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BOLS reports anything and everything, even things that are false, usually a week after they've been proven false. Their QA when it comes to rumours is lacking.

They take more of a scattergun approach to reporting rumours - report everything and see what sticks.

As far as inside sources go, we've had Taco Bell claim that inside sources have confirmed Space Hulk, yet we've had just as many sources claiming it isn't Space Hulk - so who knows what to believe.

BOLS is what it is, nobody is claiming they are MSNBC or Fox News. Wait, those analogies might be apt.

Games Workshop is the only "credible" news source, everything else is fans posting rumors. BOLS wins because of their convience factor.

I agree with Shep though, I may be interested in the Nids if they get a proper 5th edition codex.

One thing they have to do is make Spore Mines large blasts.

Look the guys at BoLS are doing the best they can. In fact if it wasn't for them we wouldn't be talking about half the stuff we are.

As far as the Tyranids go it seems that Everything from here on out is just wishlisting (though alot of it is interesting if unfounded and I've even contributed some).

The Unending wrote:In fact if it wasn't for them we wouldn't be talking about half the stuff we are.

Yes we would. We'd just be copypasta-ing threads from USE TACTICS Land rather than BoLS.

I have no beef with BoLS - I go there once virtually every day and have even started lurking in their Lounge - but their rumours need a little more QA. There was one a while ago that was a direct copypasta from a thread here, and on the second page of that thread the rumour as disproven. BoLS posted it a week after the thread was started, and didn't bother to read anything beyond the first page. That's sloppy, and it's not the only example.

Nobody is perfect and things can slip through. I am sure the would be more careful if they made a living wage off that site rather then the minor amount of internet monies that they do.

I still haven't found a better overall gaming blog, so that is something.

Shep, will you go to Games Workshop and write the new Tyranids book for us? That was exactly what I want to see.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Shep wrote:There was an early playtest leak a few months ago...

It was a fake. The author even came onto Dakka to explain the choices he made.

Would you happen to have a link to that thread? I'm curious what his reasons were.

Oooh... it was a while ago. Try a search for Tyranids in the Proposed Rules forum - that's where the thread was posted.

I think the Nids should get some acid maw anti-tank stuff... heck, use the rules from the Tzeenchian Screamers from the Daemon army. Just give 'em legs instead of flying..

I always thought those things were more Niddy than Demonic..

-P

To fix the anti tank thing, they could just have maybe fexes with toxin sacs count as doing penetrating hits instead of glancing. since adding +1 str to a fex is kind of moot most of the time...

I haven't played my nids in a while but I always took warp blast as my anti tank weapon and it always seemed to work good for me, maybe I was just lucky.

Or just let the Venom Cannon penetrate. There's no reason for it not to.

Is someone really complaining about IG in this thread? Didn't the new dex basically make them the top army atm? (as long as you are playing a power list ofc)


Anyways, I wouldn't be suprised if nids lost a lot of their guns and the entire army is given fleet.

Also I am with you guys on betting gargoyles become amazing. Maybe some sick shooting attack or something. (like str 6 ap 1, melta 12" or 18" range)

i hope they bring back the MASSIVE MUTIBILITY of 3rd ed nids. this would be epic win.

and make it so you can have gargoyles with scything talons....

Necros wrote:
I haven't played my nids in a while but I always took warp blast as my anti tank weapon and it always seemed to work good for me, maybe I was just lucky.

Yes, you are lucky.

Personally, I am very good at failing the Psychic test, and even if I pass it, the BS of 3 with a single shot is not the best of odds.

Timmah wrote:Is someone really complaining about IG in this thread? Didn't the new dex basically make them the top army atm? (as long as you are playing a power list ofc)

Anyways, I wouldn't be suprised if nids lost a lot of their guns and the entire army is given fleet.

Also I am with you guys on betting gargoyles become amazing. Maybe some sick shooting attack or something. (like str 6 ap 1, melta 12" or 18" range)

I don't we IG players have as much to complain about as before. People who exclusively play power lists have no souls and don't count towarsds army comparissons.

I think your right, on the nids. Especially since GW will want to update their minis.

Mahu wrote:Nobody is perfect and things can slip through. I am sure the would be more careful if they made a living wage off that site rather then the minor amount of internet monies that they do.

The whole "nobody is perfect" thing works if its only everyonce and a while, but with the Taco Bell of Lost Souls, its pretty consistent. Any rumor not proven wrong in the first page of a thread, they will assume is correct even if proven wrong at the top of the next page.

Its like watching the nightly news for word on your townhall meeting, instead of going to it. Each degree of separation increases interpretation with diminishing quality and reliability as to the original rumor or fact. Even before it gets online you have atleast one degree of separation. The taco bell rehash makes it two and when the guy who never pays attention reposts it here a week later its another. Each time less worthwhile and less reliable.

Just cause you get a shiny new dex doesnt automatically make you a top tier army.

OT:
With the current GW trend, I dont think mutability is comming back this update. It would be nice though.

Actually, given how they approached Leman Russ/Hellhound variants for the IG, I'd expect they will name 5 or 6 different Carnifexes, 2 or 3 different Hive tyrants, and remove most of the "build your own" options entirely.

Janthkin wrote:Actually, given how they approached Leman Russ/Hellhound variants for the IG, I'd expect they will name 5 or 6 different Carnifexes, 2 or 3 different Hive tyrants, and remove most of the "build your own" options entirely.

Agree 100%.

