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 Aenar wrote:
When did we get the last article about TOW? Are we expecting one in April as well?

March 13, which means we got one article each for the last three months. Hopefully that continues. It's starting to look like a pattern, but GW has not committed to more than, to paraphrase, more articles as we get closer to release.

The interesting thing will be to see if we get anything during Warhammer Fest at the end of April and beginning of May, and if and how that affects the series of Warhammer Community articles.


Edit: Also for ingtaer, I don't think there's a link to that article in the first post yet:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/old-world-development-diary-revealing-the-weapons-of-war/

 Aenar wrote:
When did we get the last article about TOW? Are we expecting one in April as well?

I would think we might get one - but it looks like main focus will be on new edition of 40k for a bit

 Aenar wrote:
When did we get the last article about TOW? Are we expecting one in April as well?

Since they did one every month this year I would expect another one this month.

The Green Knight is the focus of 40 Years of Warhammer this week.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/05/40-years-of-warhammer-the-green-knight/


This magnificent figure was sculpted by the legendary Michael Perry. Incredibly, it was one of the first models he completed after losing his favoured hand at a battle reenactment – and it remains one of the all-time greats in the Citadel catalogue. The scalloping on the caparison is flagrantly detailed, and the weight of the steed is appreciable both in terms of the exquisite sculpting and the mass of the metal in which it was cast!

Had no clue Michael Perry lost his hand.

The year 1996 was a glorious one for Warhammer Fantasy Battle. This was the year in which the fifth edition of the game was released, a boxed set featuring brand new armies for both the Lizardmen and the Bretonnians – and with these new forces came powerful new heroes.

Spearheading a stunning new range of miniatures, the noble knights of Bretonnia came clattering in on bright-caparisoned chargers, led by the Champion of the Lady of the Lake – the mythical Green Knight. The ethereal Protector of Bretonnia would materialise from the wild places, rearing up on his huge shadow steed to batter the enemies of the realm

 triplegrim wrote:

Had no clue Michael Perry lost his hand.

Yep, he lost his right hand when a reenactment cannon he was manning misfired/exploded. Had to reteach himself to sculpt with his left hand.

 triplegrim wrote:

Had no clue Michael Perry lost his hand.

Not only a hand, his dominant one iirc. Happened while he was loading a cannon with black powder, which accidentally ignited. He got a prosthetic system subsequently, and re-learned to sculpt with his other hand.

Man, I wish I never sold my Green Knight.

I didn't realize Michael had already lost his hand when this model was sculpted. I'll never forget seeing Michael pick up my Games Day 2002 entries with his prosthetic during the Golden Daemon judging. Super nice guy, BTW.

I know they’ve both moved on but to have the Perry brothers come back to work on new sculpts would be a dream come true for me.

 nathan2004 wrote:
I know they’ve both moved on but to have the Perry brothers come back to work on new sculpts would be a dream come true for me.

Not sure how much of traditional sculpting is still done at GW.

The green knight always has been one of my favourite models, its just perfect isn't it?

Probably my favourite GW model. Even if there's more intricately detailed or more technically impressive stuff, that thing just oozes character and managed to look entirely unique amidst a whole faction of 'armoured man on horse'. I'm glad it escaped the range refresh in 6th edition. Wish everything else had.

Huh, I remember the Green Knight being the final model Michael Perry sculpted before he lost his hand; when Repanse de Lyonesse was released, WD made a big fuss over that model being the first post-prosthetic sculpt.

Of course, over twenty years of memory degradation may well mean I'm wrong.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Huh, I remember the Green Knight being the final model Michael Perry sculpted before he lost his hand; when Repanse de Lyonesse was released, WD made a big fuss over that model being the first post-prosthetic sculpt.

Of course, over twenty years of memory degradation may well mean I'm wrong.

I could look it up, i have the corresponding WD somewhere in the basement

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Huh, I remember the Green Knight being the final model Michael Perry sculpted before he lost his hand; when Repanse de Lyonesse was released, WD made a big fuss over that model being the first post-prosthetic sculpt.

Of course, over twenty years of memory degradation may well mean I'm wrong.

I remember the same - so at least if we're wrong, we're wrong together !

