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Obispudkenobi wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
As much as I like that model, GW still somehow managed to make me tired of seeing and hearing about it.

I was about to post “same here” because I totally agree with the second part of your sentence but then it occurred to me that I don't even like the model, really. I like the aesthetics of the model’s design — i.e., I like that a Sister of Battle looks like a Sister of Battle. but I don't want a diorama or a statue, I want a gaming miniatures. Why Sisters cant have normal release is really a puzzle.

This is just extra to the normal release that’s coming. Seems an odd thing to gripe about an optional early extra model.

You have to see that Sister Iveseenyoubefore has the same problem as Celestine and Veridyan. Special edition models of all descriptions are fine if they actually have an army to go with, but the longstanding Sisters problem is the complete lack of an up to date model range for the shiny special model to go with.

I'll buy her (I've had my local store reserve one for me already), not the least because she's based on my favorite Sisters artwork, and I have no problem waiting for the army release that GW has officially announced and is therefore sure to happen, but no amount of positivity about this model will make that one glaring problem go away that Sisters have had for the past fifteen years. Sisters need a model range to allow you to build an army. Nothing that happens until then is of much consequence, no matter how pretty or hyped up.

Sisters do have a model range it's had one for years and it's available right now at GW.com

You have a funny idea what an up to date model range looks like.

 Geifer wrote:

Obispudkenobi wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
As much as I like that model, GW still somehow managed to make me tired of seeing and hearing about it.

I was about to post “same here” because I totally agree with the second part of your sentence but then it occurred to me that I don't even like the model, really. I like the aesthetics of the model’s design — i.e., I like that a Sister of Battle looks like a Sister of Battle. but I don't want a diorama or a statue, I want a gaming miniatures. Why Sisters cant have normal release is really a puzzle.

This is just extra to the normal release that’s coming. Seems an odd thing to gripe about an optional early extra model.

You have to see that Sister Iveseenyoubefore has the same problem as Celestine and Veridyan. Special edition models of all descriptions are fine if they actually have an army to go with, but the longstanding Sisters problem is the complete lack of an up to date model range for the shiny special model to go with.

I'll buy her (I've had my local store reserve one for me already), not the least because she's based on my favorite Sisters artwork, and I have no problem waiting for the army release that GW has officially announced and is therefore sure to happen, but no amount of positivity about this model will make that one glaring problem go away that Sisters have had for the past fifteen years. Sisters need a model range to allow you to build an army. Nothing that happens until then is of much consequence, no matter how pretty or hyped up.

Sisters do have a model range it's had one for years and it's available right now at GW.com

You have a funny idea what an up to date model range looks like.

You know one is coming this year so why are you banging your chips about it? You will have new shiny upto date models in less than six months .

Voss wrote:

ERJAK wrote:


Not really. You could do the entire army in 4 kits and some clampacks. A deathguard size release would be enough for a half dozen new characters and a handful of new vehicles.

They will ABSOLUTELY have new units because they pretty much have to. If they come out with nothing new there will be no reason for new players to start the army (it certainly won't be for rules) and there will be no reason for grognards to replace their metals unless they just desperately want new plastics. Not to mention that buying more than about 2500pts total EVER would be largely pointless as every playable/collectable model is covered by that range.

They'll be left with collectors, allied detachments, and older players slowly replacing their stuff. With all the hype and investment they're putting in this releasr, that would be massively disappointing.

Random overpriced characters struck me as a given. Don't care.

As to the rest, I really disagree. New players have always started new armies when new kits come out, and GW makes loads of cash from grognards replacing metals (or, say, paints) with shiny new ones.
I foresee another 'stock issue' sales run, even if they do the bare minimum + characters.

They've been doing rather well with it for the last couple years.

1 infantry kit is absolutely not going to cover all the weapon options, signifiers and assorted gubbins.

1 infantry kit absolutely could cover 3 special weapons and 3 heavy weapons. Especially for 60$. Whether or not they choose to make you buy 4 kits to make a Retributor squad is a bit more up in the air.

