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See, this is the first I've heard of your dissatisfaction. If you'd just contacted my service department for a refund, and sent my post back to me with a SASE, you would have been fully reimbursed.



Awesome, we're off to a truly pathological start. Defense mechanisms up and locked.



The base? You mean basis? Yes, the basis of my argument was what you said. Now you've changed the story... So, ok, clearly I shouldn't base my arguments on things you say. I was fooled by your cunning debate tactic of saying one thing, then changing it later. Jeez! I was such an idiot!



No, I'm saying it IS a trivial amount. I'm also saying your rights haven't been violated, i.e. you're not right. In terms of your proximity to reality, that places you a full two hops distant.

As far as ways to look at life, some people suggest that you "don't sweat the small stuff." I'd urge you to consider it.

See, when I do contract work, I charge at least $50 an hour. If it takes me more than 20 minutes to get the $15, I'm really not going to worry about it. It's simply beneath my bill rate. If I spend an hour not worrying about it, and instead getting some work done, I'm $35 up. Actually, since you're not going to get your stupid $15, I'd be $50 up.

Or, who knows. Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe you should fight for your rights. Don't tread on me, right? The Founding Fathers fought, bled and died for your rights. I bet George Washington is rolling over in his grave knowing that an American patriot is being stripped of his God given and inalienable right to a free $15 miniature, based on poorly thought out, semi-literate arguments that only he understands.

It's in the Bill of Rights somewhere.



I think this is a variation of the "if you said this to my face, I'd kick your ass" attack that everyone on the interwebs finds so terribly impressive. Present company TOTALLY INCLUDED.

But, I assure you I'd tell you the same thing in person, only you wouldn't realize you'd been made fun of until you were driving the ol' minivan back home, at which point you'd be savaging your dashboard with all the cunning retorts you should have come up with at the time.



This keeps getting more and more special. I have half a mind to call the Internet Lunatic Workshop and personally THANK them for producing so fine a product.



ZOMG! Is Halliburton selling little plastic men? Dude, GW is not a "major corporation." Are you reading what you write? GW didn't refund the portion of your White Dwarf subscription you think is appropriate, and you're talking about being oppressed by corporations and by the President and Vice President of the United States. Telling you that you have a persecution complex is not calling you names, it's a statement of fact.

If I was calling you names, I'd call you Captain Persecution Complex. And I'd be correct.

GOD DAMN YOU DIEBOLD!



There's really no discussion, and this is the case for two reasons:

1) You have no genuine basis to complain.
2) You will never, ever entertain that fact.

But, to demonstrate to you how totally true item 2 is, let me quote the GWUS policy on Cancellations and Returns...

"Please note that we cannot offer refunds on: Magazines and periodicals."

As it so happens, White Dwarf is both a magazine AND a periodical, often at the same time. Technically GW didn't have to refund your subscription at all. Given that they did, you should feel blessed by their generousity, right?

No, of course not. They're working for the Illuminati, damn them.

You, sir (or madam), are a true internet gem. Please take this post as a perfect opportunity to respond, preferrably at great length.

Good thing I am living in europe, there they are forced to refund, and actually they have to give him the mini for free even if he cancelled. They tried the same stunt over here ONCE and got a hell of an answer from the court.

And with regard to your argument. Cool down, there are two barking up the wrong tree.

Posted By Kingzilla on 01/28/2007 9:00 PM

Actually, I didn't renew, I began another subscription after a few years. So technically I am correct.

Well, GW has never been very good with writing rules that actually say what they mean...

Posted By Kingzilla on 01/28/2007 9:00 PM

Yeah, I have a complex of not wanting to be screwed by major corporations

Seriously now.  I don't think GW really qualifies as a "major corporation".  I mean as far as corporations go they're relatively benign - it's not like they've killed anyone that I'm aware of (unless you count the fat guy who got stuck in the air vent).  Of course that's not exactly a ringing endorsement and I'm not saying GW is a paragon of virtue, but when GW releases products of questionable quality no one dies as a result.  Yeah, some of the shenanigans they pull are a bit aggravating, but they've done a lot worse than charge someone $15 for a "free" promotional model after he basically returns the product it was being used to promote.  I mean really... you sound as though they had sicced the Pinkertons on you.