I know Faeit has a low ranking around here, but its a rumor at least:

https://natfka.blogspot.com/2023/03/rumors-for-old-world.html?m=1

New Base for new produced and sold Sets;
-25mm - small Infantry
-30mm - larger Infantry
-60mm - monstrous Infantry,
-30mmx60mm - Cavalry

There will be no rules for base measures, you can use your old models with their old bases. You even could use rebased Models with Movement trays for round bases.


Launch Set will be (as said) Empire vs. Orcs
Bretonia and Khemri were previews to show "those factions are not forgotten, we will bring complete new Stuff for them!"
Khemri will get the biggest range overhauls
Some older Models will return to production
First (6) Factions to get releases will be Empire > Orcs & Goblins > Chaos > Kislev > Bretonia > Dwarfs.



I can believe the bases thing, with 25mm being the smallest size for anything they release. Standard gw size creep, and will make models more stackable.

The release order may be true. Orcs have been the most common entry in starter sets, a fan favorite and especially for new entries into the hobby and younger players. Empire in the starter for obvious reasons.

The Green knight one of my favourite Bretonnian model! I like him so much that got him in metal and resin ( the later via a lot ). But I wonder why did they show off the plastic knight kit and the Grail knights aswell

Subtly building hype for TOW and new Brets haha. One can hope they come sooner rather than later.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Not sure how much of traditional sculpting is still done at GW.

2015 Adeptus Mechanicus Tech Priest Dominus was the last model to involve any amount of traditional sculpting. Everything since has been 100% digital (except for some terrain pieces and FW models).

I really like what Perry brothers created in the nineties and for LOTR but their last efforts after Middle Earth journey (couple of Empire clampack characters and VC Black Knights) were nothing to write home about.

Not sure how to feel if the base increase is true. On one hand I'm a grown adult who can happily play a friendly game of mandollies with mixed base sizes, hell it seems like a lot of historicals merely have recommended basing options.

On the other hand.... I have so many existing models that will be "wrong" ._.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Huh, I remember the Green Knight being the final model Michael Perry sculpted before he lost his hand; when Repanse de Lyonesse was released, WD made a big fuss over that model being the first post-prosthetic sculpt.

Of course, over twenty years of memory degradation may well mean I'm wrong.

It's possible for both to be true. Repanse was first he sculpted with prosthetic, green knight was first to be released. Gw doesn't always release in order models were completed.

Indeed article says specifically one of the first modeis. Not the first model...

Let me just say... Bretonians have a lot of potential for Sisters conversions- if I recall correctly, those Brets dug on the Fleur de Lys and had models representing Noble Ladies and Sorceresses.

 herjan1987 wrote:
But I wonder why did they show off the plastic knight kit and the Grail knights aswell

Imagine you joined the hobby after AoS was established. Those knights would give some context to the weird malplaced medieval knight.
And at the same time generate some easy nostalgia for the veterans. (its a really nice paintjob too )

 triplegrim wrote:
I know Faeit has a low ranking around here, but its a rumor at least:

https://natfka.blogspot.com/2023/03/rumors-for-old-world.html?m=1

New Base for new produced and sold Sets;
-25mm - small Infantry
-30mm - larger Infantry
-60mm - monstrous Infantry,
-30mmx60mm - Cavalry

There will be no rules for base measures, you can use your old models with their old bases. You even could use rebased Models with Movement trays for round bases.


Launch Set will be (as said) Empire vs. Orcs
Bretonia and Khemri were previews to show "those factions are not forgotten, we will bring complete new Stuff for them!"
Khemri will get the biggest range overhauls
Some older Models will return to production
First (6) Factions to get releases will be Empire > Orcs & Goblins > Chaos > Kislev > Bretonia > Dwarfs.



I can believe the bases thing, with 25mm being the smallest size for anything they release. Standard gw size creep, and will make models more stackable.

The release order may be true. Orcs have been the most common entry in starter sets, a fan favorite and especially for new entries into the hobby and younger players. Empire in the starter for obvious reasons.

So it's a general increase in base size overall? Interesting. I am relieved new base sizes aren't required (knock on wood), but I'm looking forward to seeing how base size affects gameplay. I might leave my old armies on old bases rather than redo them entirely if it doesn't impact much, and use new bases for a new army when I start one.

