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Posted By brettz123 on 11/21/2006 12:54 PM
He does carry the lion sword after all.......

...well, A sword, anyway.

If we start going by the books then that means Horus was EMO. Do you really want to play a game based around some angsty rich kid who wanted revenge on his father for never hugging him when he was little? No. I didn't think so.

And whats even worse then we would have to consider those god aweful C.S.Goto DoW books. I blocked the memory of reading those out of my mind for a reason.

Does anyone have positive confirmation that these are actually supposed to be Captain models as opposed to a Honorguard unit or Veteran Sergeants?

And wasn't the book not from Cypher's point of view, but from another high ranking member of the Dark Angels?

Also weren't the seeds of distrust sown early when Lion showed distrust in the chapter members that were originally recruited from Terra by the Emperor? Lion had the newer members of the chapter watch them, and basically relegated them to unimportant duties while the marines he had recruited went on important missions? Wasn't there something else about part of the chapter not coming to the others aide?

It was all very interesting stuff. I like it. Been playing since the old RT days, so it fit with the black and red DAs I still field to this day. I play them as Dark Angels, but they are considered fallen by the true "green" Dark Angels.

Posted By insaniak on 11/20/2006 12:15 PM

Posted By Elusive71 on 11/20/2006 9:41 AM

The Dark Angels drew their recruits from all over the place, so maybe those particular marines featured in Deathwing were drawn from a people who were culturally similar to Native Americans, while the chapter as a whole was monastic in nature.

That was one of the problems with the Deathwing story... Despite the Dark Angels drawing their recruits from numerous planets, their entire 1st Company is apparently all from the same one...

Elusive71, I've had enough of your buffoonery! I happen to have my *ahem* .pdf file of Deathwing right here and on page 4 it clearly states that they solely recruited from the "Plains People":

"'Our world is ended; our time is done,' said Weasel-Fierce. His words tolled like great, sad bells within Cloud Runner’s skull. Weasel-Fierce was right. Their entire culture had been exterminated.

The only ones who could remember the world of the Plains People were the Marines of the Dark Angels. When they died the clans would live only in the Chapter Fleet’s records. Unless the Dark Angels broke with tradition and recruited from other worlds, the Chapter would end with the death of the present generation of
Marines."

So at that point in the development of the Dark Angels' backstory, GW was portraying the entire chapter as being made up of recruits from a world peopled by Native American-esque tribesmen.

Here's another interesting tidbit-

From the first page of the story:

"Cloud Runner gazed on the wreckage of his home and felt like weeping. He closed his eyes and took three breaths, but when he looked again, nothing had changed. He turned back towards the dropship Deathwing."

From the last page of the story:

“'Semper Fideles,' said Cloud Runner. 'You must take back the suits. They belong to the Chapter.'

Broken Knife nodded.

'Perhape a favour. In honor of our dead, leave the suits the color of Deathwing. The deeds of our brothers should be remembered.'

'It will be so,' replied Broken Knife.'“Deathwing will be remembered.'”

Elusive71, I was simply trying to find a happy medium that could reconcile the seemingly conflicting imagery.

Oh, well in that case Elusive71, I commend your efforts.

Well there you go then...

It has been a while since I read Deathwing, so I was obviously confusing later fluff with the recruiting from other worlds.

Just a quick question, was that PDF of the original Deathwing story? Or the more recent re-print?

It's a pdf of the original Deathwing manual. Shhh...

 

Thanks floating lazer duck head thing! Once again I am proven right in all things.

Next up, demonstrating how the White Scars are a total retcon who have nothing to with the original concept.

Where are my souldrinker squads?

The DA are just very paranoid, they have the traits of there primarch, the SW are like a pack of wolves, Thye are loyal, fierce and boastful, but always loyal to the emporor and to there primarch. The DA are suspisious by nature as there primarch was also very paranoid. Yes his upbringing had alot to do with it, he was alone through his childhood and hunted so that made him not trust things and people. Like Horus said he was a wild animal, Russ was found by wolves and then humans, Wolves and human share certain characteristics, Loyalty, social structure and a pack mentality. they look out for there own.

Elusive is Sybil. Cute.

When were the Whitescars not mad mongols on bikes, hopped up on goofballs?

Posted By Jester on 11/21/2006 5:00 PM
 

When were the Whitescars not mad mongols on bikes, hopped up on goofballs?

I will have to take you back a long way in time, to when I was but a boy and Chapter Approved the First Book of the Astronomicon was canon.

In those days the White Scars specialized in jump troops not bikes.  And there was not a mongol to be seen.

But then GW had to go and mess it all up. 

there were some other inconsistancies, for example the Ultras were a 3rd founding chapter who lived on Dune and had a half eldar librarian.  But those days are gone now, they happened in Universe B before the Great Crisis.

I miss the Field Police. And the Squats. And Mohawkked Space Elfs.

I just want them to bring the Mole Mortar back.

And Eldar Pirates that looked like regular eldar, but better painted armor and niftier tactics. And could ally with Ork pirates and even rogue Space Marine pirates. Yarrrr! Space Piratry!

Also, Russ read a lot of Beowulf in his day.

What superhuman space viking hasn't been rivetted to the floor of the space longhouse with the tale of King Hrothgar's bar and when Beowulf stole those magical green beans from the baby troll's mom?

Posted By Jester on 11/21/2006 8:18 PM
What superhuman space viking hasn't been rivetted to the floor of the space longhouse with the tale of King Hrothgar's bar and when Beowulf stole those magical green beans from the baby troll's mom?

I sure have.  Whoo smokies!  What a story.

Semper Fideles? Are they Space Marines or United States Marines?

the Uniteed states wishes they had Space marines.

We're working on it.

what in area 51?

Posted By brettz123 on 11/21/2006 12:57 PM
I have to disagree with this.... what an awesome way to hide a powerfist >

Well, if there's one thing the Dark Angels love, it's hiding the power fist!

Posted By beef on 11/22/2006 1:33 AM
the Uniteed states wishes they had Space marines.

In all fairness, I would think just about any country wouldn't mind a chapter or two guarding them really.  Good for morale, but the costs associated with it...oh mama.

Posted By beef on 11/22/2006 1:33 AM
the Uniteed states wishes they had Space marines.

Tell me again why we wish we had space marines?

They'd be redundant...

Posted By Jester on 11/21/2006 8:18 PM
...and when Beowulf stole those magical green beans from the baby troll's mom?

Beowulf as told by Brian Fellows.

true the US has Chuck, they dont need anybody else, Chuck for president/