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Wow, this topic just will not die. If the thread is any kind of indication, the war would rage on forever. And to add my two cents (yet again, albeit in this thread), the Orks would lose. They would lose horribly. They would be scourged as a race from the Milky Way.

Sigh... you people and your love for a rotting carcass!
I guess your devotion should be admired if nothing else can be.
You all say the imperiam would win but the votes say different!

Well, if it was only about democracy of course the Orks would win!

Orks aren't fighting anyone else? Every race is fighting on multiple divided fronts against every other race. So the lack of other foes would effect both sides.

Edit: d'oh - didn't notice the new page. My above is to Emperor's Faithful.

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
@ ihadhq I believe the only ones getting their asses handed to them were the Nazis!

any relevance to 40k there?



About our not so dead venerated leader, he who is the light of the galaxy, professional GT sitter and sadly wont come back soon...

As per GW, the emperor. Now we get "der imperator" where i live.
And IIRC there is a self crowned le empereur ( mr bonaparte ) , several elected german Kaiser ( role model for
whfb) , russian Czars or chinese emperors.
Good question where GW "borrowed" the idea for the 40k emperor from.

So we have the emperor. And its ork equivalent is?

Chosen Praetorian wrote:Sigh... you people and your love for a rotting carcass!
I guess your devotion should be admired if nothing else can be.
You all say the imperiam would win but the votes say different!

You sir, are a heretic! The votes have been cheated, as is the Ork way. Devotion to the Emperor is not something to be merely admired... It is something that is so pure, so unshakeable, that it should be feared! The Orks would be forced to fight war on a wide frontier, where their total disorder would begin to rot from within the very core of their race... Without a true leader, not a single one of them to keep the Ork machine at war, all would collapse because of weak foundations... If the Imperium is chopped down to the last few bricks and mortar, the Orks would have the hardest part of the war trying to destroy humanity's deep-reaching tap-root.

1hadhq wrote: And its ork equivalent is?

The biggest guy in the room. (Orks don't really have an equivalent because they've evolved beyond the need for lighthouses)

I think the problem is that many people are just posting thier vote and not reading the conditions of the OP.

If they saw the conditions ALL sane peoplez would realise that the Imperium would tear the orks a new one.

Imperium
1. they have about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 leman russ tanks that would pwninate the orcs
2. they have about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 guardsmen ready to defend and die!
3. they have about 10,000 chapters of marines that are not like gw made them, but movie marines that could pwn everyone
4. titans
5. super heavy tanks

I think you may need to reread your numbers.

Yes.
If there were 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Tanks and an Equal number of IG, then most of those tanks would be pretty useless as no one can drive 'em.

Orks stop and fight amongst themselves after wiping out 85% of the human population. Imperium "wins" only to be wiped out by genestealers a decade later.

...yeah, coz genestealers are TOTALLY included in the ork race...

*facepalm*
Read the OP.

Lord_Lockhart wrote:Allright here is the scenario for this massive undertaking so no loopholing

1: everyone else decided to leave today and went to the next galaxy,
-besides all orks and all the forces of the imperium and the current inhabitants of both civs-

2: chaos gods are still around just their demons and marines have also left, warp is also still ok

3: this is total war,nothing one on one on a planet, this is a war in between races

4: no multiple votes! if you have a second account or not please do not vote twice

5: and for any of you true, lore less, men out there; with imperium i do include the Astartes

6: with, war between races, i do not say that orks immediately start off as a united faction, but are in their current state for the start of this war.

7: this is too the death of the other race!!!! or too such an extent that the other race has the abilty to supress the other into a unsignificant threat like how we dont care about grizzly bears(near extinct animals), your just scared when you go camping.

Vote

If looking for opinions there is already a thread started (where of course my idea for a poll started)

Edit: for a improvement in the outline of the scenario

Orks are united. Warp is still here, so chaos demons is still here.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Lord_Lockhart wrote:Allright here is the scenario for this massive undertaking so no loopholing

1: everyone else decided to leave today and went to the next galaxy,
-besides all orks and all the forces of the imperium and the current inhabitants of both civs-

2: chaos gods are still around just their demons and marines have also left, warp is also still ok

3: this is total war,nothing one on one on a planet, this is a war in between races

4: no multiple votes! if you have a second account or not please do not vote twice

5: and for any of you true, lore less, men out there; with imperium i do include the Astartes

6: with, war between races, i do not say that orks immediately start off as a united faction, but are in their current state for the start of this war.

