being oppressed. The favour shown to certain factions at different times isn't 'toxic' or 'problematic'. Get a grip man.

Never claimed to be a victim and your assertion as such is insulting to people who have actually been victimised. Never claimed I was oppressed.

What I said in what you QUOTED is that they don't treat customers equally - they sell a game with factions that are advertised as equal choices yet they do not provide ongoing development or updates for all those factions on anything like an equal basis. This creates a poor balance dynamic in The game and skews players heavily towards factions that actually get new material and support. That is not equal treatment of customers.

I said non Marine players are tolerated - if GW could switch to just marine on marine they would in an instant. But they understand they need at least some non marine armies so marine players have something else to fight.

And because marines are their preferred product line, they've built the game mechanics around them so they have trouble balancing good army lists that aren't MEQ. Necrons are MEQ and thus easy mode in development.

None of this is anything other than 25 years of observing GWs decision making, it's investment preferences and looking at how few non-marine armies there are, how old their miniatures are and how many units marines have now have. How much money they invested in fiction for imperial factions alone shows this.

Describing this as unequal treatment of customers and that they merely tolerate non marine players is pretty mild. If I had bought a car from a manufacturer who advertised it as just add good as all their others only to find out later that it had no after sales support, parts or anything I'd be furious because I wouldn't have bought it had I know this and I would consider it misleading advertising. Just because these are plastic toys doesn't mean the company isn't required to be forthright with its customers.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Is it so much to ask that I don't need to take 3 of the same unit for my sisters army?

Let me look at the Troop section.
Why, yes, apparently it is indeed too much to ask.
What other faction has literally just one troop choice? Harlequin, maybe Custodes and Grey Knights?

If you play pure Militarum Tempestus, then Militarum Tempestus.

The factions with only one troop choice have 1 choice that is always good.

I'd rather have one good troops choice than a couple mediocre ones.