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 McDougall Designs wrote:


But it's not zero facts. Somebody reported partially cured resin.

That is a carcinogenic liquid Capable of off-gassing VOCs which are also carcinogenic.

People have a right to be concerned about it. If even one uncured mini got boxed and sent out, thats a quality control issue, and a liability issue.


Yet did only once and when contacted to send them for refund total silence.


One random nobody in internet makes claim but isn't willing to back claim nor accepts refund nor replacement kit. Fishy.

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Was that at GenCon, and they brought it back, and PP showed pictures of what was reported, and explained that it wasn't partially cured? Or is this referring to someone else?

   
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Not a warmahorde player. I bought an army. Wasnt a fan.

Regardless, my group is getting into Burrows and Badgers. It is a combo of 3d prints and bespoke miniatures. Maybe in a 60-40 ratio. The whole group is excited. I think this (3DP) is, in fact, the way forward for TTWG and GW will have to start selling their IP for revenue rather than fleecing gamers for plastic. There are a few printers between us but only one of us has a resin printer. I think this will be the new paradigm and the companies who do not concentrate on compelling settings and rulesets will be left behind. I will be buying these rules and following developments even if i dont play or print. My dos centavos....

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 Souleater wrote:
How should we account for the extra cost that the app, artwork, fiction writers, etc might add to the model costs?


By comparing prices per model with other companies that also have a game with an app and artwork etc.

For example A Song of Ice and Fire.

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Cyel wrote:
 Souleater wrote:
How should we account for the extra cost that the app, artwork, fiction writers, etc might add to the model costs?


By comparing prices per model with other companies that also have a game with an app and artwork etc.

For example A Song of Ice and Fire.


I mean, that's a horrible comparison. Those models are good enough to get the job done, but.... economical is a kind way of putting it.
   
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PP just dropped the complete list of Legacy armies making their way into the Prime Arena:

Blackclad Army (Circle)
Tharn Army (Circle)
Convergence Army
Crucible Guard Army
Bane Army (Cryx)
Blackfleet Army (Cryx)
Storm Knight Army (Cygnar)
Trencher Army (Cygnar)
Grymkin Army
Infernals Army
Man-O-War Army (Khador)
Winter Guard Army (Khador)
Blighted Nyss Army (Legion)
Blighted Ogrun Army (Legion)
Blindwater Army (Mercenary)
Cephalyx Army (Mercenary)
Farrow Army (Mercenary)
Privateer Army (Mercenary)
Rhulic Army (Mercenary)
Steelhead Army (Mercenary)
Exemplar Army (Protectorate)
Flameguard Army (Protectorate)
Dawnguard Army (Retribution)
Mage Hunter Army (Retribution)
Immortals Army (Skorne)
Praetorian Army (Skorne)
Northkin Army (Trollbloods)
United Kriels Army (Trollbloods)

https://home.privateerpress.com/2022/08/18/legacy-armies-in-prime-arena/

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I am a bit surprised Storm Knights and Winter Guard are coming over, given how visually similar they are to the new MKIV armies for those factions, but hey, these all seem like fine choices.

   
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 Boss Salvage wrote:
PP just dropped the complete list of Legacy armies making their way into the Prime Arena:


https://home.privateerpress.com/2022/08/18/legacy-armies-in-prime-arena/


Damn, I waited for years to get a proper Morowan army and it got removed right after it was finally introduced.

I'm frankly chocked that they didn't made an army out of them, with the order of the illumination (especially since thos guys are pretty new), the archon, Precursors, Gallant, Constance and the Legion of Lost Souls...
It would have been the perfect army to take advantage of their cadre system too.

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Surprised they kept Winter Guard and Storm Knights. It'll be interesting to see what all defines things like the United Kriels, though most of these are pretty self explanatory.
   
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United Kriels might just be the models you'd see in the Kriel Company theme, currently (non-Champion/Northkin infantry). I'm just guessing, of course, we'll have to see.