Despite the ideas in previous 'nid codexes of the vast mutability and diversity of Tyranids the idea of a high cutomization just doesnt fit the current 5th edition mantra and I also suspect you will see set variants of various tyranid beasties with some of the more extreme builds available at present( extreme dakka fex, etc.) toned down...

I would expect a return to tyranids being presented as the ultimate swarm army: Gaunts/gants will get silly cheap and perhaps you buy multiple units (1-5) as a single force org slot.

I expect to see some form of "without number" mechanic as standard or as an upgrade which moves to them to some other force org slots (elites, etc.).

Just my hunch. I could be wrong...

I want Without Number Carnifexes...

I think the vast options will remain. Every other army has significant options for a squad, why can't the "Ever Evolving Devourer?"

I can see it going more in line with other armies like this:

Genestealer Brood:
5-10 Genestealers per brood
All Are equipped with Rending Claws. For X points they may add Scything Talons.
One Genestealer may upgrade to Feeder Tendrils for X points.

I don't expect to see things quite as codified as 5-6 Carnifex types. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see elite Carnifexes stay, but only as a separate Elites entry in an old-school "Screamer-Killer" build. So if you want a shooty Carnifex, you'd have to buy them out of HS. I'm pretty sure I'll be patting myself on the back for magnetizing all my Carnifex arms.

I think scuttlers/outflanking has a chance to become more of a central army concept, too. If I was the designer, I'd at least explore that.

I don't think we'll see mycetic spores return to allow drop armies, but I think it'd be an interesting variant and not as difficult to implement than it would appear at first blush.

I wouldn't be surprised to see elite Carnifexes stay, but only as a separate Elites entry in an old-school "Screamer-Killer" build. So if you want a shooty Carnifex, you'd have to buy them out of HS.

"Old school" Carnifexes actually had a pretty hardcore long-range shooting attack. They were beasts at range and in HtH. Then again, this was back in the day when a single Genestealer could give today's special characters a run for their money.

I don't expect to see the mutability leave since that has always been a big part of what makes Tyranids unique. I do, however, expect a pretty radical shake-up of what everything can be given.

I'd be absolutely thrilled if the 'Nids get to fool around with deployment and reserves via everything outflanking and/or coming back after it dies. That sounds hilarious. It may be a *little* broken if they expand it past gaunts and their variants but hilarious. I really do think they should include that somehow. It's not like outflanking gaunts would really cause anyone that much of a problem. Now, if they institute the much-needed price drops on Hormagaunts and Gargoyles, I can see how that'd be an issue. Yes, you have to stay at least 19" from both sides of the board or get assaulted. Enjoy!

CT GAMER wrote:
I would expect a return to tyranids being presented as the ultimate swarm army: Gaunts/gants will get silly cheap and perhaps you buy multiple units (1-5) as a single force org slot.

I get an image of Gaunts crushing most dedicated assault troops under their sheer weight of numbers alone.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

That's because you don't play them. I'm sure those that do are looking forward to having their Genestelaers nerfed, and all their Flyrants and DakkaFexes made illegal.

But all that dissapointment wil go away when they reveal the new Ultracarnirant! It's got a Demolisher Cannon that can use Lash of Submission 4 times and fires Nob Bikerz! And due to fuzzy wording, it also fires on the opponent's turn twice.

I want em to bring back "Jones is acting strangely"

I could imagine GW fixing the Dakkafex problem like this:
- BS4 Warriors as Elites
- BS2 Carnifexes as Heavy
This allows Carnifexes to still hit hard, but the problem is actually hitting. Warriors wouldn't hit quite as hard, but they'd usually hit.

Plus, GW can move the "Heavy" guns from Tyrant and Carnifex to the Warriors, while mandating a set of CC arms on each Carnifex.

Wow! All this talk of solidifying* what weapons Tyranids can have and adding in more robust unit descriptions** - it just sounds like so much fun***!!!!!!!!!




*NB: If by "solidifying" you mean "limiting".
**NB: If by "descriptions" you mean "restrictions".
***NB: Does not actually sound like fun.

The Unending wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:
I would expect a return to tyranids being presented as the ultimate swarm army: Gaunts/gants will get silly cheap and perhaps you buy multiple units (1-5) as a single force org slot.

I get an image of Gaunts crushing most dedicated assault troops under their sheer weight of numbers alone.

Yeah. I agree.




Automatically Appended Next Post:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wow! All this talk of solidifying* what weapons Tyranids can have and adding in more robust unit descriptions** - it just sounds like so much fun***!!!!!!!!!




*NB: If by "solidifying" you mean "limiting".
**NB: If by "descriptions" you mean "restrictions".
***NB: Does not actually sound like fun.

It's coming, like it or not. Get the lube ready and smile...

I recently traded off my nids in anticipation. My spider sense was tingling...

jp400 wrote:lots of stupid stuff

You, be nice to new members and stop with your bs. IG are better than they have EVER been. Yeah before they had one competitive build, drop IG spam. Now they have several and can even compete in KP missions.

Shep wrote:Lots of really good stuff

Thank god Shep is here to bring some reason and good analysis to the knee-jerkers.

Oh give it a rest Ozy. Knee-jerking may be part of this, but come-the-feth-on - we have precidents to work with. We know the pendulum is going to be swung hard with this book, so why shouldn't players lament the loss of their lists?

Ozymandias wrote:

Thank god Shep is here to bring some reason and good analysis

I guess he is picking up your slack as well?