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Broodlord by himself with implant attack, toxin sacs, and fleshhooks by himself is 90 points. That makes him WS 6, S 6, I7, 4 attacks (3 base +1 scything talons) that ignore armor and does 2 wounds on a successful wound. You have to pay points for a genestealer retinue though, at least 5 stealers = 70 points. Even still, that comes out to 90+70=160 for one broodlord. So, its 100 points cheaper than Abbadon and you get a handful of stealers to take/add wounds in combat.

Let's mathhammer that out, if we consider a single broodlord with the aforementioned biomorphs were to charge first (which is likely, with the broodlords infiltrate ability.) The broodlord will attack first with the increased I stat of 8. He gets 5 attacks on the charge. WS 6 vs. WS7 = 4+ to save, giving his attacks a 50% chance of hitting. That equates to 2.5 attacks connecting. To wound, S6 vs. T5 = 3+ to wound. Therefore, out of those 2.5 attacks that hit, 1.66 of those attacks will wound. Now, Abbadon has a 4+ invulnerable save, so there is a 1 in 2 (or 50%) chance that he will save against that wound.

Abbadon, on the other hand, gets anywhere from 5-10 attacks. If he were to charge, that gets bumped from 6-11 attacks. He would attack at the same time as the Broodlord on the charge with I7. However, he has a better chance of killing the broodlord outright due to his high number of attacks. His to-hit roll would be 3+, meaning that 3.96 to 7.26 attacks will connect on average. The to-wound roll for those attacks is a mere 2+, meaning that approximately 3.4 to 6.24 attacks will still wound on the first roll. That isn't including rerolls, which only have a 16% chance of failing again. Let's call that 3.64 to 6.67 attacks wounding the broodlord. No armor saves allowed, and the broodlord has no invul. save. Three wounds on the broodlord = dead broodlord, on first round too.

Therefore, yes Abbadon is the safer bet in CC. But it can be assumed that if 2 broodlords with those accruements were to assault him simultaneously, he could be insta-gibbed before Abbadon gets to assault back. Also, broodlords with implant attacks are really only useful against multiple-wound targets, whereas Abbadon is useful against anything that can die.

But for the points cost, you can see that broodlords are not a bad deal at all. I am going on too long as it is to worry about math-hammering in the retinues, but with genestealer help broodlords could definitely overwhelm abbadon.

I hope they trump up the broodlord and make him really bad in 5th edition nids codex-He always causes problems for me with a large genestealer retinue in games....especially since my opponents mistook preferred enemy....re-roll hit and wounds my tzeentchian tentacles...

Yeah, it would be nice to get rewarded for making those Space hulk models playable in 40k

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Yeah, it would be nice to get rewarded for making those Space hulk models playable in 40k

You know theres a crazy fad going around called "converting" You should look into that. It apparently fixes any rules problems you may come up with

That is my point, I already did the converting and it would be nice for those ultra-expensive models to be worth the while in the game.

An Arcite on a jetbike is killier than an Archon on a jetbike... Higher initiative, wych weapons (halve enemy weapon skill, can't use two cc weapons), plus the arcite has a 4++ in CC if the shadowfield goes down.

GHAZGHKULL MAG URUK THRAKAAAAAAAAA!

Let me throw out a point in favor of Ghazghkull that no-one has yet mentioned; he's totally immune to all forms of ID. He doesn't have the EW rule, so even things that counteract that still won't kill him; he's got his own rule, which just says, "immune to instant death". In short, force weapons, S10 weapons, Abbadon's daemon-sword, all don't insta-frag him. I contend that would let him stomp any other character named here into the mud, assuming he gets his Waagh!

And really, it would take a fairly dumb player for him not to against most of these characters.

I would have to say the Black Templar Emperor's Champion, main reason is that for 50 points he can make an entire close combat oriented army re-roll all missed hits, this is not him being the beast but his effects are beastly. he is only WS 6 Str 6 Init 5 with 2 wounds, though he does wear artificer armour. but again the EC's true strength is in his vows, especially the acept any challenge no matter the cost, this confers preferred enemy for all enemies on all battle brothers in the army.

BeRzErKeR wrote:GHAZGHKULL MAG URUK THRAKAAAAAAAAA!
"immune to instant death".

Which is what eternal warrior says. Enjoy your wolf of the wolf wolf and demon hunter force weapons.

I find this thread's lack of Prince Yriel, disturbing.

Whats not to love about a str6 ap3 large blast template over the guy you just dog piled on in the assault phase?

Sorry I haven't updated for a few days. Been away temporarily. The list is now updated.

Sudden swing for Ghazzy!

Awesome choice somebody had in selecting 'One Grot'. I have this mental image of a Warlord Titan descending on a grot, who simply smiles and reaches for his steroids...

The Tau Ethereal!

LAWL.

It's gotta be a Chaos character. They're all positively terrifying in CC. They take down entire squads in one assault.