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"Crucible of Retribution
Prepare to wage war in the Belt of Iron in a new Adeptus Titanicus expansion, Crucible of Retribution. This narrative expansion explores the war for the Belt of Iron and brings a plethora of new scenarios and rules for Adeptus Titanicus players, including the famous Legio Ignatum. This unmissable expansion will be available in hardback and ePub formats."


Narrative is great and all but without models to go along with it, meh. I'll pick it up because I want the rules for legio venator but was really hoping to see some sort of model release alongside this.



"Adeptus Titanicus: Open Engine War Card Pack
Get ready for engine war in no time with this handy pack of cards that enables you to choose or randomly generate your Deployment Map, Primary and Secondary Objectives, as well as any Planetary and Battlefield Effects in a matter of moments. You need never play the same mission twice!"


You know what, that last line encompassed the entire problem AT has with getting in fresh bodies, some games actually need to be the same twice at a core level before expanding outward. I'd rather have an actual good core matched play system and allow the terrain and objective placement and of course varying opponents to be what keeps it fresh. I really don't like this direction of release endless splashes of content all over the place, it doesn't help 30k either in terms of fresh blood. You may as well just sell us a collectors edition d100 dice with a corresponding chart of missions and call it an expansion for AT.


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 Crablezworth wrote:
You may as well just sell us a collectors edition d100 dice with a corresponding chart of missions and call it an expansion for AT.



Stop giving them ideas
   
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They need to stop dilly dallying and come out with actual chaosy mutated/possessed Titans! This could start as more mild changes easily done in resin add ons like the psi titan. Barring adding Zenso or going full epic adding narrative books with minimal content or more knights only does so much. Even cosmetic resin add ons would be nice vs a placeholder book.
   
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Noooooooooooo....its Doom of Molech all over again!

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So my buddy made a pretty apt observation about the line "You need never play the same mission twice!"

He basically said matched play is already like that and that and it's true. I feel like you need a solid core matched play and build out from there. I'm currently paintig giant alien cactusses, I don't need a random generator to help me world build or make fluff. I need a solid core game, which AT is, and a good simple matched play scenario to get blood into the hobby. It's almost impossible to even attempt that without half the fans of the game screaming the c word at you. (competitive in this case, not the other c word lol)


But ya, I may even end up liking this system at least for the cards, but as we've seen with the cards, they're never supported, it's like a splash release that never gets re-stocked and ends up on ebay at 4x the price. That's like the only downside of the ryza release, had they actually done cards for all the custom legio options, you would actually been able to have endless reusability even if it was a limited release but they couldn't even be bothered to do that.


Excited for the new book, going to order it, may even get cards if it's not just a cash grab, cautiously optimistic about legio venator rules.





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 xttz wrote:
 Crablezworth wrote:
You may as well just sell us a collectors edition d100 dice with a corresponding chart of missions and call it an expansion for AT.



Stop giving them ideas


lol, really hoping the cards are more worthwhile than the ryza ones


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Either/Or wrote:
They need to stop dilly dallying and come out with actual chaosy mutated/possessed Titans! This could start as more mild changes easily done in resin add ons like the psi titan. Barring adding Zenso or going full epic adding narrative books with minimal content or more knights only does so much. Even cosmetic resin add ons would be nice vs a placeholder book.



Agreed, the titanicus video game has a really cool chaos warlord, and I've heard from people the game looks too "mirror match" and that's a fair observation if you're coming from 40k with so many factions. Once we see chaos and blackshield stuff I'll be quite sated.


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SamusDrake wrote:
Noooooooooooo....its Doom of Molech all over again!


Molech added some amazing stuff like titan hunter infantry, but yeah, the knight stuff felt and still feels a bit niche. I'm glad there's that level of depth, the beast hunt stuff really was a cool idea.

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SamusDrake wrote:
Noooooooooooo....its Doom of Molech all over again!


Molech added some amazing stuff like titan hunter infantry, but yeah, the knight stuff felt and still feels a bit niche. I'm glad there's that level of depth, the beast hunt stuff really was a cool idea.


