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I had no issues getting a box from GW. Third party sellers are whole different topic, the English copies essentially evaporated the second they were available, but we could get some German ones by struggling through the server crashes of the bigger stores.

Anyone who got up later than 11:15 though? I doubt they have any chance of getting the box online.

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.

I suspect Wayland is just full of gak

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.

I suspect Wayland is just full of gak

Honestly the fact there are still people believing Wayland's stock counts after all these years floors me.

Good luck if you're in the queue. If you don't care about inflated prices and just want the models, bitsandkits has both individual models and the entire Tyranid/SM halves for preorder. Librarian for £15 is a steal

Kind of a relief to not be part of the scramble this time round

The two boxes I pre-pre-ordered were secured, and I managed to get another box at 25% off when they went live.

Went live at 12pm, and I was checked out by 12:01pm.

The silly thing is that I was on the way to a friend's house as we were gathering for a building day, and I had been stuck in traffic, so I literally pulled into a side street just before midday, waited, made the order, then got back onto the main road.

I was trying to check on the FW website for the Reaver Titan (Still waiting for it to come back in stock for my order to ship) and it dropped me into the queue :(

 Overread wrote:

You mean the less than 100 or so sent to promoters.

I would be surprised if its only 100 copies, don't underestimate all the different sources you may not have on your radar like different language channels or just blogs without a youtube/instagram presence.
But even if its 300 copies, if that average number of 60 boxes stores could order that was thrown around is true, that would still only be 5 stores worth of product which is still only a tiny fraction.

Managed to get a copy from both Wayland and the GW site, the latter being an insurance policy. Let's see if Wayland actually follow through on the order, if they do, I'll need to decide on what to do with the spare copy.

Also queues outside of GWs? What has happened to this hobby over the last 5/6 years.

I mean, I can remember queueing for Dark Vengeance 11 years ago but the difference then was scalpers weren't interested and you were just queueing for some limited stock promotional things, there was no question anyone in the queue might not get a copy.

Charax wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.

I suspect Wayland is just full of gak

Honestly the fact there are still people believing Wayland's stock counts after all these years floors me.

Waylands stock counts have been fine for years. Pretty much since they moved away from the green/yellow/red stock dots and into their live-stock website. Which is going back a few years now when they made that change.

No more is there a green light which means "in stock or might be ordered this week or next week".

Billicus wrote:
I mean, I can remember queueing for Dark Vengeance 11 years ago but the difference then was scalpers weren't interested and you were just queueing for some limited stock promotional things, there was no question anyone in the queue might not get a copy.

scalpers were interested back than as were with all the boxes as the exclusive to the box content always sold very well, just in the past the Marine content was not very good model wise to be worth it as everyone had enough tacticals
while the other part was often worth the full box price, remember when Orc Copters being core box only, re-seller were happy to buy the boxes and sell the copters at high prices and made a profit with selling everything else at 50%

Re-Seller are not the reason why those boxes sell out, neither are Reviewers, it is simply GW not producing enough to meet the demand in addition to make it the only possible way to start cheap into the hobby
if we would know that the models from the core box would be available stand-alone, like it was with the first AoS set or the Cursed City models, the problem would not be that big
but in this case, if you want to play Marines or Tyranids, this is the only chance to get the new models for cheap

We 100% know these models will be sold stand alone.

Or at least the sprue will. GW will do the same thing they did for the last edition, we will likely see 3 or so new boxed starter sets with more models in each one (esp since they did the two leaders on the same sprue).

Then we will likely also see a Partworks magazine at some point featuring Tyranids VS Imperials/Space Marines.

Not to mention things like the Gaunts which will likely get their own individual multi-part release (we've already seen the alternate guns on their profile card which are not present on the pushfit models).


Right now the only real exclusive content is the Big Rulebook cover. Almost everything else in the boxed set is pretty much all going to hit retail. We are just fighting over discount on price, nothing more



It's a good discount don't get me wrong, but we are fighting over discount not over models which won't ever appear again. Heck they'll be mass market retail within 1-2 months.

The contents will be available separately.

Just not with such discount.

Which is why gw will never overproduce them

Pre-orders aside?

I’m genuinely interested to see how openly the community embraces the new, total lack of, FoS.

I can testify for myself that a put-off for certain armies (Nids, Craftworlds) for me was how overstocked certain slots were - usually Elites.

I know formations helped that somewhat, if you could spare the CPs. But now….I can take more or less Whatever Tickles My Fancy. Sure 0-3 on everything might seem like a restriction, but given a fairly balanced force is still desirable it may not be the hindrance we might first assume.

I’m certain we’ll still see Netlists, as you can change the parameters, but you can never change Math Hammer, just it’s equation.

It’s my hope this new freedom will make the difference between a heavily number crunched list and “well this is just the gubbins that tickled my fancy” quite narrow.

Because whilst a meta will always exist, the less people feel tied to it, the better for variety.

tneva82 wrote:
The contents will be available separately.

Just not with such discount.

