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Their anatomy is even worse than GW's!

True, but even if these go to production, we'll have lost nothing. WGF on the other hand is more than likely going to suffer a financial kick in the nadgers for producing an expensive sprue that in all likelihood will sell badly. A couple more of these and they'll be out of business for sure.

Me, I give them 9-18 months.

So Helghast knockoffs. Is that what The People want?

I'd rather have Helghast knockoffs than either DK knockoffs or Space Nazis. But if i had my druthers, I'd have none of the above.

I would be comfortable with that. I just want them to look like they are from or fighting in a very harsh environment that requires insulation and protection from the elements.
Whether as affordable DKoK, Helghast knockoffs or the fellow in the snow/ash from the now famous picture, I don't care much. Nothing says gritty to me like those images.

What is it with you and Space Nazis Aggy?

If you don't want helghast, space nazis or DKOK, what exactly did you want from this? those ARE the descriptions.

The helmeted head is good, but the greatcoat is unimpressive and causes the model to look feminine. The narrow shoulders, flared waist / thighs messes up the shoulder-waist-hip proportions. A broader greatcoat with more overlap might be nice. Especially with a trenchcoat / duster-style "cape" that flares off the shoulders. Armored shoulderpads would help tremendously. If the legs don't have the coat skirting pinned back, that would be good, as the overall shape would be more of an hourglass than a pyramid..


The armor on the 2nd is goofy overdone in a bad way, and I wouldn't have any interest in such a model.


But yeah, it'd be great if these guys actually knew what a trenchcoat or duster looked like...

I guess they were fools not to relese these renders before now, given the overwhelmingly negative response we're getting. Had we see these at the 50% mark, there would be much less "preorders", I believe.

I would like to point out that the internets are bigger than just Dakka.

BrookM wrote:I would like to point out that the internets are bigger than just Dakka.

I think what Agamemnon means is that, if you take Dakka as a microcosm of the whole of those who preordered, there must be a lot of people who will back out.

Not saying I agree with him, but I can see where he's coming from.

Raxor wrote:So Helghast knockoffs. Is that what The People want?

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'd rather have Helghast knockoffs than either DK knockoffs or Space Nazis. But if i had my druthers, I'd have none of the above.

Umm...out of curiosity, did you guys not read the original description of the sprue? Really?

I guess they were fools not to relese these renders before now, given the overwhelmingly negative response we're getting.

The response on *dakka* is negative maybe (EDIT: but then when is Dakka ever *not* negative?), on their own forums it's far from it. People here are just are basically assuming these are the final production models or at least acting like it. People need to comment on the WF forums on changes, thats what they are there for and they are listening.

Everyone needs to remember these are very rough initial renders in a neutral pose, not anything close to production models, they are there to criticize and nitpick, and to get an idea of what people would like to see, please go over to their forums and comment on any changes you would like to see.

the shopped pics looks like a snowtrooper from "Empire Strikes Back"!

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I don't see why everyone is being so negative about these preliminary designs. It seems to me that they put out these two drastically different mock ups to gauge what people are interested in so that they can ultimately produce a model that a lot of people have interest in. How many worthless models have GW put out that could have been improved if they actually got some community feedback in the design stage. Just off the top of my head the performance enhanced catachans, the hug me brood lord and the metal possessed models are all good concepts that with just a little tweaking could have been good. Instead they're so bad it's hard to understand how they even got made.

As for them making Helghast, Jin Roh or Death Korps knockoffs, what were you expecting? There's only so much you can do when you start with the description "Trench Coat + Gas Masks," and frankly they'll probably sell better if they mimic an already popular style as opposed to trying to come up with with something completely unique when there's no background or game to tie it to. Without the popularity of some other universe to exploit only a few hard core gamers looking to fill a specific niche would buy them, then again I guess I just described a significant percentage of the regular posters at Dakka which explains a lot of the negativity.

As it stands my interest is piqued with these early designs and if the final models are any good I'm looking at buying enough for ~150 models, and I'm not one of the people who made a pre-order.

Vaktathi wrote:Here's some 'shoops someone did of the 2nd one with the 1st ones head and some changes to the armor

Awe come on man, I use the same screen name on both sites !!!

It was an quick and dirty attempt to visualize what was being discussed in the thread.

I don't think anyone is particularly thrilled with the belt or crotch armor, but that wasn't discussed untill afterwoods.

adamsouza wrote:
Awe come on man, I use the same screen name on both sites !!!

Ah sorry, I had forgotten the name and didn't realize you were posting on both.


Your efforts to better visualize everything are much appreciated

Just read through the rest of this thread. FWIW the people who matter, you know the one who acutally pre-ordered, seem pretty happy for the most part. It took something like 2-3 weeks to collect 100 people who collectively ordered over 1000 sprues. If you don't like them that's fine, but they've pretty much managed to collect enough orders through online and word of mouth to break even, without you.

They are in plastic. You know, that material that is soo much easier to work with than resin and white metal. If GW would produce trenchcoat plastics we could all die happy, but they don't. Wargames Factory was kind enough to do so.

Well, I preordered, and if that's what they look like, they can forget actually seeing my money.

I chucked this up on their thread for it. This took me about 30 seconds, but it's all I'd really want (maybe with the arms a touch shorter)

^^I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

Damn Ein... I'll take 4 platoons please.

Indeed. I would love if the models looked like that concept.

Scottywan82 wrote:Well, I preordered, and if that's what they look like, they can forget actually seeing my money.

Again, they are early renders to gauge what direction people want them to go in, they are far from final products and will likely go through many revisions.

jamsessionein wrote:I chucked this up on their thread for it.

A Jin-Roh Panzer Cop wearing a greatcoat?

Works for me!

I really like that concept piece. I want something I can use as "counts as" sisters of battle, so cheap plastics would be perfect.

I think they'd look good with the current Cadian Heads (the first one).

sA

I have been following this with great interest and I have to say I’m a bit disappointed with the space nazi direction. I like the Pig Iron figs but I feel they don’t fit too well with my Steel Legion. I am looking for figs to do some conscripts with and would use these new plastics if they fit well.

I think what is available should be taken into account when designing these. Of course there are the Death Korps of Krieg based on largely on French WW1, but these are quite expensive. Pig Iron has some nice great coats for reasonable price, very si-fi and head swaps available to make cold weather looking. Valhallan and Steel Legion are both available form GW direct, again price is an issue. Valahallan have a Russian WW2 look. SL have si-fi storm trooper look to them with the German WW2 airborne helmet (could be the studio yellow coats pain scheme making me think that).

Having said that I think a good great coat plastic at a good price would do really well. Perhaps something as simple as changing the helmet to something more generic would help. I’m not sure about the exposed armor, looks campy to me.

My 2 cents.

I liek the second one, for a good Sci-Fi feel it has it.

The first one looks like DKoK in a Wallace and Grommit movie!

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