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Yeah, but at least they thought they were doing it right. If they had made a 10 and 16 point version of the same thing it would just be ridiculously incompetent.

Units with the same rules and different point values is ultimately better than units with the same names and equipment but different rules.

Do you think that for Adepticon Team tourney the OOF and Astropath ability will stack?

The OOF and the Astropath have different effects. They'll stack in the future no more than they stacked yesterday.

It's multiples of each type that this FAQ addresses (however clumsily).

@ph34r: At this point, I am perfectly OK paying 10 pts per Stormie as 5-10 Scoring models with up to 2 BS4 Plasma Guns at +10 pts each.

Or rather, I'm OK when the the alternative is overpaying an obscene 16 pts per non-Scoring S3 gun, paying for an unnecessary Sergeant, and then overpaying an additional +5 pts more for the Plasma Guns.

The former are playable, whereas the latter aren't even close, especially when on can take Scoring Nuns with Guns for fewer points...

Another rare occasion, but I agree with what John said for all the reasons John just said.

Glad they fixed the ridiculously short range of the Deathstrike. The enemy only had be get eighty feet away to be safe from your intercontinental missile. Now you can use them to shoot at armies that are actually set up on other continents (in Apocalypse, obviously, and using some sort of telepresence).

Sarge wrote:If they didn't want hot-shot lasguns to be lasguns..why change the name from hellguns? We could have avoided months of arguing over that.

Not to mention that hot-shot lasgun sounds so silly and weak compared to Hellgun! Bad choice GW...

//Edge

I'm.... just.... so..... happy!.....

On the downside... too bad I can't use my mortar to range that MoO

I'm not saying that new ST are good or IST are bad, I'm just saying that I would rather the new ST have different rules and different names than different rules and the same names.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Units with the same rules and different point values is ultimately better than units with the same names and equipment but different rules.

Exactly! That is what they did, change the hellgun name. So, the different storm troopers have different equipment, the only similarity between them is that Inquisitorial Storm Troopers contain "Storm Troopers". They don't have the same equipment and different rules.

And now we're going in circles, as the original point was that the change from Hellguns to Hotshot Lasguns created the question surrounding FRFSRF. Which it did.

No mention of Special Wep Squads taking grenades rather than HW squads

1 thing i have noticed, is the excuss they've used to deny FRFRF to hell guns
"Whilst lasguns are robust weapons ideally
suited for firing continuous volleys, hotshot
lasguns cannot sustain such a high rate of fire."
If the hotshot cannot substain a high rate of fire, then why have they made it a RAPID fire weapon, and not say assault 2?
If they allowed the order on hotshot lasguns, then ST would be worth the points you pay, at the moment there not to be honest.

Even with the extra shot, it's going to take a lot more to make Stormies worth 16 points each.

If Storms had S5 Rending guns, they might be worth 16 pts, because then they'd have a decent shot at cracking most Transports.

Silly Games Workshop. Makes pitifully weak Guardsmen even weaker. Me boyz'll stick a choppa in dem!

Its ok... we can take enough Leman Russes to make up for it.

Fair point. I firmly believe that Russes are the best tanks in the game.

I'm disapointed that they didin't clear up a couple of heavy weapons issues -
1. are heavy flamers 'heavy weapons' - ie do you need to team up. Codex seems to point toward no, but Vraks part 3 is definately yes.
2. can the loader of a heavy weapons team fire his lasgun (as a HW team has 1 stat line now instead of 2 separate guys).

Ignore Vraks. Warwick either got it wrong or didn't know what he was writing. Look to the Codex.

As to the second part, no he can't, because a 'Heavy Weapon Team' isn't two models - it is a single model with 2 wounds, as defined by the Codex.

Hey, it's relatively timely, for GW, so that's a plus.

Kungfuhustler wrote:The only Army I have run in 40k is IG and there was no precedent in the IG.

Actually, there kinda is, as the Hellstrike Missile rules are(ironically) a direct Copy-pasta of the rules for the Hellstrike Missile from Imperial Armour.

HAHAHA! Valkyries canno' transport Terminators! Suck it, DH!

H.B.M.C. wrote:And now we're going in circles, as the original point was that the change from Hellguns to Hotshot Lasguns created the question surrounding FRFSRF. Which it did.

And again, avoided other potential problems
And now the FRFSRF problem is FAQd for those who couldn't understand before, anyway!

Very clear FAq, great job...finally

good faq, clears up lots of questions and is relatively quick out. If they keep this up I'll be even more impessed.

OK, for all you people chanting the praise of GW. Calm down and take a breath. Do not get all warm and fuzzy yet. This FAQ is an anomaly. Yes, it cleared some questions and was delivered relatively quickly. But considering GW`s track record I am still reserving judgement. Remember that there are still many unanswered question left ( and not just from the Guard Codex ).

FAQ wrote:Whilst lasguns are robust weapons ideally suited for firing continuous volleys, hotshot lasguns cannot sustain such a high rate of fire.

Somebody hasn't played Dawn of War.

George Spiggott wrote:

FAQ wrote:Whilst lasguns are robust weapons ideally suited for firing continuous volleys, hotshot lasguns cannot sustain such a high rate of fire.

Somebody hasn't played Dawn of War.

Uhg. In Dawn of war lascannons shot like multilasers and plasma guns shot as fast as lasguns.

One thing to keep in mind is that there is at least one halfway decent build for stormtroopers: 5 men, two meltas, deep striking. the accurate landing means they'll land exactly on target over half the time, and two BS4 melta guns are pretty decent. It's not a great unit, and pales in comparison to veterans, but this whole new codex reflects a new design philosophy for IG, which is that BS4, chimeras, and even Valks are less rare than previously though, while all special operations infantry, infiltrators and deep strikers in particular, are less common.