The hunters were indeed cool! While AT has to be careful to remain a Titan'n'Knight game, they could be a welcome exception to the rule. Maybe open up a "hidden danger" aspect to the game, and could be the focus of an expansion. Give the knights - especially castigators and armigers - command checks for perception.

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SamusDrake wrote:
 Crablezworth wrote:


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SamusDrake wrote:
Noooooooooooo....its Doom of Molech all over again!


Molech added some amazing stuff like titan hunter infantry, but yeah, the knight stuff felt and still feels a bit niche. I'm glad there's that level of depth, the beast hunt stuff really was a cool idea.


The hunters were indeed cool! While AT has to be careful to remain a Titan'n'Knight game, they could be a welcome exception to the rule. Maybe open up a "hidden danger" aspect to the game, and could be the focus of an expansion. Give the knights - especially castigators and armigers - command checks for perception.


Just bringing in reserve and outflank as a core mechanic does so much to spice tings up.

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 zedmeister wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/18/sunday-preview-warcry-goes-underground/

Odd that there’s no miniature release alongside...


That would be mainly because there are no new Titans or weapons (or even Knights) in the book.

I love the background and history, so I'll be picking it up, but I can see how some might give this one a pass.
   
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 Crablezworth wrote:


Just bringing in reserve and outflank as a core mechanic does so much to spice tings up.


Yes! There is so much potential for Adeptus Titanicus, where they can include things without straying too far from being the classic game of titans with knight support.

And in a similar fashion, Aeronautica's Arvus would be another suitable "exception to the rule". Just dying for an excuse to purchase them...

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They could bring in Airplanes - they have Models already and why do some Units have Anti-Air-Capacity.
   
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I can already see that happening soon...

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 schoon wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/18/sunday-preview-warcry-goes-underground/

Odd that there’s no miniature release alongside...


That would be mainly because there are no new Titans or weapons (or even Knights) in the book.

I love the background and history, so I'll be picking it up, but I can see how some might give this one a pass.


It doesn't seem to matter even if a book does have new units. For example, they had the cerastus variants in Doom of Molech, and then those in Defense of Ryza. There was even a bit of a wait for the Warhounds during the opening months of the game despite being in the main rule book.

But yes, it seems there is nothing new in this book as its retreading the environment conditions of Titandeath. Its a shame they didn't release Castigators with Defence of Ryza and Archerons with Crucibal of Retribution as its quite expensive for players who just want the Acherons for the ignus maniple. A similar reaver'n'castigator maniple for DOR would have gone down well if the two banners were sold separately.

Just thinking about such a maniple; it could have a trait where castigators could receive a strength bonus if a reaver with a gatling or vulcan weapon is within firing range of their target. Something like that.


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 schoon wrote:
That would be mainly because there are no new Titans or weapons (or even Knights) in the book.


They could fill the gaps in the range. For example, a Warbinger with the Belicosa, variant heads and arms of the Galing Blaster and Meltacannon. Not forgetting the Knights such as Styrix, Maegara and Atropos as well as the Asterios.

My guess is they're holding a release or two back for Christmas. It's possible that we may see a new bundle for Christmas. Previous years Titanicus bundles have reportedly done well.

For example, the Precipt maniple in the new book could herald a new bundle - We haven't seen a maniple with all four classes yet, so the Precipt could combine a Warlord, Warbringer, 1-2 Reavers and 1-2 Warhounds.

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I'm hoping for a discount xmas bundle with the newer Knights plus a brand new Warbringer.
   
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Definitely that. Could probably throw in the Sunfury Warlord too.

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Warbringer, reaver, warhound pair, set of the new Cerastus you could split it down the middle like a starter
   
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There are tons of things they could be releasing that don't involve xenos Titans or Epic elements. It just appears that any manufacturing capacity they have right now is being mostly sucked up by 40K and AoS.