Well duh, they're gonna have a stock issue sales run, and then sales tank when people realize it's pointless to buy more than the bare minimum, grognards realize there's no reason to rush out and replace the rest of their old metals, and everyone realizes the army doesn't really work.

If they want to create sustainable long term demand, then they need more options than the currently incredibly anemic codex has to offer.

Especially considering how terrible the rules are going to end up being. The beta codex did NOT set a good precedent for the army.

I think it will be interesting to see how big they end up making the SoB release. IF they were just doing the minimum, with as risk adverse GW can be, we'd see Seraphim, Retributor, Battle Squads, Rhino++ , and a Canoness... but doing just those would be less like the Death Guard release and more like the Skitarii release, before the Cult Mechanicus. You start adding in what the fans see as essential and you have repentia, penitent engines, archoflagellants, and the ministorum stuff. Just with this you're looking at 6-7 full kits, and a bunch of character models. Most of the new releases we've seen since 8th have been pretty concise... but just releasing in plastic the existing SoB stuff would be a release as big as the CSM release. I don't know about all of you, but I'd like to see some new units too... and I don't mean the inevitable buffing terrain, shrine.

I think it will be interesting to see what GW does with the Ministorum units/characters. A lot of stuff was spun out into these characters and small sized units from the inquisition days, and if they don't get new models they likely won't be in the codex and while you might still be able to use their index or beta rule incarnations, its likely you'd then have fewer army rules helping them. With GW's current mindset I doubt they'd ever just give us the generic guys in robes kit that lets you build out all these different Ministorum guys.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think it will be interesting to see how big they end up making the SoB release. IF they were just doing the minimum, with as risk adverse GW can be, we'd see Seraphim, Retributor, Battle Squads, Rhino++ , and a Canoness... but doing just those would be less like the Death Guard release and more like the Skitarii release, before the Cult Mechanicus. You start adding in what the fans see as essential and you have repentia, penitent engines, archoflagellants, and the ministorum stuff. Just with this you're looking at 6-7 full kits, and a bunch of character models. Most of the new releases we've seen since 8th have been pretty concise... but just releasing in plastic the existing SoB stuff would be a release as big as the CSM release. I don't know about all of you, but I'd like to see some new units too... and I don't mean the inevitable buffing terrain, shrine.

I think it will be interesting to see what GW does with the Ministorum units/characters. A lot of stuff was spun out into these characters and small sized units from the inquisition days, and if they don't get new models they likely won't be in the codex and while you might still be able to use their index or beta rule incarnations, its likely you'd then have fewer army rules helping them. With GW's current mindset I doubt they'd ever just give us the generic guys in robes kit that lets you build out all these different Ministorum guys.

We know they’re doing the Penitent Engine, it was mentioned in the bulletin with the vehicle details and they showed a head from the pilot.

ERJAK wrote:
Especially considering how terrible the rules are going to end up being. The beta codex did NOT set a good precedent for the army.

Is it too late to just ask for the Index back? Please?

I'm cautiously optimistic about the size of the new sisters range, given the size of the Death Guard release and GSC, GW has shown some real investment in none Loyalist Marine lines. Plus theres always a second wave potentially like with the Cults.

Just saw that according to Wayland Games RRP for Amalia is 20 pounds.

Not shocking or surprising, really, so just for the record.

Full squad up at WC - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/08/battle-sister-bulletin-part-11-battle-sisters-ahoygw-homepage-post-2/

They look pretty nice, and dynamic posing too.

It's a bit odd that battle line sisters can have storm bolters and Primaris marines can't but hey ho.

(Edit: I'm aware that sisters with storm bolters isn't new, but I guess I'm surprised they didn't at least make it look like it needed the arm to be reinforced or the gun to have ground support or somesuch, given storm bolters are supposed to have too much kickback for a marine in power armour to hold unless it's special and mastercrafted or somesuch.)

