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My RRI pledge was completely filled and everything was great.

I sense that some peoples hope for SPM's failure is coloring their perception of events.

KS delays are the norm.

I'll admit that I follow ND/Soda Pop/whatever perpipherally... I'm curious what portion of their crowdfunding efforts that they were involved in (whether solo or as a big name partner) were delivered without a major hitch? (as in on time or <6 months late with all rewards as promised in quantity and quality). I pledged on their dual project with Palladium (Robotech Tactics) and that is still stuck in the mud (albeit for the last 3 years solely because of Palladium) but their prior effort to that (relic knights) suffered from a lot of problems as well.

Successful Kickstarters:

* Forgotten King was delivered about 4 months late, and complete.

* Ninja All Stars was due Dec 2015, delivered a month late, and complete.

The rest of SDE/ND's KS efforts have not gone nearly as well:

* Tentacle Bento (under original "SDE") was suspended for being rapey...

* Relic Knights (under CMoN) was 1 full year late.

* RRT (under Palladium) was 1 full year late for Wave 1, not a lick of progress on Wave 2 in the 2+ years since Wave 1 delivered.

* Rail Raiders was due Oct 2016, and they only started non-US fulfillment this month, 15 months late.

* SDE Legends was due Dec 2016, currently running 14 months late, with no delivery in sight.

* Starfinder (licensed from Paizo) miniatures will be late, but they're not admitting it in the Pledge Manager.

I can't speak to WotF or RK2, as they didn't interest me at all.

That doesn't look like a great record there especially recently. Thanks for the recap.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

I can't speak to WotF or RK2, as they didn't interest me at all.

RK2 the last comment was on Jan 5: "My mom has been doing poorly for some time, and I am told there are likely only a few days left. So I'll be taking some time away, and I'm not certain when I will be back."

On Jan 17 they sent an update that boils down to "On the model side, we had a brief setback when we discovered that an incorrect mold had been made for the starter set. The generic tonnerian stalker had been made instead of Miss Kaylee. We have already corrected this, and sent a new Miss Kaylee master on to the manufacturer to get molds made. In the meantime, we are still just waiting for our slot to come up for model production to begin on the other items. Once that begins, I'll do what I can to get some pictures to share."

The starter was supposed to deliver in Feb, so they still have time.

The comments are full of people who requested refunds and are getting no response.

Rail Raiders was a total mess. They announced North America had shipped in August, but only actually shipped to most of the US. It's almost like they don't know the difference between the country and the continent, as they seem to use North America and United States interchangeably.

When I requested a refund 2-3 months later so I could just buy it at my LGS, they said they would cancel my shipment if I wanted, but no refunds. It finally arrived last Friday, 5 months after I could buy it on store shelves, 2 months after I could buy a Black Friday special from them directly.

The offer to cancel my pledge and keep my money was the last straw. Hopefully they treasure that $100, because I will never pay a single dollar for an item bearing their name again.

Ugh, I just realized they are apparently done w US shipping, but I never got mine. Wish me luck on this gak show...

 brettness37 wrote:
The offer to cancel my pledge and keep my money was the last straw. Hopefully they treasure that $100, because I will never pay a single dollar for an item bearing their name again.

Yeah, that's not good customer service when you're not even having a plan to deliver. No doubt non-US is going to suffer mightily going forward. Did you have to pay Customs / VAT when it finally did arrive?

As for buying stuff, I had only wanted the Midnight Tower stuff from Legends, but it's looking like that won't ever be produced.


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 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Ugh, I just realized they are apparently done w US shipping, but I never got mine. Wish me luck on this gak show...

Oh, that's not good. The plus side is that your stuff should have been produced, so they should be able to ship it without too much hassle or delay. Keyword "should"... Still, it's not like you're asking for a refund...

Good luck, though, you're still going to need it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 brettness37 wrote:
The offer to cancel my pledge and keep my money was the last straw. Hopefully they treasure that $100, because I will never pay a single dollar for an item bearing their name again.

Yeah, that's not good customer service when you're not even having a plan to deliver. No doubt non-US is going to suffer mightily going forward. Did you have to pay Customs / VAT when it finally did arrive?

As for buying stuff, I had only wanted the Midnight Tower stuff from Legends, but it's looking like that won't ever be produced.