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Either/Or wrote:
They need to stop dilly dallying and come out with actual chaosy mutated/possessed Titans! This could start as more mild changes easily done in resin add ons like the psi titan. Barring adding Zenso or going full epic adding narrative books with minimal content or more knights only does so much. Even cosmetic resin add ons would be nice vs a placeholder book.

My guess is this is a sort of 'stopgap' book which might've been content cut from the next book. A lot of people (including me) seem very surprised at the turnaround time for this and it might be they put it out because the next model releases (and it's accompanying book) wouldn't be out for some time and we'd otherwise have a long, long wait if they'd gone straight from Defence of Ryza to it.

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Confusing wording. I hope the preview drops today, I want to see some more colour plates.

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Aaaaaaaaaand vox blackout

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Preview article up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/22/crucible-of-retribution-titanic-tactics/

Some nice colour plates

Crucible of Retribution – Titanic Tactics

Crucible of Retribution goes up for pre-order this weekend, bringing the internecine warfare of the Cataclysm of Iron to your games of Adeptus Titanicus. This narrative expansion book offers all sorts of options, plus new narrative and Echoes of Glory missions. Today, we wanted to show you some of the coolest tricks the Titan Legions bring to the table. 



There are eight Titan Legions detailed in Crucible of Retribution, seven of which are brand-new, plus four Knight Houses. Each of them has their own preferred tactics, represented by special rules to bring them to life during your games. There are too many to get into here, so we’ll pick a few of our favourites to get your gears turning. 
Legio Tritonis – Dark Tide



The first-ever secessionist Legio seeks to overthrow their perceived oppressors, which happens to include both the Emperor and the Warmaster. Why choose a side when you can simply fight absolutely everybody else in the galaxy? They’re emboldened by acts of destruction, which is represented on the table by their unique Legio Trait.



Favouring massive Warlord Titans, the Dark Tide has nevertheless found ways to mask the movements of these gargantuan god-machines – and stay super creepy in the process. 



This should keep the heat off your Titans long enough for them to get into optimal firing positions, ready to unleash hell when the veil drops. 

The Dark Tide isn’t the only Legio from Forge World Arachnus, a planet named after the massive spider-like megafauna that once roamed around it until Legio Venator hunted them to extinction. Not scared of Titan-sized spiders? Traitors should be very afraid of these ones…
Legio Venator – Iron Spiders




Given their secessionist planetary neighbours, Legio Venator is eager to prove just how loyal they are. Their iron-clad adherence to orders and steadfast refusal to give in is reflected in their Legio Trait. 



Legio Venator Princeps work together especially closely, even pairing up into ad-hoc fighting units when needed. 



This deceptively strong trait allows you to activate your Titans two at a time, share a higher Command value, and combine your attacks into Coordinated Strikes.  

Playing it straight is all well and good, but sometimes you may feel like burning the very ground you walk on. 
Legio Kulisaetai – Gatekeepers




The Gatekeepers are infamous for their scorched earth method of warfare, leaving nothing standing in their wake. They’re merciless, cutting down their enemies no matter the cost, relishing in the rush of power with little thought for anything else. 



Having given themselves over to dark powers, some of the Legio Kulisaetai Princeps have begun to lose touch with reality completely. 



The strength of their own convictions causes them to shrug off damage and remain effective when others would be laid low, requiring a concentrated effort of fire to bring them down. 
New Maniples


Crucible of Retribution includes two new maniples, including the Ignus light maniple. It’s designed to spread confusion and disorder with Warhounds and Cerastus Knights Acheron. 



Use your superior speed to close the distance between you and your foes…



… and set everything on fire. Then, set the ashes on fire – Burn Appetit! 
Knight Houses


You’ll find four Knight Houses in the book: Col’Khak, Moritain, Gotrith, and Vextrix, each with their own Knightly Qualities.  



The bitter and resentful Knights of House Gotrith, for example, can roll on this chart (or choose one, if your opponent agrees) instead of the standard set from the Doom of Molech.



These results may not be game-breaking, but they help represent the character of the Knight Houses and differentiate them from each other.



