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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Winged Warriors next?

50/50 chance they'll conjure up a new winged bioform that doesn't interact with the winged Prime in any meaningful way. They shouldn't miss the opportunity to miss this opportunity.

Plastic shrikes would be lovely though. And a Malanthrope while they're at it.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
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Time was, Lightning Claws had to be wielded as a pair, and only on Terminator armour. Basically their mass and nature required highly specialised training.

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Used to be that Thunder Hammers were so violent that only a Terminator could weird one without being knocked over by the recoil from an impact.
Now you have regular power armour bodies wielding giant two handed thunder hammers like it’s nothing.

Thanks, Dawn of War!

 cuda1179 wrote:
Sister of Battle getting a new Fast attack option.

Interesting. I hope it is bikers. Badass biker nuns should be a thing.

Kung fu CB Mamas on Wheels vs Aztec Motorcycle Wrestling Nuns.

Did…did I just have a stroke? Or has someone done to me what I enjoy doing to the rest of Dakka?

 Crimson wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Sister of Battle getting a new Fast attack option.

Interesting. I hope it is bikers. Badass biker nuns should be a thing.

Sacresant Cavalry would be cool too - I was planning on converting some, but I'll wait to see whatever this is first.

If we’re talking about Sisters, I’d like them to bring back bolter Celestians, with the chain-bayonets.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Valrak rumor: Doomrider returning. Sister of Battle getting a new Fast attack option.

Which is amusing if you read that as a single statement...


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
[old]

Time was, Lightning Claws had to be wielded as a pair, and only on Terminator armour. Basically their mass and nature required highly specialised training.

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I don't know about RT, but in 2nd ed they didn't have to be wielded as a pair, they were just "normally" wielded in pairs... but aside from Bjorn, the only models that had them were dual-wielding terminators until the Chaos codex arrived and added the option to take them as singles.

Sisters should get trikes with a driver and a mini shrine platform on the back with a heavy weapon and gunner

 Crimson wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Sister of Battle getting a new Fast attack option.

Interesting. I hope it is bikers. Badass biker nuns should be a thing.

Surely Penitents that have decided [i]been decreed[i] to redeem themselves by servitorisation into a cyber-horse?
Maybe an option for pairs that didn't turn on each other during questioning.

Saw a leaked lore excerpt from the upcoming White Dwarf that referenced Doomrider in a brief bit on Wazdakka crashing a perpetual Death Race on a planetary battle between Khorne and Slaanesh forces, anyone know if that's what Valrak was talking about, or is it the soft launch for what he heard is coming later? (Assuming the latter if his source also mentioned Sisters)

I'd love to see GW do some new chariots/bikes for Slaanesh; esp as they've lost their demon chariot model*


*Which personally I think is a very cool model (barring those insane plastic whips) but never really felt right in the 40K setting to me. One or two yes but there should have been a sci-fi version with some demonic guns or such. Or beefier blades or such since there's a lot of heavy armour in the 40K setting

 Overread wrote:
I'd love to see GW do some new chariots/bikes for Slaanesh; esp as they've lost their demon chariot model*


*Which personally I think is a very cool model (barring those insane plastic whips) but never really felt right in the 40K setting to me. One or two yes but there should have been a sci-fi version with some demonic guns or such. Or beefier blades or such since there's a lot of heavy armour in the 40K setting

Daemons still have them, and got a whole 1DP detachment focused on them. They're just not an option for the Emperor's Children.

 Nevelon wrote:
In the Q&A thing they mentioned that some weapons might have stats tweaked because of the change. Heavy Flamers obviously not one of them..

As far as I understood, they said they would tweak flamer stats once codices come out, but not address the problem right away.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Saw a leaked lore excerpt from the upcoming White Dwarf that referenced Doomrider in a brief bit on Wazdakka crashing a perpetual Death Race on a planetary battle between Khorne and Slaanesh forces, anyone know if that's what Valrak was talking about, or is it the soft launch for what he heard is coming later? (Assuming the latter if his source also mentioned Sisters)

Valrak does directly reference that issue of White Dwarf (came out last week) and incude a scan of it in his video. The Doomrider mention there also includes Slaanesh chariots, so maybe the EC Daemon-roster is expanding to re-include seeker chariots, or perhaps EC champions will get to ride on one as their mounted option.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Saw a leaked lore excerpt from the upcoming White Dwarf that referenced Doomrider in a brief bit on Wazdakka crashing a perpetual Death Race on a planetary battle between Khorne and Slaanesh forces, anyone know if that's what Valrak was talking about, or is it the soft launch for what he heard is coming later? (Assuming the latter if his source also mentioned Sisters)

Valrak does directly reference that issue of White Dwarf (came out last week) and incude a scan of it in his video. The Doomrider mention there also includes Slaanesh chariots, so maybe the EC Daemon-roster is expanding to re-include seeker chariots, or perhaps EC champions will get to ride on one as their mounted option.