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 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Ugh, I just realized they are apparently done w US shipping, but I never got mine. Wish me luck on this gak show...

Oh, that's not good. The plus side is that your stuff should have been produced, so they should be able to ship it without too much hassle or delay. Keyword "should"... Still, it's not like you're asking for a refund...

Good luck, though, you're still going to need it.

Nah, they had a shipping hub in Canada, so none of that. Being told it should be shipped "in about a week" 5 months ago kind of took any shine off that not paying extra fees may have added though hahaha

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A $20 (Plus shipping?) gamble for a mini to ship only a few months from now (!) might just generate them a nice pile of cash, I suppose...

Will also probably be a nice test for them on several things, including how possible or profitable that "cast on demand" will be.

Interesting rules. No real offensive action. The control effect has weird implications in Arcade mode.

Glad to see them doing things like this- small print run items in manageable quantities that can help inject more cash rather quickly back into the company.

Love the artstyle, will probably be happy with the final model quality...

...and then I attempt to figure out those rules and I remember why I get so frustrated with SDE's rules.

I truly do wish this game played more along the lines of Heroquest than what it currently does.

I may grab one if it helps ensure my pledges show up though.

I understand it is related to the 14 february, but I don't really like that kind of move...especially when they just put the artwork and not the actual miniature, you know...

It's sad to see they seem to go on that road of "limited for a special time only" for SDE...

Attaching a time limit/limited tag to it is a somewhat shrewd move that will 'force' more sales to happen sooner rather than later...

we've got a render for the valentine's Candy (available till the end of Feb only)

The other thing to consider with SPM is how many of their KS went to retail BEFORE fulfilment to backers. Every campaign, SPM promise that this will not be the case. Every Campaign its in Retail first. Relic Knights may have been a year late for US Backers, but for the RoW it was 18 months and sold in Retail. Rail Raiders, in Retail before Backers.
Another thing to consider is their choice or resin manufacturer. Everyone’s favourite Polish Company, PRODOS Games. PRODOS, who’ve still over 1,800 backers out of 2,200 yet to have their pledges fulfilled for AVP KS from 5 years ago. It’s been in retail so long they’ve released a 2nd edition and still over 400 backers yet to receive anything. This company, is who SPM are using to produce their resins, for RK v2 at least. Not very ethical.
Also consider what’s been happening at SPM since SDE Legends went live. To put this into context, PRODOS Games used funds from their AVP KS, to pay for their previous KS. Spartan Games launched a KS for Dystopian Wars, to receive a cash injection. Then before fulfilment, launched a new KS for Armada, again for a cash injection, and then went bust. There have been a few companies in recent years running Multiple KS and using £$£$ from the new one to pay for the overspend on the older one. With all the late and multiple KS from SPM, I’m beginning to wonder. I’ve said if they launch another KS this year, I’ll be looking go get a refund on my SDE and RK.

SPM has already done KS for cashflow - what do you think RRI, WotF and Starfinder were?

Robotech RPG Tactics has officially failed now.

TL;DR
*Supposedly Ninja Division ran a majority of this project for the parts that count.
*Palladium expected to FUND WAVE 2 with profit from RETAIL wave 1.
*Wave 2 will never exist, Exchange credit for Wave 1 material.
*Backers have to pay shipping to get product.

Relevant parts to Ninja Divison/SodaPopMiniatures:

So, we decided to contract with another company with a good reputation and experience in all the areas where we lacked direct experience ourselves. We considered a few companies, and decided upon Ninja Division/Soda Pop Miniatures. We liked what they had to say, they were knowledgeable, enthusiastic and confident, had been working with Cool Mini or Not, Games Workshop and other top-flight companies, and had been involved in 8 or 9 successful Kickstarters. Plus, they had a hit game of their own, Super Dungeon Explore, as well as having been involved with the creation of other games. When we inquired about the company, industry people spoke very highly of them and the products they had worked on.

Ninja Division was brought on to do the heavy lifting: Build and run the Kickstarter, select the manufacturer/broker in China, choose the manufacturing process, choose the type of plastic, provide Palladium with the cost estimates, handle logistics and deal with all the ins and outs and many, many nuisances of manufacturing in China. Ninja Division was also to create the game and hire talented sculptors and artists to create the 3D sculpts, cards, design elements, packaging, and essentially create the game and the Kickstarter from the ground up, or as they liked to say in those early days, “handle 90% of everything.”