   
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Interesting takeaway - They are referring to these as something other than their corresponding Theme names. I.E. rather than calling the Cygnar armies "Storm Division" and "Gravediggers", they are referring to them as "Storm Knight Army" and "Trencher Army". Which means that the mention of Gravediggers in the Mk4 announcement was likely a tease of a forthcomgin Mk4 Cygnar army (which - if Storm Legion and Winter Korps are any indication - will feature a modernized take on Trenchers.

It is odd that they chose to keep mk3 armies that have strong thematic overlap with the new mk4 armies. I don't see what benefit the game has from having both "Storm Knight Army" and Storm Legion as choices for play, ditto "Winter Guard Army" and Winter Korps - but I suppose this was probably more about trying to appease players and absorbing and carrying forward the most coherent and fully developed elements of Mk3 armies that would fit within the construct of the Mk4 army concept.

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Gathering the Informations.

It makes it easier for new players who buy in via the new setups to proxy when playing people using legacy stuff, IMO.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I was hoping for something more reasonable for an infantry dude. $17 for a named character is not great, but acceptable for the right miniature. $10 is fine for a well-sculpted resin schmo miniature that doesn’t look made out of micro-legos.

For these topographical map mofos, $5 is getting cheeky.


FWIW, if you assume out of the $200 box sets that $75 for the two jacks with all their arms plus the warcaster is the going rate, it comes to $125 for the remaining 19 figures $6.58 per schmo.


Okay, but I’m talking a la cart. If I’m forced to buy by squad, I’m looking for $2 or less per mini. $3 if the bits are useful. I won’t buy GW minis, and don’t find GW pricing acceptable for any other mini IP, possibly excepting Kingdom Death.

I suppose I’d be okay paying $7ish a mini for a royal sampler with one of each type, depending on the poses chosen.

   
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Asmoridin wrote:
United Kriels might just be the models you'd see in the Kriel Company theme, currently (non-Champion/Northkin infantry). I'm just guessing, of course, we'll have to see.


I'd be a little disappointed if it was, as that's the element of the current faction I find least appealing, but Northkin are cool so I can pivot that way in due course.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I was hoping for something more reasonable for an infantry dude. $17 for a named character is not great, but acceptable for the right miniature. $10 is fine for a well-sculpted resin schmo miniature that doesn’t look made out of micro-legos.

For these topographical map mofos, $5 is getting cheeky.


FWIW, if you assume out of the $200 box sets that $75 for the two jacks with all their arms plus the warcaster is the going rate, it comes to $125 for the remaining 19 figures $6.58 per schmo.


Okay, but I’m talking a la cart. If I’m forced to buy by squad, I’m looking for $2 or less per mini. $3 if the bits are useful. I won’t buy GW minis, and don’t find GW pricing acceptable for any other mini IP, possibly excepting Kingdom Death.

I suppose I’d be okay paying $7ish a mini for a royal sampler with one of each type, depending on the poses chosen.


I honestly cannot think of a game where you get 5 man squads for $10 at retail. Even like the cheap PVC stuff costs more than that.
   
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Oof, unless Steelhead now encompasses a lot of the old Llaelese Resistance stuff, I'm not sure where the majority of my models are going to end up based on that list.

   
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 Siygess wrote:
Oof, unless Steelhead now encompasses a lot of the old Llaelese Resistance stuff, I'm not sure where the majority of my models are going to end up based on that list.


Unlimited unfortunately. Llael has sadly always been this super compelling army concept headed by an exceptionally cool leading lady that has just never manifested into a real army. I have a likely similar collection of attempts at making them playable that has always just kind of floundered on my pile of shame.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
Asmoridin wrote:
United Kriels might just be the models you'd see in the Kriel Company theme, currently (non-Champion/Northkin infantry). I'm just guessing, of course, we'll have to see.


I'd be a little disappointed if it was, as that's the element of the current faction I find least appealing, but Northkin are cool so I can pivot that way in due course.