If Inquisitors are part of this army then I will buy in. If not...glorious chaos!

Just in time for them to improve the price of the core boxes without actually rising it [/sarcasm]

 The Phazer wrote:
Full squad up at WC - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/08/battle-sister-bulletin-part-11-battle-sisters-ahoygw-homepage-post-2/

They look pretty nice, and dynamic posing too.

It's a bit odd that battle line sisters can have storm bolters and Primaris marines can't but hey ho.

(Edit: I'm aware that sisters with storm bolters isn't new, but I guess I'm surprised they didn't at least make it look like it needed the arm to be reinforced or the gun to have ground support or somesuch, given storm bolters are supposed to have too much kickback for a marine in power armour to hold unless it's special and mastercrafted or somesuch.)

I'm not up to date with the current rules but why would the primaris want them other than for asthetic reasons? Isn't there already an equivalent with one of the bolt rifle variants?

As for the sisters themselves, those are some faces only a God-Emperor could love! Regardless, the models themselves overall look quite nice.

These renders (and accompanying text) seem to indicate that there won't be a lot of customizing minis here, aside from "helmet" and "no helmet", unless I'm missing something?

Probably easier this way given all the flowing robes, tabards, etc. but still slightly disappointing.

After spending a weekend with death guard models, the robes and details make me wonder if the Sisters will be like DG- a limited number of alternate builds for each body. (At least not without a knife and trial and error). I'm also expecting a sprue/sprues of 5, doubled in the box, rather than 10 entirely unique Sisters.

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As for storm bolters- nope. No bolt rifle equivalent of Storms (yet). Longer range, more Ap for base gun, single shot with yet more AP or assault version. Nothing that can produce 4 shots per gun.

What surprises me is the painted bolter is all drilled out. I'm wondering if that is going to be typical, or if its conversion work. All of them have side depressions, but the storm bolter barrels at flat in front.

Sisters have the baked in excuse of the De'az pattern bolter profile being designed for their use - so a storm bolter that is based on such a paradigm would be required to meet that need as well. Certainly expensive, but the Ecclesiarchy does not want for money.

As for the new models, my first reaction was that they appeared 'thicker' than the hero model - which has noticeably longer legs than the old metal sisters models - but on closer inspection I think the GW picks might be stretched a bit, so I'm not really sure.

I'm really liking the poses they've given them! It might cut down some on the alternate builds, but at the same time they really look outstanding. Full of motion and energy and when they stand to pose they are choosing some really iconic poses for them to hold.

There's arn't warriors just standing around or on parade they are marching and charging into battle bolters firing!

Happy with all of these - money ready

I like them. The render of the burning heretic looks odd, and it's probably not something I want duplicated in an army. That's bound to cause extra work as I doubt there's a tactical rock alternative in there (won't complain if there is, though).

 Alpharius wrote:
These renders (and accompanying text) seem to indicate that there won't be a lot of customizing minis here, aside from "helmet" and "no helmet", unless I'm missing something?

Probably easier this way given all the flowing robes, tabards, etc. but still slightly disappointing.

Unfortunately that was a given. Ten years ago GW would have tried to make them a little more modular, which is hard enough with those robes. These days, there's simply no chance of that happening. But hey, you have head options and can turn those heads whichever way you like on your monopose models. Huzzah!

I certainly hope they at least made ten discrete models, and not just five that get doubled up for a ten man squad.

It's such a silly thing to do on GW's part. Armies keep getting bigger, but at the same time the ability to create different poses so it's actually desirable to have that many models is on the way out.

They're really lovely, I like the painted miniature showed :



Will definitely buy them !

I'm very worried about duplicate poses within/across squads after seeing those renders.

If every flamer Sister is standing on the same burning corpse, that's going to look terrible.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Sisters have the baked in excuse of the De'az pattern bolter profile being designed for their use - so a storm bolter that is based on such a paradigm would be required to meet that need as well. Certainly expensive, but the Ecclesiarchy does not want for money.