Also another tidbit

In theory, by making and releasing the Wave One products to the retail market, we could sell enough of them to produce Wave Two rewards. Even if Palladium saw little or no initial profit from it, we figured we would make up for it with later sales as the game line grew and found its place in the market. Not ideal, but it seemed like our best choice at the time.

After getting free work from Paulson and completely screwing him over, Palladium decides to lay the blame of their failed project on Ninja Division as well. Ninja Division recently got out of their abusive relationship with CMON, no need for Palladium to kick a recovering horse.

SPM/Ninja Division's role in this thing was over a long long time ago.

Best to keep PB's mess out of this thread and in their thread, and concentrate on SPM's actual news, rumors and issues in this one.

I think Ninja Division has already over a year now accused them of been in a state that they will never be able to deliver because they decided to do it their own way instead of allowing them to handle it like they should.

wasn't there at leas one "heated argument" between Ninja Division higher stuff and Palladium on the robotech updates?

ND should respond to what PB is saying about them, either to confirm or deny.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Successful Kickstarters:

* Forgotten King was delivered about 4 months late, and complete.

* Ninja All Stars was due Dec 2015, delivered a month late, and complete.

The rest of SDE/ND's KS efforts have not gone nearly as well:

* Tentacle Bento (under original "SDE") was suspended for being rapey...

* Relic Knights (under CMoN) was 1 full year late.

* RRT (under Palladium) was 1 full year late for Wave 1, not a lick of progress on Wave 2 in the 2+ years since Wave 1 delivered.

* Rail Raiders was due Oct 2016, and they only started non-US fulfillment this month, 15 months late.

* SDE Legends was due Dec 2016, currently running 14 months late, with no delivery in sight.

* Starfinder (licensed from Paizo) miniatures will be late, but they're not admitting it in the Pledge Manager.

I can't speak to WotF or RK2, as they didn't interest me at all.

WotF delivered wave 1 (the game). They're currently showing off progress on wave 2 (the resin minis used to replace the card standees).

Relic Knights 2 doesn't look like it is in trouble. I'm expecting some delays on it, because I just always expect some delays, but so far nothing seems like a big deal.


As for the others- when is Starfinder supposed to deliver? Because those minis are all resin- the timetables aren't the same as they are for Chinese manufacturing.

Rail Raiders has now completely delivered. The worst of it was simply the ROW delay- it is always worse waiting when someone else already got their stuff. But now that I have my stuff, I don't care that it was late.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
ND should respond to what PB is saying about them, either to confirm or deny.

I don't know that they need to. I mean, Palladium isn't really saying anything substantial about ND.

In other Palladium excuse posts, he claimed that he thought ND was supposed to do more than they did (for example, they told him that he shouldn't ignore his backers so much).

From what I can tell, he wouldn't listen to ND, so they fulfilled their legal obligations and got out of there.

 odinsgrandson wrote:


Rail Raiders has now completely delivered.

Good for you, mine has never appeared and I can't get a response from them.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
ND should respond to what PB is saying about them, either to confirm or deny.

Nah. Nothing will be gained for them by wading back into the Palladium swamp again. Besides, as you've pointed out, they've gak their own bed several times and have yet to fully clean the sheets. It's better that they concentrate on their wholly owned mess.

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This new resin, multi-part model is a must-have to anyone's Super Dungeon collection! This raider is sure to dominate any field upon which he enters, bellowing his war cry as his massive mount does the same! Their noise will echo through the dungeons and their presence will fill any board or display case!
The Tusk Raider has arrived!


oh and the Twilight Knight crossover with Kingdom Death is back in store too

Had they been able to deliver SDE Legends, I might actually care about the walrus rider.

 warboss wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
ND should respond to what PB is saying about them, either to confirm or deny.

Nah. Nothing will be gained for them by wading back into the Palladium swamp again. Besides, as you've pointed out, they've gak their own bed several times and have yet to fully clean the sheets. It's better that they concentrate on their wholly owned mess.

Actually, they'd learn a lot about how backers react when you pull the rug out from under them. Mark my words, a year from now, if SPM pulls the plug, it'll be the same kind of vitriol