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Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That list has been doing the rounds for a while now. The only question mark is that we've not seen any hint of spells in the big leak that happened a short while back for Bonereapers (though it did confirm the terrain). The lack of terrain and spells for both orruks and cities was an oddity and could have been linked to the trade issues in the past that plagued sylvaneth or might just be blind luck - though it was odd, esp for Orruks which one would have thought would have been a totally normal Battletome.

I'm not entirely convinced the free cities book isn't just GWs way of giving all those models a fond farewell before the embark on bold new directions for the mortal forces of order. Which is why no spells or terrain.

I think if GW were doing that they'd have just released a big "Legends" update. Giving them a Battletome for 2.0 confirms that they will hang around. Now they might do it a bit like they've done with Legions of Nagash and steadily over time release updated armies (new models and using existing ones) that focus on specific groups of species/factions within the Cities block. Much like how Nighthaunt and Bonereapers are "poaching" units out of Legions of Nagash steadily and a likely Vampire based battletome could easily take another big chunk of vampiric and skeleton warriors out of the block as well.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That list has been doing the rounds for a while now. The only question mark is that we've not seen any hint of spells in the big leak that happened a short while back for Bonereapers (though it did confirm the terrain). The lack of terrain and spells for both orruks and cities was an oddity and could have been linked to the trade issues in the past that plagued sylvaneth or might just be blind luck - though it was odd, esp for Orruks which one would have thought would have been a totally normal Battletome.

I'm not entirely convinced the free cities book isnt just GWs way of giving all those models a fond farewell before the embark on bold new directions for the mortal forces of order. Which is why no spells or terrain.

I have a sad feeling that you’re probably right. And that they’ll be simply maintained or even wound down going forward.

Then again, I’m hoping that Overread is right.

 Overread wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That list has been doing the rounds for a while now. The only question mark is that we've not seen any hint of spells in the big leak that happened a short while back for Bonereapers (though it did confirm the terrain). The lack of terrain and spells for both orruks and cities was an oddity and could have been linked to the trade issues in the past that plagued sylvaneth or might just be blind luck - though it was odd, esp for Orruks which one would have thought would have been a totally normal Battletome.

I'm not entirely convinced the free cities book isn't just GWs way of giving all those models a fond farewell before the embark on bold new directions for the mortal forces of order. Which is why no spells or terrain.

I think if GW were doing that they'd have just released a big "Legends" update. Giving them a Battletome for 2.0 confirms that they will hang around. Now they might do it a bit like they've done with Legions of Nagash and steadily over time release updated armies (new models and using existing ones) that focus on specific groups of species/factions within the Cities block. Much like how Nighthaunt and Bonereapers are "poaching" units out of Legions of Nagash steadily and a likely Vampire based battletome could easily take another big chunk of vampiric and skeleton warriors out of the block as well.

That sounds about right.

Lets also not forget that most AoS armies didn't get much anyway this time around. Daughters of Khaine, Idoneth and a few others still don't have any Endless Spells/terrain features.

Meanwhile many armies often only got one new model IF they were lucky. Even a massive army like Skaven, who are very popular, and who had a lot of early new sculpts actually made (just on the wrong mould); and thus could have been reworked into new moulds;only got one new model.

AoS needs updates for almost every army. Old established ones like Seraphon and Skaven have a large legacy of old finecast, metal and plastics to update; whilst armies like Fyreslayers and Flesheaters need way more models adding to bolster their diversity and range of models.


GW just can't give them all a big update. Even some of the bigger updates like Slaanesh were limited (Slaanesh got some fantastic models, but almost all were leader class with only one updated troop sculpt in the fiends - nothing new).

Everyone wants a Gloomspite level release, but GW can't give every army that. Instead we'll likely see updates rolled out just like 40K is getting now for Chaos and Eldar. Both big block releases and drawn out staggered "campaign" releases like Eldar are getting.



I can't see GW wanting to rock the boat and remove whole swathes of armies and models from 2.0 AoS. It would dilute the good will and consumer confidence that they've had to restore since its launch.



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Also Cities update!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/02/converting-the-cities-of-sigmargw-homepage-post-3/

Idoneth did get terrain, and just about every army from Soul Wars onwards got either spells, terrain, or both. I don't think either will be squatted, but I do think we won't see either orruks or CoS developed much till they get all their new and exciting plans out of the way. With Ogors coming up, the only "old" army left to refurb is slaves to chaos too, and unlike orruks, StD is kind of pivotal to the plot.

Cronch wrote:
Idoneth did get terrain, and just about every army from Soul Wars onwards got either spells, terrain, or both. I don't think either will be squatted, but I do think we won't see either orruks or CoS developed much till they get all their new and exciting plans out of the way. With Ogors coming up, the only "old" army left to refurb is slaves to chaos too, and unlike orruks, StD is kind of pivotal to the plot.