 Fayric wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
But I wonder why did they show off the plastic knight kit and the Grail knights aswell

Imagine you joined the hobby after AoS was established. Those knights would give some context to the weird malplaced medieval knight.
And at the same time generate some easy nostalgia for the veterans. (its a really nice paintjob too )

Started my journey of Warhammer with Total War: Warhammer early trailers. I was bit of on the fence to buy minis, when they started the "Great Purge" of Fantasy minis. If I was 2 months early then I have had bought a bucket loads of those knigths aswell as Tomb Kings and variuos other minis like the High elf Handmaiden.

Btw someone noticed on Facebook, that the Green Knight on the last celebration video has bigger base, then he used too.


The 25*50 mm base



The celebration video base


See the little cloth/feathers on the horses head is out of the base on the original and it is still inside the base on the celebration video.

That's a very interesting observation...Did anyone that played Brets in 8th have the Green Knight on the larger base?

The base also seems to be warped and not flush with the surface. Could that be a resin base?

 nathan2004 wrote:
That's a very interesting observation...Did anyone that played Brets in 8th have the Green Knight on the larger base?

Out of the question, that he is one a bigger base in 8th. The base size chart on the Eight edition for life forum says he is on a normal cavalry base.

https://eefl.freeforums.net/thread/611/base-size-conversion

Also I own two Green Knigths and they are both on 25*50 mm rectangles.

So its more likely, thats a 30*60 mm base. Streghten that his horses tail also not on the edge like on the old 25*50 mm cavalry base.

The warpines of the base can be basing material.

PenitentJake wrote:
Let me just say... Bretonians have a lot of potential for Sisters conversions- if I recall correctly, those Brets dug on the Fleur de Lys and had models representing Noble Ladies and Sorceresses.

My original Canoness still proudly sports a back banner pole claimed from the Green Knight himself.

EDIT: And from scrabbling deperately through Reddit (puttup) to prove to myself I'm not being Mandela Effect'd:

some guy on reddit wrote:Green Knight is released in WD 206 and Michael Perry talks about it a bit on pg 81 "Altogether it took about three and a half weeks to sculpt. It was the last thing I did before my accident, so obviously it's quite special because of that."

My WD206 went long ago... Anyone able to confirm?

 Warptide wrote:
So it's a general increase in base size overall? Interesting. I am relieved new base sizes aren't required (knock on wood), but I'm looking forward to seeing how base size affects gameplay. I might leave my old armies on old bases rather than redo them entirely if it doesn't impact much, and use new bases for a new army when I start one.

Two main effects on gameplay come to mind.

1) You get a higher attack density out of smaller bases. More attacks in a smaller area means a potential for more wounds to be inflicted.

2) Possibly more importantly, more models fall under templates when using smaller bases with the potential for more wounds to be suffered.


Then there's the undesired hobby effect of mismatching scale of minis and inability to field them together in the same unit without rebasing or some such. Which is why, if this is true and new models have larger bases, while I might play the game, I'll be unlikely to actually buy any of the minis. I imagine many others with extensive existing collections will feel the same.

Which, from GW's viewpoint, rather defeats the purpose of the release....

the simple difference between 20mm and 25mm bases and what was a gameplay reason they exist in the first place is that you get 6 model files for 20mm in the space of 5 files for 25

depending on how the rules will be for multi charges and/or if solo heroes are a thing this can be a big difference

if there is a general increase in base size, playing 20mm bases against 30mm bases won't be a thing for long

on the other side, classic magnet bases still exist (the magnetic rubber sheets) and just putting a 25mm sheet underneath the 20mm bases to put them on a tray is not really an issue
(and was already the solution back in the days were GW's 25mm bases were only 23mm wide)

 Shakalooloo wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
Let me just say... Bretonians have a lot of potential for Sisters conversions- if I recall correctly, those Brets dug on the Fleur de Lys and had models representing Noble Ladies and Sorceresses.

My original Canoness still proudly sports a back banner pole claimed from the Green Knight himself.

EDIT: And from scrabbling deperately through Reddit (puttup) to prove to myself I'm not being Mandela Effect'd:

some guy on reddit wrote:Green Knight is released in WD 206 and Michael Perry talks about it a bit on pg 81 "Altogether it took about three and a half weeks to sculpt. It was the last thing I did before my accident, so obviously it's quite special because of that."

My WD206 went long ago... Anyone able to confirm?

* Enters vault of my ancient White Dwarfs * "204, 205, 206. Here we go."

I can confirm that the quote is in White Dwarf 206, page 81, 1st paragraph.