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JohnHwangDD wrote:Better than clogging the thing with dirt...

Surely the laser would just burn the dirt out, it's not a ballistic weapon after all.

Tailgunner wrote:Had this been a prototype GW model, I suspect you'd have been in there slagging it off with everyone else.

Not at all, as a rule GW makes wonderful models with a few notable exceptions, they are however grossly overpriced. That's the only consistent problem with them across the board. I love to see viable alternatives come down the line that allow me, and others like me, to realistically consider another army. If you think GW's product is worth their price, well I certainly don't agree, but go for it I guess. Just don't get upset when I take offense at you criticizing viable gaming alternatives at a mere fraction of the price. Same as you get upset when I criticize GW's overpriced product.

Back to the topic at hand however, can't wait to see the final product and if it's worth considering. Shows a lot of promise so far and I look forward to more updates.

Is it too late to suggest changing the design?

I dont like how the amor and backpack looks...

I'm okay with the backpack, the only problem is that the front armor and backpack don't look like they belong together.

Quite literally, it looks like it was designed by a committee, which never works, and it was practically designed by a committee.

As much as WGF wants to promote it's whole liberty league thing, they need to let their designers take a stand.

And don't bother trying to suggest a change, their forums are pretty hostile, you're responses will actually get voted out.

I don't like the looks of this model. I love "greatcoat" Guard models hell i have a full DKoK army. But the pose and detail of the model is greatly lacking.

Money isn't an issue for me so i'll stick with Resin DKoK.

Yeah, I don't think you're the target audience, Red_lives. It's a replacement good, which if we remember 1st year econ is basically a type of product where demand goes up the more the price for another product does. The more GW minis are, the better cheaper guys seem.

That said, for the big chunk of hobbyists the limiting factor isn't money, it's time. Why spend the same time painting a mediocre mini when for a few bucks more you could have a much better mini at the end.

Now, I'm eager to see more, because I have some ideas in mind, but as I'm sitting looking at four basecoated russes, plus four extra FW turrets, I'm not exactly running low on projects.

Just to remind everyone the sculpter and company are listening...

But not here.

Go here if you really have thoughts on the design.

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/forum/category/science-fiction-submissions/page1/

They're listening, but not to us. There's a really loud group that's currently dominating the talk in that forum, constantly voting down anything that they don't like, leaving us with, well, this.

About the only thing they listened to me was to make sure the goggles and mask fit better on the model.

So if we want a change, we need to bomb the WGF forum?

No thanks.

So, if you want to discuss with a company their product and how you'd like it to look, you're not willing to actually go to their forum and do so?

I mean, I won't either, but It's still funny.

Vertrucio wrote:They're listening, but not to us. There's a really loud group that's currently dominating the talk in that forum, constantly voting down anything that they don't like, leaving us with, well, this.

Well, there is a reason no other company in the industry does what WGF has done. Because it's a stupid idea.

JohnHwangDD wrote:So if we want a change, we need to bomb the WGF forum?

No thanks.

I believe the word is 'post' not 'bomb'.

Polonius wrote:So, if you want to discuss with a company their product and how you'd like it to look, you're not willing to actually go to their forum and do so?

I mean, I won't either, but It's still funny.

That's way too much work. Far better to complain over here.

Besides, I already have plenty enough Guard, and they're not Greatcoat Guard.

/hands out fans and wigs.

Positions ladies!

On a scale of 1 to 10"
DKOK = 9.5
GW Cadians = 8
WGF guard = 6.5

I they changed the guns and made them a little bigger, and changed the backpack to something more relaistic looking, my opinion may go up.
It would be interesting to see some more models with different poses though.

GG

Vertrucio wrote:They're listening, but not to us. There's a really loud group that's currently dominating the talk in that forum, constantly voting down anything that they don't like, leaving us with, well, this.

About the only thing they listened to me was to make sure the goggles and mask fit better on the model.

Dakkites are complaining that a forum is hostile?


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By the by if we're comparing let's compare plastic to plastic. Granted the Cats are 10 years old but that's GW's choice not to redo them.







Note the GW guns that are taller than the figures, the sparse detail on the armor and flack vests, the oversized heads...

The heads are normal - the problem is the helmet. To wit:

Actually the Cat heads are way oversized, GW compresses the legs and torso to make the heads and guns more prominent.

Wait, the new GW Cadians come with Melta Guns now? Edit: Command Squad upgrades... Dang.

On topic: The fact that these WGF miniatures are smaller than Forgeworld is good: they make Marines look big.