Slaves have also had 6 brand new blocks of infantry added through Warcry with 2 more to come. They've also had the furies updated and raptors added, again through Warcry. Plus there is the new chaos beast being shown off which likely will be either Beasts of Chaos or Slaves as well. So Slaves should be a pretty epic release on its own.

And yes Slaves is the LAST big update for AoS. Thereafter there's forces like Seraphon and KO who need a new Tome for 2.0, but are unlikely to get anything beyond spells and terrain. Sadly I don't think we'll see them until 2020 and its going to be a bit of a squeeze to fit Ogres in at the end of the year after the big release of Sisters of Battle in November. Though I really hope Ogres DO make it in this year as that ends the year on a really great position of only 1 outstanding ancient army to update (Slaves)

 Overread wrote:
And yes Slaves is the LAST big update for AoS. Thereafter there's forces like Seraphon and KO who need a new Tome for 2.0, but are unlikely to get anything beyond spells and terrain. Sadly I don't think we'll see them until 2020 and its going to be a bit of a squeeze to fit Ogres in at the end of the year after the big release of Sisters of Battle in November. Though I really hope Ogres DO make it in this year as that ends the year on a really great position of only 1 outstanding ancient army to update (Slaves)

Shout out to Tizz, from me over here getting ready to go all limited edition battletome up on it.

 Overread wrote:

Also Cities update!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/02/converting-the-cities-of-sigmargw-homepage-post-3/

Of course my dude Ben Johnson went for the Steam Tank army!

Some of those really make this feel like a placeholder book. Midnight especially- I have no idea what some of the bits in those conversions are even from.

The Tempest Blades unit, not shown and described as 'monastic' Greatswords that never flee doesn't fit the look of the current kit or its rules.

 Overread wrote:


I can't see GW wanting to rock the boat and remove whole swathes of armies and models from 2.0 AoS. It would dilute the good will and consumer confidence that they've had to restore since its launch.

Except... they literally just did that in preparation for this book. They removed roughly 1/3 of the kits available to the 'free peoples' or whatever you want to call them. I don't know how that wouldn't qualify as rocking the boat and removing whole swathes.

Following up with tiny releases reinforce the idea that there isn't much confidence or movement in either system. Given that we've come around to the end of the codex/army book cycle in both editions I'm at the point that I don't want to buy anything (especially books), since I don't know what will get replaced, and what will get wildly revised rules, what will not get rules updates despite desperately needing them, or just get dropped. Its a weird stage for both games to be in.

In other news, anyone else notice the Hurricanum gets +1 to cast if the battle is taking place in Azyr? We always knew it was inevitable but mayhaps the fluff will bring war there sooner than we thought. Personally I was guessing it would happen for 3rd edition, but maybe it will be a part of Forbidden Power instead.

 Overread wrote:
I think if GW were doing that they'd have just released a big "Legends" update.

Though with Cities now out, we're probably still due for a big Legends update anyway for Empire, Dwarfs, High Elves, and maybe even Wood Elves. I wonder how long until those come out and if they'll come with points? Since this book set my Dwarfs back even farther, I'm now looking forward to Legends especially since GW said they'd be getting points in the future.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
In other news, anyone else notice the Hurricanum gets +1 to cast if the battle is taking place in Azyr? We always knew it was inevitable but mayhaps the fluff will bring war there sooner than we thought. Personally I was guessing it would happen for 3rd edition, but maybe it will be a part of Forbidden Power instead.

Technically war has happened there even during the Age of Chaos. If I recall right Orks had already invested some regions and Stormcast had to settle issues with other races/species as well. Skaven also had a back door into the realm for a long while though I don't think they did much save spy

 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
In other news, anyone else notice the Hurricanum gets +1 to cast if the battle is taking place in Azyr? We always knew it was inevitable but mayhaps the fluff will bring war there sooner than we thought. Personally I was guessing it would happen for 3rd edition, but maybe it will be a part of Forbidden Power instead.

Technically war has happened there even during the Age of Chaos. If I recall right Orks had already invested some regions and Stormcast had to settle issues with other races/species as well. Skaven also had a back door into the realm for a long while though I don't think they did much save spy

NEVER FORGET Sigmar's genocide of the Azyr orcs!

 Overread wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Idoneth did get terrain, and just about every army from Soul Wars onwards got either spells, terrain, or both. I don't think either will be squatted, but I do think we won't see either orruks or CoS developed much till they get all their new and exciting plans out of the way. With Ogors coming up, the only "old" army left to refurb is slaves to chaos too, and unlike orruks, StD is kind of pivotal to the plot.

Slaves have also had 6 brand new blocks of infantry added through Warcry with 2 more to come. They've also had the furies updated and raptors added, again through Warcry. Plus there is the new chaos beast being shown off which likely will be either Beasts of Chaos or Slaves as well. So Slaves should be a pretty epic release on its own.

