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So I wonder what the Pistoliers are like now?

Mods do gang modding? Where can I download that vid?

My concern about the clockwork horse is rather odd...it looks too much
like a real horse. I was expecting something more Dave McKean or more
staticky strange.

Maybe they can make robotic versions of the MC Hammer pants...

Stop! Hammerzeit!

"Kann dies nicht berühren!"

Oh, snap, Hordak, exalt for you brother! EXALT! Those archers won't have to reach for to apply the "poison" to their arrows... not far at all...

I can't find my Dogs of War Armybook, but according to Wikipedia, Leonardo was from Tilea (Miragliano to be specific) and then went to work for the Empire.  So we're both right  .  

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilea#The_Once-Mighty_Principality_of_Miragliano

Posted By Infantryman on 12/03/2006 9:13 PM
So I wonder what the Pistoliers are like now?

I got to spend an informative hour with my FLGS preview copy today.

Pistoliers are still fast cav, 19pts, and can have musicians, and get an 'outrider' instead of a 'marksman'.  They no longer have fusillade.  They are no longer a good one-punch close combat unit, but still excellent flankers.

Outriders are fast cav, 21 pts, and can have musicians.  They are armed with repeater handguns.  The unit champ may take a repeater pistol, or a hochland Long Rifle, or a grenade blunderbuss (16" range, S6, move-or-fire).  They can have barded horses, but stop being fast cav.

One nice thing- flagellants are rare choices, but for every warrior priest in your army, you can take one as core... so with Volkmar as your general, and warrior priests filling up the hero slots, that's 4 core flagellants and 2 rare flagellants, leaving only my special slots empty... maybe some cannons?

Yowza. The Unbreakable Army.

And they have continued the trend that started with the O&G army book, that is, no more of this 'takes up a Lord and a Rare slot' nonsense. Special characters take up lord/hero slots and that is it. And there are no '0-1' unit restrictions... if you want to fill all your special slots with Greatswords, you are free to do so... which means you can take 2 steam tanks as your rare choices.

And another trend that I dislike- putting the beauty plates at the end of the book, rather than in the middle.  It just makes the book that little bit more inconvenient to use, having to thumb back through all these pretty color pictures to find the summary page.

How are they flankers?  They've one, maybe two handweapons...  

They are fast cav. That alone makes them flankers... you know, they get around the flanks of the enemy? Steal march moves, shoot things in the back, charge in on a flank to negate rank bonuses, that sort of thing. You wouldn't want to throw them into the front of a ranked unit, is what I'm basically saying. When they still had Fusillade, you might have considered doing so, especially against low T, low AS troops.

Hm...well, true. I had forgotten hiting the flank dosn't allow rank bonuses to the enemy -- one of THOSE days.

I dont' like the outriders cus of their move/fire weapons -- seems counter-intuitive for cavalry...

I think they will be fun. Repeater Handguns = 3x multiple shots: 5 outriders = 15 shots. Stick that on a flank and let the enemy try to ignore you.  Run it into the backfield and ruin the day of his warmachines.  Or move in front of a unit, I'm-doing-the-classic-bait-and-flee-tactic, and when he charges, stand and shoot.  Then give the evil laugh, Bwahahahaaa!

I'm to thinking they'll be a tad expensive to throw away like that--21 pts each...

Is Empire still able to take ogre allies as rare choices?

Just like in the new O&G army boook, there is no entry for Dogs of War in the Empire Army Book. I don't know if this means they are allowed or not. But I'd rather take Leadbelchers than a Volley Gun, now.

I'm guessing they're gearing up to redo the DoW book -- with a list of who can take and who cannot take each unit for each entry.

So whats so bad about the Helblaster? Dosn't seem too bad really... *has never used his before *

By the way you can only ever have one core unit of flagellants. Flagellants are only T3 now. I am still not very sure how useful they are. Unbreakable is awesome though if you need to hold something up!

The Hellblaster isn't such a knee jerk weapon now. It doesn't automatically hit, so therefore isn't as useful against skirmishers and such... as it should be. It is still a great weapon, but not the must have it was.

*a wave from across the sea*

Hey Gang!  It's LtCraggs... for those of you who remember me.

First of all, if GW did come out with a new DOW book, totally AWESOME!  As one of the... well... as far as I know, the only DOW player on the forum, it would be freaking nice if I could just play with one book, instead of about 10 or so different White Dwarfs.  Hopefully, they'll drop the whole "generic" DOW aspect, and go back to the army of Regiment's of Reknown

Also, Birdmen of Catrazza are a Regiment of Renoun, available to DOW armies as well as Empire armies.  And they really suck.  If you need some fliers, really bad, the Birdmen are some really bad fliers.

Anyway, onto some quick questions and thoughts:

It's good that they've lowered the price of the rank-and-file, but... how is an Orc with light armor, shield, and choppa cheaper than a human with light armor, sword, and shield?  Also, what good is it to make Halberdiers cheaper, if they still... well... blow?  (Did they improve what a Halberd does?)

Okay, only 1 outridder can have a repeater pistol?  Can the Pistolier Marksman still carry a Repeater?

Multi-Musket is Move-or-Fire, is still a huge thing to make your opponent wonder about.  It's on the equal of the Galloper Gun.  The Galloper Gun is a glorified macrotechnic pop-gun... but who wants to get enfulade fire from a cannon.  Move the Outridders to a flank, and now your opponent has to send something with some movement against the outridders.  Else, they can play "can't-catch-me-I'm-the-Gingerbread-man-games."

Did they improve the Long Rifle any?  As it was in 6th, it just wasn't worth it.  If it caused d3 wounds, then it would be something to consider.  Else, you'd still need like a 4-pack of Long Rifles to even get them to give you 1 wound a turn.

And, for those of you who still like the idea of a reniscience army, the DOW / Regiments of Renoun still have a lot of that feel.

Lt Craggs

 

No direct comparisons of unit cost vs unit cost. It is how it works in the army overall. Empire also has a lot more nasty shooty and detachments. It just doesn't stand to a direct comparison.

I didn't explicitly look, but I think only the outrider champ can have a repeater pistol, along wth other options. Pistolier marksman's only option is the repeater pistol.

I agree about the outriders. With that range, and that firepower you just can't let them get into position or they will do damage.

Long rifle isn't improved, and I didn't look at the cost, but I always take a couple. I think they are well worth it. Great for bagging wizards, champions and heroes.

I cannot believe this...GW has boned us again! The rather decient deal with one 20 man core and one 10 man detachment box for 45 is a LIMITED thing! GAH! What are they trying to prove, jacking up the price like this every time? Now we are stuck with 10 man boxes for 22? More expensive than the old set!! And I accually liked those new plastics too...

Pardon me while I strip ebay of all the Empire Soldiers/Spearmen I can find; helfury appears to have dissapeared again, leaving our deal severed I think.

The new box has a lot more stuff in it. Not a huge problem in my book. I would rather pay 22 for 10 than $44 for 20 and I like all the stuff in the kit. Easier to buy them as detachments and such. I will be using them to front out the regiments I already have of the old style.