Which is why gw will never overproduce them

To be fair, unlike battleforces, some of the content will be available only at a massive over payment, see the sprue cost from GW for the Indomitus and Dark Imperium exclusives.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pre-orders aside?

I’m genuinely interested to see how openly the community embraces the new, total lack of, FoS.

I can testify for myself that a put-off for certain armies (Nids, Craftworlds) for me was how overstocked certain slots were - usually Elites.

I know formations helped that somewhat, if you could spare the CPs. But now….I can take more or less Whatever Tickles My Fancy. Sure 0-3 on everything might seem like a restriction, but given a fairly balanced force is still desirable it may not be the hindrance we might first assume.

Personally I never had an issue with the concept of the old Force Organisation chart, but I do agree that it was a chart built for a much smaller game and the chart never really grew to cope with much bigger and more diverse armies. At least not without breaking. Even back in 3rd and 4th ed the Tyranid elite slot felt overstuffed.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m genuinely interested to see how openly the community embraces the new, total lack of, FoS.

Certainly opens up more options. I always felt very limited by Guard fast attack slots. Now I can take 3 single scout sentinels, a pair of hellhounds, a squad of armoured sentinels, plus still have room for some rough riders or a vulture. Before I would have had to mess around with different formations, being forced to take certain tax units or something.

I miss the days when there were exclusive sculpts in boxes. Island of Blood, Dark Vengeance, even Dark Imperium. I liked having some form of uniqueness to sculpts.

The big issue was that GW then sometimes didn't release non-exclusive variants of the models after the release. The Lord of Contagion from DI is still gone, the cultist from DV only had four models released and none of the special weapon options, etc.

I also miss when these sets weren't limited so picking up cheap models was so much easier. Not that you couldn't get most of Indomitus or Dominion easily on ebay, but limited releases make it harder if there isn't a second release or if the initial release is very limited.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I miss the days when there were exclusive sculpts in boxes. Island of Blood, Dark Vengeance, even Dark Imperium. I liked having some form of uniqueness to sculpts.

The big issue was that GW then sometimes didn't release non-exclusive variants of the models after the release. The Lord of Contagion from DI is still gone, the cultist from DV only had four models released and none of the special weapon options, etc.

I also miss when these sets weren't limited so picking up cheap models was so much easier. Not that you couldn't get most of Indomitus or Dominion easily on ebay, but limited releases make it harder if there isn't a second release or if the initial release is very limited.

Those were what gw coesiders starter set aka what will arrive later


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3h and gw store still not sold out. Maybe othei stores that can predict huge amount of people should consider queue's? Wonder how hard/expensive those are to set up.

BigOscar wrote:

 xttz wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Well, element took my money, sent me an email confirmation, but the email just says bad gateway, so who knows. In the lap of the gods I guess.

I got an order complete message on Element, but no confirmation email and it doesn't show in account history. No idea if the order worked or not.

It took 10-15 minutes for the email to arrive, it has the order confirmation as the title, but the contents of the email are broken, so who knows. Clearly the system hasn't handled things well, what that means for me anyone, no idea.

I messaged their support system and they just confirmed the order has been processed and will ship on the 23rd

Worst scramble seems to be over. Queue wait time was 2 minutes and stock still there.

At least on gw's site this seems to have went surprisingly smooth.

tneva82 wrote:
Worst scramble seems to be over. Queue wait time was 2 minutes and stock still there.

At least on gw's site this seems to have went surprisingly smooth.

I hope a lot of scalpers are getting burned hard by this

Huh. Queue went away, but it was saying 10AM PDT for US/ Pacific time to order? so 1 PM Eastern?

Well the cue is gone and it doesn't appear to be sold out anywhere on the main site. So, great success?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well the cue is gone and it doesn't appear to be sold out anywhere on the main site. So, great success?

Except no doubt people will use it as proof of gw's evil plan of screwing 3rd parties over own web store.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well the cue is gone and it doesn't appear to be sold out anywhere on the main site. So, great success?

Glad that it worked out and that people wanting a copy at rrp should be fine. Has there been much evidence of scalping on this one? Have not looked at the usual sites yet.

It's definitely there but the largest amount of sellers on eBay seem to be doing singles.

Yea scalp sales out there but since rpp available not sure how much of a success scalpers get. Why buy from scalper at 4x when 1x is possible?

Is there much of a market for half swaps these days? I remember doing it back in the day, but I guess these days people instead sell half and buy a half instead of doing actual swaps?

BigOscar wrote:
Is there much of a market for half swaps these days? I remember doing it back in the day, but I guess these days people instead sell half and buy a half instead of doing actual swaps?

swaps are still a thing but mostly club only or within groups
as soon as shipping comes into play people rather just buy the half they want rather than the full box (and those who sell the stuff are the scalpers as they are not selling if for cheap with the demand being there)

I don't think it helps that the resale value of the Marine half will always be higher than the other just because of demand, so it's cheaper to just buy the xenos half online than split.