The unusual scholar-warriors of House Moritain, on the other hand, are represented by their own rather poetic-sounding Knightly Qualities. 



House Moritain Seneschals collect titles in a manner rather similar to the Adeptus Custodes, and these three results hint at the richness and variety of their experiences. 

Along with cracking new art and background to explore, plus four narrative missions and fifteen Echoes of Glory missions for Death Worlds, Forge Worlds, and Hive Worlds, there’s loads of material to draw you in and expand your games of Adeptus Titanicus. 

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Gatekeepers have a very "not traitor" scheme + trait, which is nice. I think we'll see some very slick looking Venator maniples floating around as well

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Stygien veil seems cool, venators trait seems pretty strong.

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Well, Dark Tide’s rule to replace any reaver in a maniple with a warlord has pretty much cemented Krytos as having the weakest Legio rules. Suppose someone has to come bottom. Grumble grumble..
   
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 Crablezworth wrote:
Stygien veil seems cool, venators trait seems pretty strong.


Speaking as an Audax player who runs Lupercal regularly...yes, squadron shenanigans are *very* good. This (appropriately) isn't as strong as Lupercal, but it'll let you do some things. And it's a trait...not something that locks you into a given maniple type.


Edit: Great to see another light maniple...although it's super-niche.

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I dig it but we need another chassis and chaos titans/knights.

but I will say this, earlier on my local discord 2 people expressed interest in the game and gonna get a tutorial game set up for them. the other AT players are almost frothing at the mouth for some new blood.
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
I dig it but we need another chassis and chaos titans/knights.

but I will say this, earlier on my local discord 2 people expressed interest in the game and gonna get a tutorial game set up for them. the other AT players are almost frothing at the mouth for some new blood.


Nice, I got some buddy's coming to check out the 2k game we're doing this weekend, hopefully more new players

But ya, a new chassis would be nice and we really do need chaos knights/titans. A loyalist/traitor starter would be sick, same as the new one just chaos/renegade titans/knights on half.

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Nice preview with all the colour plates

Crucible of Retribution: The Story



The latest Adeptus Titanicus expansion reveals a previously untold tale from the Horus Heresy – the Cataclysm of Iron. Today, we’re taking a look at this conflict, which encompassed hundreds of worlds over a span of years, and some of the Titan Legions which helped to shape it.
The Belt of Iron


The Belt of Iron might sound like something Perturabo uses to keep his trousers up, but in fact, it’s a vast region of space, comprising thousands of systems across the borders of Segmentum Tempestus and Segmentum Pacificus. The name comes from the countless Forge Worlds located in the region, which warred upon each other as the galaxy fell into anarchy.

In the pages of Crucible of Retribution, you’ll find details about the Belt of Iron and some of the key Forge Worlds within it – including famous planets such as Graia, which you may recognise as a Forge World with Warhammer 40,000 rules, and Urdesh, which plays a key role in Dan Abnett’s Gaunt’s Ghosts novels.



A decade-long timeline offers information about the major battles and campaigns fought in during the Cataclysm of Iron, offering you loads of opportunities to theme both your battlegroups and your games around the events in the area. 

You’ll also find background about eight Titan Legions that fought in these engagements, including the Legio Tritonis, who eschew allegiance to either the Emperor or Horus! The Dark Tide, as they are known, seek only to defend their own domain, opening up loads of opportunities for interesting narrative play games based around them holding off both Loyalist and Traitor forces – maybe even both at once in a three-way battle!



Imperial loyalists will be able to harness the might of Legios Astraman, Atarus, Ignatum, and Venator, each with their own reasons for standing against the Warmaster – with rules for doing so in your games, of course!









If you fight for Horus, god-machines of Legios Laniaskara, Kulisaetai, and Damicium will be available to you.







Fans of smaller war engines will also be able to discover new Knight Houses to ally with Titan maniples, or to use as full Household armies with the rules from the Doom of Molech expansion. Houses Col’khak, Moritain, Gotrith, and Vextrix can each bring their distinctive look and some useful traits to your games, along with detailed background on each household.







   
 
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