Or maybe I'm just jaded and this kind of stuff just seems like small potatoes compared to the other stuff they pull.  It's been a really long time since anything GW did actually made me angry.  Meh.

Posted By Phryxis on 01/28/2007 11:31 PM
The Founding Fathers fought, bled and died for your rights. I bet George Washington is rolling over in his grave knowing that an American patriot is being stripped of his God given and inalienable right to a free $15 miniature, based on poorly thought out, semi-literate arguments that only he understands.

And by a British company no less!  No taxation without representation!

Hey, give me a minute, I need to go get another... beverage. anyone want one before the topic is locked?

*Clink*
Here's to an entertaining read.
Hopefully, GW's "Market Strategy" would have a clause like "Players named John Christopher Gabriel Kennedy from Ireland will be refunded the cost of all models previously bought, and all future purchases will be at 99% discount"
That'd be nice.

Phryxis,

  I'm so hurt, tears are rolling from my eyes. So far in the response length category you have won sir. I don't have enough insults and put-downs in my "internets vocabularies" to even meet the challenge of your zinger/burn might.

   It's hard to not have defense mechanisms when you attacked me  and insulted me right away in your first post. Tell me why I shouldn't be defensive??? Your last post cooled me down, so thank you. I think I am beginning to understand you and your position (the parts I can make out inbetween the insults of course).

  I did apologize to you for gettting my terms mixed up regarding beginning and renewing the subcription, even without insults. Please re-read, and your right, the term is basis not base. It's hard to think clearly when I'm being insulted. 

  So you think it is trivial, and I should shut up, and be grateful that I can even get a refund: what part of FREE MODEL do you not get? Stop changing the subject and just answer my question? FREE MODEL is what  it was advertised as. The type of logic you are using is so Orwellian, your trying everything you can to change the subjet by using personal attacks, to going out of your way to brand me as a "conspiracy theorist". You are trying everything you can, even flying off the handle (which you accuse me of), trying to marginalize ME and my issue with GW. What logic are you using?  Limbaugh and Hannity would be proud.  I also like how you got off the subject and used the Deibold thing (Off the subject, If you actually  researched how screwed up and how easy it is to screw around with their machines, you might not use it so lightly.)

 I'll address you regarding your 2 main points but first answer me 3 questions without insults please:

    1) How should I have reacted to GW, when they decided not to give me half my subscription back by taking 15$ off for the "free model offer"?

  2) Why do I not have a basis to complain when the advertising specifically stated and let me repeat is again as a "free model"? (Regardless of their non-refund policy)

   3) What is your vested intrest in spending a good part of your post insulting me, degrading me, and marginalizing me? Insult me for being "paranoid", but do you work for Games Workshop?

 

Usually people wait till there post count is a little higher before they start to create this much of a stir.

Wow. People are getting really upset here, and no one's mentioned Battlewagon Bits yet even. ESPECIALLY NOT ME.

And how can you say that GW is benign? Every space marine plastic figure is mined from ecologically destructive production facilities in the Congo, using slave labor captured by warlords, who use the profits to wage terror campaigns against innocent civilians. Don't you know anything? "Blood Angels" indeed.

Wait, that's not right...let me get back to you on that...

For my part, the differentiation between people beginning a subscription vs renewing one sounds pretty meaningless, and I doubt even GW would argue too hard that people renewing subscriptions had a different level of eligibility for the free model offer than people starting fresh.

On the other hand, their stated policy of no refunds on magazines also sounds pretty clear.

I think Kingzilla has at least some basis to be annoyed, though the level of anger expressed in the first post hurts him a bit in the credibility department from the get go. I expect that it would be hard to get a reasonable response and accommodation from GW if I sent them that email, or called them up and ranted to that degree. I think Phryxis responded to this tone in kind, and both of you escalated from there. Regrettable but not incomprehensible. If you could both try to take a step back and ask the other person first to be a bit more reasonable next time you see a post which makes you want to react like this, it would be cool.

Thread done.