Hah, shows how up to date I am then. Appreciate that. Perhaps a bit pie in the sky, but it would be nice if seekers in general saw a refresh across the board to bring them more in line with the Exalted Seekers, if not in size but dynamism.

 insaniak wrote:
I don't know about RT, but in 2nd ed they didn't have to be wielded as a pair, they were just "normally" wielded in pairs... but aside from Bjorn, the only models that had them were dual-wielding terminators until the Chaos codex arrived and added the option to take them as singles.

Don't forget the Harlequin Shadowseer with one Lightning Claw

 KidCthulhu wrote:

Don't forget the Harlequin Shadowseer with one Lightning Claw

No, that's a tricksy space elf! In RT, despite the claws it was introduced as just a power glove. It was later listed in the catalogues as just a 'power weapon'. Harlequins never had the option to take lightning claws.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
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Time was, Lightning Claws had to be wielded as a pair, and only on Terminator armour. Basically their mass and nature required highly specialised training.

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No I refuse to believe that I'm that old, too. Nope. Oh no... memories.. 3+ save on 2D6... can you hand me my tartan blanket, and my walking frame please?

Slightly off the current conversation (apologies) but I'm flip flopping between completely binning this box off and going full retro, painting everything up like the 2nd Ed box and getting the 2nd Ed 3D terrain STLs from Doctor Spork.

[old]And they hit like a Powerfist, but could Parry.

Eeeeh, those were the days, when being a Terminator meant something. Specifically squeaky bum and possibly new pants please time for your opponent.

Happy days, halcyon days.

Damn kids.

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I'll just politely smile and nod as you guys discuss rules from before I was born...

Wartrakk rules. Seems... well, hopefully its cheap.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pwjpxpeu/new40k-da-trakk-is-back/

Help help! I’m being suppressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

Slapping Suppressed seems rather useful. Game winning? Probably not on its own, no. But -1BS on the right unit could help preserve your Boyz quite nicely.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Help help! I’m being suppressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

Slapping Suppressed seems rather useful. Game winning? Probably not on its own, no. But -1BS on the right unit could help preserve your Boyz quite nicely.

Important distinction. It's -1 to hit, which means it doesn't stack with cover.

Apologies, old brain not used to modern specifics.


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But I do note that whilst you need to hit with at least one Rokkit to trigger it?

Warhammer Community wrote:Hitting is a big deal too, as the Indiscriminate Detonations of rokkits and shootas going off around your target is enough to keep their heads firmly down in the trenches. It’s hard to aim when death is mere inches away, and combined with the benefit of cover, a Space Marine will be hitting only as often as your average Ork Boy!**

It does stack with the benefit of cover.

If of course the article is accurate. Sadly, that’s not a given.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Apologies, old brain not used to modern specifics.


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But I do note that whilst you need to hit with at least one Rokkit to trigger it?

Warhammer Community wrote:Hitting is a big deal too, as the Indiscriminate Detonations of rokkits and shootas going off around your target is enough to keep their heads firmly down in the trenches. It’s hard to aim when death is mere inches away, and combined with the benefit of cover, a Space Marine will be hitting only as often as your average Ork Boy!**

It does stack with the benefit of cover.

If of course the article is accurate. Sadly, that’s not a given.

They already told us cover gives a -1BS modifier, so yes it'll stack.

Cover is -1 BS isn't it? So it does stack with "-1s to-hit"

It's a complex web of what stacks and what doesn't lol based on minor linguistic changes that normally don't mean much

Oh right. I keep assuming Cover is a roll modifier, not a stat change.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Galas wrote:

I also dislike weapon homogeneization outside certain cases (I can accept power weapons being power weapons with an exception for heavy power weapons, ala power first/thunder hammers, and lighting claws because lighting claws are awesome).

I could accept lightning claws as power weapons if there was a dual wield profile for power weapons in general that mostly applied to claws.

Accursed Weapons [/CSM]

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

But I do note that whilst you need to hit with at least one Rokkit to trigger it?

Not just Rokkits. The Shoota can trigger it as well.