The Kriel Company stuff is at least very visually distinct and mechanically unique. It might end up getting some of the melee combined armed stuff anyway though. If not, Northkin already heavily overlaps with Band of Heroes and could easily take in some stragglers, and its got enough shaman elements it could grab a bunch of the Dhunia stuff as well.

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 LunarSol wrote:


I honestly cannot think of a game where you get 5 man squads for $10 at retail. Even like the cheap PVC stuff costs more than that.


You could probably find boxed plastic historicals at $2US per figure. But historicals sell for less than original properties - partly because the designs are semi-public domain, and partly because historicals generally have less bling.

Not likely with figures for an original property, though.
   
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depends, 5 man units are usually elite and cost more, so ~20€, 10 model units for 20€ are more common, which would be 5 for 10

looking at the R&F market there are larger boxes and 20 models for 35/40 are more common (but less detailed of course)

and for historicals you look for <1€ per model if it is plastic, resin usually <2€ per models for R&F infantry


but this also depends on the army size, if you only need 5, those are more expensive than if you need 20 per unit and 5 units

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 kodos wrote:

but this also depends on the army size, if you only need 5, those are more expensive than if you need 20 per unit and 5 units


Exactly why I'm never fond of PPM as a comparison. The value of a single MCP figure to me is dramatically higher than the 13 or so models I get out of a ASoIaF box set.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I was hoping for something more reasonable for an infantry dude. $17 for a named character is not great, but acceptable for the right miniature. $10 is fine for a well-sculpted resin schmo miniature that doesn’t look made out of micro-legos.

For these topographical map mofos, $5 is getting cheeky.


FWIW, if you assume out of the $200 box sets that $75 for the two jacks with all their arms plus the warcaster is the going rate, it comes to $125 for the remaining 19 figures $6.58 per schmo.


Okay, but I’m talking a la cart. If I’m forced to buy by squad, I’m looking for $2 or less per mini. $3 if the bits are useful. I won’t buy GW minis, and don’t find GW pricing acceptable for any other mini IP, possibly excepting Kingdom Death.

I suppose I’d be okay paying $7ish a mini for a royal sampler with one of each type, depending on the poses chosen.


I honestly cannot think of a game where you get 5 man squads for $10 at retail. Even like the cheap PVC stuff costs more than that.


Most HIPS products. WGA sells historicals at $35 for 30ish and Sci Fi/Fantasy at $35 for 20ish. Lots of PVC minis come cheap, too. Mantic used to sell plastic minis at $1 each, although their prices have gone way up since then. Reaper sells individual “plastic” minis at less than $5 each, and three packs for $6-$10 depending.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I was hoping for something more reasonable for an infantry dude. $17 for a named character is not great, but acceptable for the right miniature. $10 is fine for a well-sculpted resin schmo miniature that doesn’t look made out of micro-legos.

For these topographical map mofos, $5 is getting cheeky.


FWIW, if you assume out of the $200 box sets that $75 for the two jacks with all their arms plus the warcaster is the going rate, it comes to $125 for the remaining 19 figures $6.58 per schmo.


Okay, but I’m talking a la cart. If I’m forced to buy by squad, I’m looking for $2 or less per mini. $3 if the bits are useful. I won’t buy GW minis, and don’t find GW pricing acceptable for any other mini IP, possibly excepting Kingdom Death.

I suppose I’d be okay paying $7ish a mini for a royal sampler with one of each type, depending on the poses chosen.


I honestly cannot think of a game where you get 5 man squads for $10 at retail. Even like the cheap PVC stuff costs more than that.


Most HIPS products. WGA sells historicals at $35 for 30ish and Sci Fi/Fantasy at $35 for 20ish. Lots of PVC minis come cheap, too. Mantic used to sell plastic minis at $1 each, although their prices have gone way up since then. Reaper sells individual “plastic” minis at less than $5 each, and three packs for $6-$10 depending.