And yes Slaves is the LAST big update for AoS. Thereafter there's forces like Seraphon and KO who need a new Tome for 2.0, but are unlikely to get anything beyond spells and terrain. Sadly I don't think we'll see them until 2020 and its going to be a bit of a squeeze to fit Ogres in at the end of the year after the big release of Sisters of Battle in November. Though I really hope Ogres DO make it in this year as that ends the year on a really great position of only 1 outstanding ancient army to update (Slaves)

I agree, I think Slaves will probably not be as big of a release as most are anticipating because of the 6 new Warcry bands (plus 2 more on the way), the new Cyclops, and new Chaos Furies/Raptors. The Chariot, Warshrine, Marauder Horsemen, Manticore Lord, Daemon Prince, and plastic heroes are all pretty new. I imagine what will happen with Slaves is Everchosen will be folded into StD, all the new Warcry bands will have rules, as will the Furies/Raptors/Cyclops. I imagine the new releases will be something along the lines of Endless Spells, A terrain feature, a new Chaos Warriors/Varanguard on Foot Kit, maybe a kit of Darkoath infantry, and a character or two. Honestly I think that would be a pretty complete and diverse army.......the only thing that absolutely needs an update are the very dated Chaos Warriors, especially as they are one of the most iconic things in Warhammer.

Future War Cultist wrote:

I have a sad feeling that you’re probably right. And that they’ll be simply maintained or even wound down going forward.

Then again, I’m hoping that Overread is right.

I actually hope I'm right, and my greatest hope is a development in the storyline where order humans don't always work with Sigmar or his sigmarines, and that make their own way in the world(s).

Likewise, I've been waiting since the beginning for new styles of mortal.humans, as I've never liked aesthetic of the empire, and was.something that kept.me.away from classic warhammer.fantasy.

One thing I recognized : you can take warrior priests and such as allies and some cities units profit from their auras.

Copied over from the other thread it looks like the throne is due for release “soon” along with a Skyshrine?



I wonder what the exact contents of the stormthrone will be not sure this picture is an accurate reflection of the kit

Astrolithic Skyshrine sounds exceedingly Seraphon-y.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/07/lords-of-the-ossiarch-bonereapers-revealedgw-homepage-post-2/

New Reaper article

Liege-Kavaloi are mounted generals, which are a generic leader unit (take as many as you want up to the leader limit).

However of them there's a hero Arch-Kavalos Zandtos who is the mighty guy we saw in the hazy leak photos





The article also confirms that both those leader options are built from the same kit. For me this is fantastic as I really liked that mounted lord so to have one not just as a hero, but also having a generic option is great!

There is also specific mention that "Nagash, Arkhan the Black and Morghasts can all be included in an Ossirarch Bonereapers force" at the end of the article. It doesn't mention in what capacity, but it confirms what we've seen in the leak photos, plus also suggests taht Arkhan is the only mortarch present.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/07/lords-of-the-ossiarch-bonereapers-revealedgw-homepage-post-2/

Definitely appreciating a multi build kit.

I wonder if there's any optional parts available for the generic ones. I notice he's got a pile of spikes on his back where the hero has his sword instead.

Now if they'd only bother releasing them!

I'm glad there's a warrior generic leader, the other leader models that we've seen appeared to be a bit more magical based (though the reaper might not be). So having a nice generic fighting model as a leader is a great thing.



I also wonder if having a cavalry leader this means we might see more mounted units in the future, esp since right now there's only one mounted troop option (which appears to have either swords or spears)

The greyish bone on the named guy's horse is a lot more flattering than the beige bone color we've seen so far.

Love these guys! They're perfect.

Also small detail I just noticed - the two mounts not only have different heads, but the feet are also different. The hero has a more clawed foot whilst the generic has hoofed feet. That suggests that the foot part is glued on so that could make for some interesting posing options. Also easy but of customising to mix and match the two (hind hooves, fore claws)

Amazing kit! The second one looks like hes saying "TO THE NEIGHBOURS!!! ONWARDS!!!"

To be honest the only reason I kept my VC army from fantasy was to use Nagash and actually the only reason I’ve got legions of Nagash as an AoS force. But this new death army is really catching my attention and I think may be my first official “new” AoS army if I can use the big guy as well

I like it, but the generic guys horse standing on not one but two tactical rocks looks a little weird.

Love him. Really well designed in my eyes, tons of detail yet it doesn't feel too busy. The mount looks exotic without being silly, the armor & weapons really carry the Nagash aesthetic, and the model looks like a martial commander. My favorite of what they've previewed so far.

 aku-chan wrote:
I like it, but the generic guys horse standing on not one but two tactical rocks looks a little weird.

Aye, I thought that.


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The genetic character is pretty cool though.