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1) Going back to the Mega-Nobz bit, have you thought about Orking up some Terminators? 5 to a box and with some good ork bit, they could really annoy some marine players.

Meganobz are all right, I guess.

If he wants to follow your idea, I'd suggest waiting till the 5th ed box set comes out. Then he can get Termies to convert plus a bunch of boyz and some koptas for a bargain price.

2) Have you considered a Big Mek with a Kustom Force Field? Throw him into a unit of Boyz in a trukk and you've got some protection for, well, everything within 6 inches.

A Big Mek in a Trukk will not protect squat. If he's in a vehicle, he's not on the board, and if he's not on the board, no KFF for your boyz.

But the truck is open-topped. Doesn't he HAVE to be on the board?

Actually, that's a good question... maybe I'll go voice that one in You Make Da Call.

Doesn't matter if it's open-topped or not. In a vehicles = the model is not on the board. It can shoot or use shooting powers (if the vehicle is open-topped or has firing ports), but it is otherwise not considered on the board, and you can certainly not measure range to/from it.

Which is a shame. I can't help wishing there was a way to get a more mobile KFF.

why does that rule exist? It seems kind of, um, stupid.

What, was that the easiest/laziest solution to vehicles not actually holding their capacity?

I imagine it was to stop things like Eldrad roaming the battlefield in a Falcon dispensing Doom/Guide/Fortune wherever he pleases.

@ GoreMaul

Hey they were some pretty good conversion ideas for the terminators into MegaNobz. I field my orks in trukks and tigeus is completely right, KFF doesnt work in a vehicle, it doesnt exist. KFF grants you cover saves, no cover saves in vehicles. I have been thinking about lootas and true, 1-2 terminators will drop after 30 shots, but think:

15 Lootas = abit over 200 pts (cant list exact points)
30 shots, on average, exactly 20 will hit (5+ to hit)

12 Boyz = abit over 70 pts (cant list exact points)
On charge, 48 attacks, 24 hits (4+ to hit)

Both ways, terminators will still get 2+ armour saves, but you could get 3 packs of 12 boyz for the same price as Lootas
I personally would get Boyz. I havnt even listed the slugga attacks before going into assault

Tankbusters are also pretty good, having a squad of 15 is alot safer than having PKs running around the battlefield

Something i am definetely going to get next is stormboyz and Boss Zagstrukk (i think thats how you spell it). Awesome special rules!

Oh and i keep forgetting to list my army lol! Here it is:

Evil Sunz

20 Boyz (all slugga choppa)
2 Nobz with PK and Bosspole
1 Trukk with all upgrades (except for rokkit
2 Warbikerz (Im not gluing bikerz on so i have option of 2 bikerz and one Nob with Big Choppa)
BEST MODEL: 1 Warboss on warbike(twin link Dakka Gunz) with PK, Bosspole, Attack Squig (Chained to the fdront fender), Kombi shoota-skorcha (Stuck to the other side of the front fender) and optional Ammo Runt

Now two things i want to discuss now:

1. Can i field my warboss on bike with 2 warbikerz in the same squad (as if a normal squad). I cant find anything against it but i cant find anything for it either except for " You may want to take a couple of warbiker bodyguards to take in the bullets on behalf of the warboss" on one of the pages before the pictures in the ork codex. Somebody please help me out

2. Ive noticed a mistake in the codex, on the page with the description of the warbikerz, it has information on the DakkaGun (i cant list here) but on the back page of the codex (summary), the Dakkagun has a different weapon characteristic (i cant list this here either). For those of you with the codex, please take a look and help me out if possible

Thanks Guys!

Actually, I spotted that about the Dakkagun as well. Normally I don't like to jump on the 'GW's lack of proofreading make my brain melt with rage' bandwagon, but it's starting to get silly.

I'm assuming they actually use the stats of the old, short-ranged twin-linked big shootas from the old codex.

Also, you'll need more than the two bikes from the battleforce (I'm assuming you're using those!) to accompany your warboss - the minimum squad size is three. Do you have the parts to convert up your biker boss?

Oh, i thought you could put any number of bikes to accompany the warboss. I didnt think that you would need a full squad unit to accompany a Hq model. Because, i know that a HQ IC can join any squad DURING the battle and i read the whole double-page section in the rulebook twice (the IC section) and it never said anything about STARTING the game with an IC attached to another squad. Im still sure that you can still have one or two bikerz as bodyguards. If you have read anything in the rulebook that is againsr this can you please point it out

Oh and everyone else also, please look at my previous post!