McDougall designs sells individual WGA sprues, meaning you can absolutely just order a single WGA infantry sprue and get 6 28mm, hard plastic historicals for 5.99$.

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 LunarSol wrote:
 kodos wrote:

but this also depends on the army size, if you only need 5, those are more expensive than if you need 20 per unit and 5 units


Exactly why I'm never fond of PPM as a comparison. The value of a single MCP figure to me is dramatically higher than the 13 or so models I get out of a ASoIaF box set.


And I have a different idea of value. I’ve never bought any MCP minis, but plenty of CMON minis.

Frankly, your idea of value only makes sense for people who are already heavily invested in playing the game itself. For a new IP, without the benefit of popular lore or iconic character design, a new gamer would have no reason to pay so much. Until there’s an update established community, the game can’t afford to shock potential customers with sticker prices. Hook me with model design or fluff, and then maybe you can justify some higher prices. WMH is a dead game, whose prices were always too high. Starting a new edition with high prices, no community, and an untested product? That’s just ridiculous.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I was hoping for something more reasonable for an infantry dude. $17 for a named character is not great, but acceptable for the right miniature. $10 is fine for a well-sculpted resin schmo miniature that doesn’t look made out of micro-legos.

For these topographical map mofos, $5 is getting cheeky.


FWIW, if you assume out of the $200 box sets that $75 for the two jacks with all their arms plus the warcaster is the going rate, it comes to $125 for the remaining 19 figures $6.58 per schmo.


Okay, but I’m talking a la cart. If I’m forced to buy by squad, I’m looking for $2 or less per mini. $3 if the bits are useful. I won’t buy GW minis, and don’t find GW pricing acceptable for any other mini IP, possibly excepting Kingdom Death.

I suppose I’d be okay paying $7ish a mini for a royal sampler with one of each type, depending on the poses chosen.


I honestly cannot think of a game where you get 5 man squads for $10 at retail. Even like the cheap PVC stuff costs more than that.


Most HIPS products. WGA sells historicals at $35 for 30ish and Sci Fi/Fantasy at $35 for 20ish. Lots of PVC minis come cheap, too. Mantic used to sell plastic minis at $1 each, although their prices have gone way up since then. Reaper sells individual “plastic” minis at less than $5 each, and three packs for $6-$10 depending.


McDougall designs sells individual WGA sprues, meaning you can absolutely just order a single WGA infantry sprue and get 6 28mm, hard plastic historicals for 5.99$.


Indeed. I’ve bought sprues from him and will do so again due to the convenience and cost savings over ordering a whole “unit” box when I only want a handful of miniatures.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
And I have a different idea of value. I’ve never bought any MCP minis, but plenty of CMON minis.

the "value" is, what do I need to play the game, rather than what does the individual model cost

and the usual value of a force to play, outside the GW bubble, is 200-300€, 50-100€ for Skirmish games, so als long as the game is around those numbers it is ok

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 kodos wrote:

but this also depends on the army size, if you only need 5, those are more expensive than if you need 20 per unit and 5 units


Exactly why I'm never fond of PPM as a comparison. The value of a single MCP figure to me is dramatically higher than the 13 or so models I get out of a ASoIaF box set.


And I have a different idea of value. I’ve never bought any MCP minis, but plenty of CMON minis.

Frankly, your idea of value only makes sense for people who are already heavily invested in playing the game itself. For a new IP, without the benefit of popular lore or iconic character design, a new gamer would have no reason to pay so much. Until there’s an update established community, the game can’t afford to shock potential customers with sticker prices. Hook me with model design or fluff, and then maybe you can justify some higher prices. WMH is a dead game, whose prices were always too high. Starting a new edition with high prices, no community, and an untested product? That’s just ridiculous.


I don't need to be heavily invested in a game to care about the game value of the model. That's why I don't buy the Bones stuff. They have zero game value for me regardless of the PPM.
   