7: this is too the death of the other race!!!! or too such an extent that the other race has the abilty to supress the other into a unsignificant threat like how we dont care about grizzly bears(near extinct animals), your just scared when you go camping.

Vote

If looking for opinions there is already a thread started (where of course my idea for a poll started)

Edit: for a improvement in the outline of the scenario

Orks are united. Warp is still here, so chaos demons is still here.

Underlined what you should read before quoting it....

The trolls would win...
Hail Gwar!

corpsesarefun wrote:The trolls would win...
Hail Gwar!

trolls get usually hunted down and put to the torch...

1hadhq wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:The trolls would win...
Hail Gwar!

trolls get usually hunted down and put to the torch...

No!
the mighty troll horde shall be victorious!
The world of Chan IV has fallen! the whole galaxy shall soon fall!
Hail gwar! and lord cheese the fallen!

/roleplaying

for the continuous story of the troll hordes battles with the forces of dakka check out the DakkaDakka: The Troll Wars saga thread in the fiction section

+1

The Imperium would win obviously. It really doesn't matter what the poll says as the only people who are right are the ones that correctly identified the Imperium as winning.

Orks are a divisive species and are simply never going to unite behind one leader. It's too easy for the Imperials to set one faction against another and the bigger the opposing ork forces, the more that are going to die at once.

The Imperium was kicking ork butt during the Great Crusade, it was the Imperium turning on itself during the heresy that changed that. An Imperium freed from other threats would burn the orks out of the galaxy to the point where they posed no significant threat.

Frankly if it weren't for the ruinous powers, the other races would barely exist and I believe even the nids would have been held at arms length.


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Oh and four pages is not really that much for a topic of this importance.

Most people on here are right the orks would win. IF THEY COULD STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! but they cant, and the imperium has so pretty nasty stuff so imperium

Cadbren@So if people vote and there wrong (In your opinion) there opinions dont count?

Well if the Imperium was winning (on the poll) you Imperial people would be saying thats correct.

There has been another thread about this at like 6-pages. No-one will agree so we just have to use the poll to show us the answer now can this thread die now, please?

most of the imperiums problems are with internal security issues. remove chaos from the picture and that alone will be enough to allow the Imperium to refocus on keeping up with the Waargh. it will be brutal but i think da humie can ouithorde even the orks, allowing for the nasty things the Imperium can do to large concentrations of orks.

If the chaos powers are still around as the scenario proposes humans will continue to fall prey to their depredations. Thus, the Imperium is certainly not united. Witch hunters and such will continue the civil strife to justify their continued existence. Such organizations do not quietly leave the stage. Humanity continues to fight itself as usual in the scenario.

However, with only one racial enemy left, the Orks will unite. This will not be the usual union under a single Warboss's Waaagh! Rather all Orks will be seeking out the reduced number of enemies available for a good scrap. Fighting themselves is just not as much fun as fighting someone else.

Every band of Orks will descend upon humanity for the sole reason that they are the only race left to fight. They will no longer need any greater cause beyond finding the last few critters wot can give 'em a proppa fite. This unity of action will be the death knell for the Imperium as it is clear that such unity would destroy all enemies of da Orks.

Ok, so seeing all this comparison of numbers in the races of each species, its funny to note that a good less than 1% of the human population is even under arms .... yes not every spore becomes an ork but those that become gretchin become snacks/meaat shields and those that become snotlings become spore tenders and ammo ...

People talk about orks lack of centralised control ... as if they need that? word would spread that all da uvver good fights is done, and its time to head towards the tinkan boy sitting on his yellow chair.

The fact that fighting orks outnumber the IG hundreds of thousands of times over if not millions is pretty funny ....

Also as to the whole navy statements, they had the navy at armageddon and what happened? yea an entire sector battlefleet couldnt stop them form making planetfall, and if what i read in the grey knights omnibus is any indication armageddon has fallen after the third war now .... so yea.

The imperium couldnt even defend the most critical forgeworld in an entire sector with all their strength massed there, against one waaaaagh of mabye like 15 that are currently ongoing in full swing lol ....

I just read the dreadnought page in my Space Marine Codex after Lord Loss said that Dreadnoughts can't be re-built or built new.

