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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Nope.

Epic is, and always has been, the best thing GW ever produced.

Not you, Epic 40,000. Back in your hole! Back I say! BACK!

Bad game, dirty game, in your bed, down your hole!

Blood Bowl players would disagree with you . But would then buy you a drink and teach you the BEST game ever! Proceed to roll terribly, yell, scream and cuss until they begin to cry in a fetal position complaining about the dice gods being fickle s, have a good laugh and get up to play another match.

So what's the cutoff point for games being considered "best game GW ever produced"? My guess is 1999.

Epic fans are lucky in that by the end of 2025 there will be two other epic scale sci-fi games on the market with 8 distinct factions each. Oh and a fantasy one

Blood Bowl is disqualified for being a game I’ve played most editions of, but never really understood.

And as everyone knows, when you don’t understand something, it’s that something which is bad and wrong

But jokes aside, I was incredibly excited and enthused when they revealed that Legions Imperialis was to be largely rooted in 2nd Ed Epic.

The bones of the game (Orders, CAF, the main rules) are all there. They worked then, and they work now. Just by changing up how Orders are issued can add real distinction between forces. And the “everyone picks and reveals at the same times” adds some genuine subtlety. As does your Order determining what that unit can and can’t do that turn, as well as when really helps an alternating activation, as it can very hard to unblunder a tactical whoopsie where you failed to second guess what your opponent was going for that turn.

I do however welcome the Traits. Whilst white…crunchy, perhaps? They’re an adaptation of one of Epic Armageddon’s best bits - weapons having separate Anti Infantry and Anti Tank potential.

All these rules bring the considerations which make the game easy to play but very difficult to master. With the basic mechanics being really straight forward (I roll to hit, you roll to save, death/damage) the real thought and strategy begins with your list, then deployment, then how good you are at considering a turn or two in advance orders wise, whilst also anticipating what your opponents Orders might be.

I’m told the balance currently isn’t great, and I currently lack in-game experience to refute or confirm. But the core of the game is what appeals to me, because it’s so different.

Lets take these lines of discussion else where please and stop bumping this thread with Ot. Thanks.

40K Battleforces up for pre-order next week.

Why mention this in the AoD thread? Simple. Imperial Knight box is a reasonable start to a Questoris force.

If the Knight box is available and with indie discount...maybe. I love the Armigers but the larger Knights feel a bit too much for 40K and 30K - I'd have one and that would be it.

Does this one come with the option to arm it with a thunderstrike gauntlet as well?

The Tau set has "Gamma Wolves" written all over it.

SamusDrake wrote:
Does this one come with the option to arm it with a thunderstrike gauntlet as well?

Not if the current description is correct -

This Valourstrike Lance contains a Knight Paladin (which can also be built as a Knight Errant)

(the fist is on the Gallant / Warden sprue)

Ah, so it's just three sprues then; frame, armour and a single weapons frame.

At least the ickle ones have both loadouts, so that’s nice.

I think the Knight box is the first bundle deal that has bits for both Armiger types.

Which is really good. They could have called it quits with 2 Warglaives and 2 Helverins quite easily, with the Questoris being there as just a leadership unit.

Will need to check the Mechanicum Book, remind myself which Armiger weapons I can take in the Heavy Support slot.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Will need to check the Mechanicum Book, remind myself which Armiger weapons I can take in the Heavy Support slot.

None of those in the plastic kit if you mean the Moirax.

Bah, knickers.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think the Knight box is the first bundle deal that has bits for both Armiger types.

Isn't it the first bundle deal for Knights since the Armigers went to having both weapon sets in the box?

Last years Knight bundle, I think, was all Helverins.

I'd completely missed there was a Knight bundle last year.

Objection withdrawn.

To be fair it was an instant sell out, so it was a blink-and-miss release.

Last one had two Helverines and two Warglaives, plus an upgrade sprue (and the Canis Rex sprue) for the big Knight to turn it into any variant.

All the Questoris Knight boxes make all the Knights including Canis Rex, even the 30k boxes.

The difference is the HH bboxes come with HH era transfers.

We're talking about army deals, not regular boxes.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
All the Questoris Knight boxes make all the Knights including Canis Rex, even the 30k boxes.

The difference is the HH bboxes come with HH era transfers.

They explicitly amended the original reveal article for the Battleforces to make it clear that the sprue required to build things outer than Paladin/Errant wasn't going to be in the box - and they were fairly clear about that point in the Sunday Preview article as well.

Buy a Knight on its own, and you're correct, but not so much for the Battleforce, disappointingly.

I stand corrected, BrookM. You are correct!

Personally I think 2 of each varient is pretty good, with the Knight being minimal enough to at least command them. As well rounded a Knight force one can hope for.

Small Valrak rumour from this video
He doesn't go in depth on specific rumours, its more about that 2025 will have way bigger support for HH than 2024 with the new edition.
The two specifics he said are that plastic SM superheavies are coming and that there should be something more shown in the next few weeks, probably at the November reveal show that should be next week but could also be a HH Thursday. Probably just a resin character or something like that but still

Still going on about a new edition I see. Hasn't Valrak been saying that since before Mk3 were redone?

 Gert wrote:
Still going on about a new edition I see. Hasn't Valrak been saying that since before Mk3 were redone?

Not sure but its not like he isn't correct most of the time and its not a vague rumour since we know what would be in that new boxset (MK2 Troops and Praetor, Saturnine Terminators and Dreadnought and a gun emplacement)
And the new decal sheet also supports that rumours since the box is supposed to be Salamanders vs Iron Warriors and those are on the newer decal sheet.
Its been at least since June since thats when this post on B&C about the decal sheet connection was made
https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383105-rumor-via-cm-valrak-salamander-vs-iron-warrior-box/

Ofc GW would adapt the custommer unfriendly 3 years / edition once more...

I think its speculation based solely on the assumption that GW releases every game on a 3-year cycle, which isn't always the case...

Warhammer Quest.
Adeptus Titanicus.
Blood Bowl.
Necromunda.
Underworlds.

It would be far better to introduce a new cost-effective starter set that replaces the current £200 Marine-only monstrosity. Probably taking a leaf out of Legions' book with Marines vs Solar so its not another dull marine mirror-match.

The whole thing is just a big wishlist that people are believing because he's a "content creator".
They want him to be right because you can't buy Mk2 anymore and there's a weird obsession with Saturning that I've never understood.

The decal sheet thing is just a massive joke, one that I've gone over before. Stickers don't mean there's going to be a new starter set.

and an updated intro box might well read as a new edition to people hearing 'leaks'.. given that in 40K and AoS a new edition and a new introbox always go hand in hand.