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 kodos wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
And I have a different idea of value. I’ve never bought any MCP minis, but plenty of CMON minis.

the "value" is, what do I need to play the game, rather than what does the individual model cost

and the usual value of a force to play, outside the GW bubble, is 200-300€, 50-100€ for Skirmish games, so als long as the game is around those numbers it is ok


Again, that is only if you value the game over having a nice collection of minis. I’d rather buy the minis I want and play a miniature-agnostic game than pay through the nose for some popular game that spoils every few years for a new edition.


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 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 kodos wrote:

but this also depends on the army size, if you only need 5, those are more expensive than if you need 20 per unit and 5 units


Exactly why I'm never fond of PPM as a comparison. The value of a single MCP figure to me is dramatically higher than the 13 or so models I get out of a ASoIaF box set.


And I have a different idea of value. I’ve never bought any MCP minis, but plenty of CMON minis.

Frankly, your idea of value only makes sense for people who are already heavily invested in playing the game itself. For a new IP, without the benefit of popular lore or iconic character design, a new gamer would have no reason to pay so much. Until there’s an update established community, the game can’t afford to shock potential customers with sticker prices. Hook me with model design or fluff, and then maybe you can justify some higher prices. WMH is a dead game, whose prices were always too high. Starting a new edition with high prices, no community, and an untested product? That’s just ridiculous.


I don't need to be heavily invested in a game to care about the game value of the model. That's why I don't buy the Bones stuff. They have zero game value for me regardless of the PPM.


If you only care about the game value, then you are invested in the game. I only care about the minis value. I’ve probably got 39-59 restic WMH minis, and I’ve never played a game of WMH. The minis, and to some extent the setting, are valuable. The game itself only appeals to a small, insular crowd of people these days. The assumption that the game value will make a larger market of gamers buy these minis…seems doubtful.

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So can somebody more familiar with the Mk3 publications confirm something - was there ever a "Forces of Warmachine: Mercenaries Command" book? I found one reference to it online and I'd like to make sure I have all the MK2 / MK3 stuff I want before it goes away for good. I guess I had better pick up the MK3 Prime hardback too since I only have the compact version from the two player starter..

   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I was hoping for something more reasonable for an infantry dude. $17 for a named character is not great, but acceptable for the right miniature. $10 is fine for a well-sculpted resin schmo miniature that doesn’t look made out of micro-legos.

For these topographical map mofos, $5 is getting cheeky.


FWIW, if you assume out of the $200 box sets that $75 for the two jacks with all their arms plus the warcaster is the going rate, it comes to $125 for the remaining 19 figures $6.58 per schmo.


Okay, but I’m talking a la cart. If I’m forced to buy by squad, I’m looking for $2 or less per mini. $3 if the bits are useful. I won’t buy GW minis, and don’t find GW pricing acceptable for any other mini IP, possibly excepting Kingdom Death.

I suppose I’d be okay paying $7ish a mini for a royal sampler with one of each type, depending on the poses chosen.


I honestly cannot think of a game where you get 5 man squads for $10 at retail. Even like the cheap PVC stuff costs more than that.


Wargames atlantic, death fields range can net you a platoon of 24 guys for $30 from discount retailers. that can be used in multiple rule systems.

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 Siygess wrote:
So can somebody more familiar with the Mk3 publications confirm something - was there ever a "Forces of Warmachine: Mercenaries Command" book? I found one reference to it online and I'd like to make sure I have all the MK2 / MK3 stuff I want before it goes away for good. I guess I had better pick up the MK3 Prime hardback too since I only have the compact version from the two player starter..


I do not believe there was ever one for Mercs or Minions. This list seems to confirm that:

https://warmachineuniversity.com/mw/index.php/Anthology_Books#Mk3_-_Reboot


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Weird they duplicated the standard sculpt and nothing else. Particularly since we've seen a second standard bearer render

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Are they jumping the timeline forward to some degree? All the firearms look much more advanced than the earlier edition stuff, and the Cygnar guys have railguns now.
   
 
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