As for the new models, my first reaction was that they appeared 'thicker' than the hero model - which has noticeably longer legs than the old metal sisters models - but on closer inspection I think the GW picks might be stretched a bit, so I'm not really sure.

It's worth keeping in mind that GW's photographers have a habit of picking the worst possible angle for their shots. I'm pretty sure that all new Sisters were designed using the same CAD assets and will have the same aesthetic.

Not to forgot, models and renders don't show the same thing. The final picture of the actual model looks normal to me.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I'm very worried about duplicate poses within/across squads after seeing those renders.

If every flamer Sister is standing on the same burning corpse, that's going to look terrible.

Put the flamer on a bolter sister and bolter on the flamer sister and remove the charred corpse.

 Alpharius wrote:
These renders (and accompanying text) seem to indicate that there won't be a lot of customizing minis here, aside from "helmet" and "no helmet", unless I'm missing something?

Probably easier this way given all the flowing robes, tabards, etc. but still slightly disappointing.

TBH I could stomach the limited poses despite my preference for more customisation, were it not for the fact that several of them are far too "iconic" for their own good. Looks like a minimum of two "tactical footrests" per squad, and if it's as much of a pain in the arse to swap the arms as it has been on many recent GW kits then most Sister Superiors will also be striking exactly the same pose. Bog standard firing, aiming, walking, running etc poses might not have quite as much pizazz as the "heroic" ones, but it's also expected that most of your models will look like the former so a few small variations(different head, change the angle of the head, armswap where practical, change the angle of the arms where practical, etc) goes a long way. Trying to differentiate the more striking poses takes a lot more work.

Aesthetically, the models are bang on, very pleased. Suspect I'll be less pleased when we see the pricetag

Is anyone else suspecting these might be for a special box rather than actual standard Sisters sprues?

Perhaps from a new starter box featuring these special pose sisters vs Chaos to mark the release of the new army?

I’m expecting them to drop August bank holiday.

Got nothing to back that up. Just a gut feels.

N'Ferno wrote:
Is anyone else suspecting these might be for a special box rather than actual standard Sisters sprues?

Perhaps from a new starter box featuring these special pose sisters vs Chaos to mark the release of the new army?

You could very well be right. They might be sculpts for a Shadowspear style box.

 warboss wrote:
As for the sisters themselves, those are some faces only a God-Emperor could love! Regardless, the models themselves overall look quite nice.

I actually sort of dig that ^^


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 Alpharius wrote:
These renders (and accompanying text) seem to indicate that there won't be a lot of customizing minis here, aside from "helmet" and "no helmet", unless I'm missing something?

Probably easier this way given all the flowing robes, tabards, etc. but still slightly disappointing.

Probably helmets and arms and basically that's it, yeah

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

N'Ferno wrote:
Is anyone else suspecting these might be for a special box rather than actual standard Sisters sprues?

Perhaps from a new starter box featuring these special pose sisters vs Chaos to mark the release of the new army?

You could very well be right. They might be sculpts for a Shadowspear style box.

Nope, text implies it's the squad box:

Another point of note is that this particular Battle Sister is wearing a helmet – you’ll be pleased to know that each model in the kit can be assembled with or without a full helm.

More likely than not, there will be a piece of scenery or a separate leg that can be used to cut down on the Sister with Flamer being duplicated too heavily.

I'm liking what i'm seeing of these, though i'm hoping there are at least 2-3 distinct sprues for this kit. 5 different leg poses only seems like it might not be enough. I thought the one with the wooden banner thing would be a clampack model and not on the main sisters sprue. That thing will take up a lot of space I think.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Nope, text implies it's the squad box:

Another point of note is that this particular Battle Sister is wearing a helmet – you’ll be pleased to know that each model in the kit can be assembled with or without a full helm.

You are probably right, but it’s not unprecedented for monopose or easy to build minis to have a choice of heads.