There is nothing on that page that says anything about the Imperium not being able to create new dreadnoughts. It just says that marines will fight for fallen dreadnoughts, because they are not as easy to reproduce as a bolter.

Apart from that, I'd like to throw a little argument into the pot: While mankind is, especially with Chaos gone, united under the banner of the Imperium, the majority of ork worlds probably are not even AWARE of the human species. How should they? There is no interstellar communication for orks. There is only space travel for a small percentage of orks, for those who have Meks with huge capabilities.

So, the point is, why should orks suddendly unite against humanity?

1. Orks never change, because their DNA never changes, which means they'll keep fighting themselves like they do at the moment. Forever. Period.
2. Ork "civilizations" on the numerous planets the inhabit in the galaxy that were never conquered or explored by humans simply do not know that humans exist. They would only get to know of their existence when a battlegroup moves in and shells the crap out of their planet. As far as someone gives me a page number where it states that orks have interstellar communication of any sort, I think this argument is vital. And, no, they can't know how mankind because of their DNA, because orks where engineered at a time where there were no humans.

I therefore agree with the Imperials in this thread. Orks are mainly unorganized. Yes, there are some Waaaghs that will beat the crap out of imperial planets, but because they don't rally to one big Waaagh I don't see them taking whole space sectors. On the other hand, the united Imperium can send out crusades like in the 31st millenium, organized battlegroup of imperial navy and guard that can scan every world from orbit and decide to simply pound away and annihilate every ork on the surface if they don't think the planet's worth attacking by foot.

The huge number of Orks might produce fear in some hearts, but the Orks are like atoms in an object, everything moving in its own direction, bouncing off other atoms. The Imperium is like a focused, one-directional conversion beam that will rip through one atom after another, obliterating them all.

With the chaos powers and warp intact (see point 2 in the initial post), there is no unity in the imperium. More humans will fall to chaos replacing the marines and traitor guard who mysteriously vanished. Humanity would hardly be a focused conversion beam. They couldn't even stay focused while their emperor lived. Horus did arise while he lived, didn't he? Didn't the emperor have to go around committing atrocities against his own people to "unite" humanity in the first place? Don't we constantly read about witchcraft, heresy and mutation tearing the imperium apart? Aren't guardsmen notoriously corrupt and bankrupt of morale? Don't unscrupulous human elements constantly throw in their lot with a certain clan of orks? Where is the unity in their current state? I'll tell you - it does not exist.

Orks naturally seek out enemies to make war with - it's their one unifying purpose. The "awareness of humans" conjecture is moot because of this. Interstellar communication is a given based on all of the fluff. How do you organize a massive Waaagh without it? Consider also, the interstellar transmissions picked up by the imperial probes. Every tiny tribe of orks has meks. Thus, travel through space and the warp is as common as for humans.

As stated above, the orks would not unite in the usual Waaagh! It would be more of a serendipitous union as they all sought out the last enemies left to fight.

BTW, look at all the differences in culture and physical nature from rogue trader until fourth Edition if you need evidence that orks adapt and change.

Orks can communicate across space. They probably don't communicate particularly well though, no matter where they are. (Go dere! No, da uvver dere, stoopid!)

utan wrote:With the chaos powers and warp intact (see point 2 in the initial post), there is no unity in the imperium. More humans will fall to chaos replacing the marines and traitor guard who mysteriously vanished.

In this threads setting at point 2, chaos is reduced to "gods" and the warp itself.
Demons are also gone, and as far as i remember, those warp-dwellers are the part of chaos thats interacting with the material realm.
Didn't notice direct relationships between humans and those "gods".
I think this faction is cut off, without demons around and the warp is only there to provide a travel route.

utan wrote:
Thus, travel through space and the warp is as common as for humans.

Isnt the orkidex impliying orks just went where the fate puts them?
But humans always try to go a navigated route?

Different travel agency



Plus why do you think humans are less boring to fight than other orks?

Regarding the chaos powers in our little scenario, it doesn't really matter whether they exist in the warp. The corrupt psyches of sentient beings (including humans) created them in the first place. The "gods" are the children of human disunity. Ergo, humans are by nature disorganised and "chaotic".
Orks have a clear, organized and indisputable hierarchy: The biggest is boss - no questions allowed.
It is arguable that Orks are more lawful than humans.