Deciding against Lootas on the basis of their relative inefficiency against Termeis is silly. Their main role is not to kill Termies; that they can do it semi-decently in a pinch is just a bonus. Where they excel is taking down medium vehicles and especially skimmers. They're also good for erasing other hordes and taking down things like dakkafexes.

Is there anything in the dex that does say you can give the Warboss a retinue? (Hint: there isn't.) If not, you can't! You have to take a squad selected normally from its own section, and abide by the minimum size stated there.

Regarding the Dakkagun, are you talking about the TL vs non-TL thing? Check out the YMDC forum, there's been quite a lot of discussion about that. (You may have to go a few pages back or use search.)

Mate, look at the CODEX. A bike unit has to be 3-12 models strong. There is no such thing as a 'bodyguard' in the Codex anymore, the Warboss can just join an existing unit, be it Nobz (selected as a separate Elites choice), Warbikes (selected as a separate Fast Attack choice), or whatever.

*Edit*

Dammit, T-C, stop beating me to it! >_<

As for the Dakkagun question, you'll notice it has different stats listed on Page 46 vs those listed in the summary on Page 104.

OK,OK, so no bodyguards. Well, can you START the game with your IC attached to the squad (bikerz in my case) or do you have to join during the game?

Yes, he can start the game with the unit, though I believe he gets deployed at a different time.

deployed seperately but can join a unit at any time.

Hey i really want to get stormboyz but i cant seem to find the set here in Australia Games Workshop?!?!?! Do you buy it in a box set, Blister or do you have to buy the Storm Packs and add them to your egular Ork Boyz?

P.S This forum ive strted is becoming pretty popular, do you guys want to try and get it to the Hottest Threads?

I believe that at the moment GW isn´t actuall y selling the stormboyz as a set...?

There´s stormboy bits, (jetpack and body), but no box set.

I believe there have been rumours of a new "badder than eva´" stormboy kit, but have yet to see images myself.

Obviously the fact that they´re missing from the range, must mean that there´s a new kit in the pipe.

However, the pipe can be veeeery long. (Unless you´re a space marine, in which case the pipe is actually more like a circular door going "Whoooosh -> new space marines!"

Yeah, they're available as a bitz pack, but they're obscenely expensive - worth looking for ways to convert your own.

So how do people get stormboyz with no conversion, the bitz pack??

Yup.

Or wait for the new kit...

My brother plays orks and was able to scrounge up the two last stormboy kit from our FLGS, but if you don´t have one close by that has them from before they went oop, then you´re pretty much stuck with those options.

Ok thanks Xanthos

Hey eveyone i went to GW and i asked about that dakka gun concern. He said DONT use summary just the original

So have you guys heard any rumours coming out about any new ork models?? I know about the chaos deamons and how most of them can be played in Fantasy and 40K . They look like a tough army to beat!

So any new ork rumours?

If there were, they'd appear in the news and rumours forum.

Ork Guy:

Hey eveyone i went to GW and i asked about that dakka gun concern. He said DONT use summary just the original

Well, I think it's a sensible call, but it doesn't mean anything. "Some guy from GW" doesn't have the authority to make rules decisions. Only an official FAQ/errata sheet can do that.

If you mean your local GW has decided to play it that way, then great. Nothing wrong with house rules. Just be aware that if you ever play anyone out of that context, you can't expect your opponent to accept some red/blackshirt or mail order troll's word for it.

On another note, it seems like high time for this thread to be moved somewhere more appropriate. I don't know exactly where it belongs, but it's certainly not Painting & Modeling any more.

T-C

It was a guy that worked at GW, hes pretty good. Im not a mod so i cant change this thread but if another one comes along we should ask them

TC's comment still stands, I've called the GW staff many times and usually get two sometimes three different answers to the same question depending on who I talk to. If its not offical or in the FAQ then it won't hold water if your opponent disagrees as you have no proof.

Yeah long runnig thread without it going off the rails, always nice to see.

Ork Guy, when you've got some orks assembled and an idea of how you want your army to look and play(shooty/assualty for example), why not post a thread in the ole "Army List" thread to get some feed back on it. Will help to tweek out anything that might not work well or be too costly. I'm going to be rambling through there myself to get some ideas for my own ork force when I get time.

Like hellsguardian said, working at GW doesn't give a person any authority to make rules calls. Even when the very person who wrote the rule makes a statement, it only becomes generally accepted when it's put into an official FAQ ("I saw JJ at the GT and he said this" doesn't cut it).

Sounds like this belongs in YMDC, I'll send it there for the time being.

Ok cool, so how can we find out definite answers?

tegeus-Cromis wrote:it only becomes generally accepted when it's put into an official FAQ

QFT