Out of this whole discusion, I've only seen two posts tht even came close to getting my attention. The one with the jpeg of the japanese girl with the nice rack and the one mentioning that the WGF forums are hostile. That's an understatement. I made a comment about how my enthusiasm was dying off because there had been little or no official word from WGF on these models and that maybe they might want to post something. I got blasted with hostility from their resident grognard adamsouza and I decided that I have no desire for these models now. Seeing the prototype shows me that I'd rather purchase the FW DKOK or convert some GCG from brettonian plastics, lasguns, and either PI or WWP heads.

I like 'em. I've thought about using the British line for IG and mixing arms/weapons. They're about the same size when mixing with Cadians - not so much with Jungle boys.

But we could stop talking about "true scale marines" if the IG were a bit smaller; which I think these will do a fine job.

I don't like the armor, or the gun, or the shoulder pads, or the head, or the backpack. Almost nothing I suggested (and I posted on that thread for about a month trying to get my ideas implemented) was used. I am very disappointed with the models. I find them rather ugly. I won't be buying any.

So at the end of the day the only thing that matters is if I like the mini and can afford what I like. DKoK are nice, but I don't really like them and they are way to expensive considering that I haven't yet won the lottery and I am not willing to quit eating or smoking for minis at this point in my life and I also like the job I have and do not wish to have a second one either.

The Cadians are ok minis as well. They have their faults though...IMO. The Catachans have many more faults...IMO. I still however use both in my army. I also have some Vostroyans as well. AWESOMESAUCE...again IMO. These are no exception. I like them. I also think they have some issues, but if at the end of the day I can combine them with GW stuff to get tourney legal minis then I will use them because I do like elements and I think that they will add some flavor to my army that is not represented at this time.

I will agree that the forum on the WGF site is full of people that bully you into thinking that your opinion doesn't matter. This is the same on all internet forums and not just gaming. When you are a faceless name it is much easier to be a hard nosed pain in the rump and bully people to your hearts content. This is the reason I don't post often on any forum. I don't like politics. I don't like people who are jerks. And I really hate incessant whining. All of which are prevalent on all forums no matter how hard the Admin try to stop it.

So at the end of this very long day I will ignore the vast majority of you in favor of deciding for myself. If you choose to blather on and bad mouth companies for their efforts then go for it. At least they are actually doing something useful to attempt to enrich someone elses lives.

If I offended you with what I typed then oh well. Maybe you should consider who you have offended with your posts.

Just a point about the WGF forum: it seems that there's a considerable number of people here that don't relish having their opinions shouted down in the WGF forums. Why don't you lot band together, head to the WGF and let them know that together you're too many to be shouted down?

cadbren wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Better than clogging the thing with dirt...

Surely the laser would just burn the dirt out, it's not a ballistic weapon after all.

Laser weapons have been described of having a huge kenetic impact when they hit a solid object. This causes a small explosion and generates a lot of heat.

Those things you don't want inside your weapon barrel.

The backpack reminds me of a parachute.

The image of DKoK troopers dropping into battle while imitating Marilyn Monroe now dances freely in my mind.

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Well, there is a reason no other company in the industry does what WGF has done. Because it's a stupid idea.

Why is it "stupid' to try to give customers what they want? To give them a voice in the production process? I see all sorts of complaint-oriented posts here on Dakka how GW "should" do this and "IF they had done that" ...

I think it's a novel approach to an aspect of their offerings and I'm all for it if it nets me what I would like. Granted, as with anything that counts votes to proceed, the most vocal campaigners typically win. If I don't take the time to have my voice or ideas heard, than I can't really complain when a model comes out that's not to my liking, can I? Well, I can .. but why bother?

Myrthe wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Well, there is a reason no other company in the industry does what WGF has done. Because it's a stupid idea.

Why is it "stupid' to try to give customers what they want? To give them a voice in the production process? I see all sorts of complaint-oriented posts here on Dakka how GW "should" do this and "IF they had done that" ...

I think it's a novel approach to an aspect of their offerings and I'm all for it if it nets me what I would like. Granted, as with anything that counts votes to proceed, the most vocal campaigners typically win. If I don't take the time to have my voice or ideas heard, than I can't really complain when a model comes out that's not to my liking, can I? Well, I can .. but why bother?

I misspoke a bit. The idea is not bad in itself, it's just one of those things that's far better on paper. In real life, it's hamstrung by people having incompatible assumptions, unfeasible ideas, unreasonable expectations, etc. Like these Space Nazi chaps trying to be IG proxies and pulp sci-fi Space Nazis at the same time, and all at prices lower than GW and quality higher than them.

I've checked those forums and people like adamsouza prove that by screaming really loud at everybody not agreeing you can have things your way. So much for that idea then.

edit.

Democratic choice making about minis I mean.

Quite so, quite so. Democracy only works in a situation like this if forums have much more draconian structures to make sure the loud can't bully the timid into silence.