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I thought dimentia sets in with age? or something like that

anyways mate, got work in 6 hours or so and i need sleep
we'll carry this battle of the wits on tomorrow once i get some sleep and get back from work XD

Despite the wings looking pretty crap for a ForgeWorld model, and the sheer size of it (I mean really... it's WAY TOO FREAKIN HUGE), it looks awesome.

All good, JD. Enjoy your beauty sleep.

Has anyone taken a close look at the paintjob on the wings and skin? It's amazing. I love the iridescence of the wings' edges.

As far as the wings and overall pose go, this is supposed to be one of the greaterest of the Greater Daemons of Tzeentch, right? He's not gonna have to do much dancing around or strain too much to unleash the super-spells. I think his static pose conveys "Abracadabra, I can kick your behind without raising a sweat!". Considering the amount of energy he's generating though, it would have been nice to see more rippling of the robe and fluttering of the feathers to represent the winds of magic swirling around him. If needed, there's plenty of toys and garage kits with dynamic wings that would fit...

I don't understand the "He's just a birdman" comments. Lords of Change have always been birdmen (or winged Skeksis rather). If they had given him lots of eyes or made his form more plastic, you can be sure the traditionalists would have been pissed.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:This model is amazing. Why is it so much bigger than the Bloodthirster though?

I don't know for certain that it's 999 points, but given that they've stuck with the sacred numbers so far (666 for the Slaaneshi one, 777 for the Nurgle one and 888 for An'grath) it stands to reason that it'd be 999 points for the Greater LoC.

I feel like I've read confirmation of that somewhere... In addition to the points cost reason and fan preference aside, in the fluff Tzeentch has been hinted at as being the most powerful of the gods seeing as he manipulates the very fabric of their existance. It may have been their intent to reflect this in the size of the model?

Elusive71 wrote:
I feel like I've read confirmation of that somewhere... In addition to the points cost reason and fan preference aside, in the fluff Tzeentch has been hinted at as being the most powerful of the gods seeing as he manipulates the very fabric of their existance. It may have been their intent to reflect this in the size of the model?

I don't want to turn this into a long debate or flood this thread with "No, my god's better than yours" comments, but I'm pretty sure Khorne is considered the most powerful since he's the oldest and his aspect (Violence/War/Conflict/Bloodshed) is the most prominent thing in the galaxy...

But as for this model, I think it's the wings that really kill me about this model. I think it's the rounded edges... Overall, if I were to play Tzeentch (more than likely won't happen), I'd buy the Vrock from Ultraforge and save a crapload of money.

Darth Bob wrote:I don't want to turn this into a long debate or flood this thread with "No, my god's better than yours" comments, but I'm pretty sure Khorne is considered the most powerful since he's the oldest and his aspect (Violence/War/Conflict/Bloodshed) is the most prominent thing in the galaxy...

That may be, although is he the oldest? I guess that would make sense since folks have been killing each other for as long as there's been folks. It's definitely a toss-up between the two. I think they're all silly to be honest. I just remember reading something (actually a couple different somethings - one of the Realm of Chaos books or Liber Chaotica maybe?) that hinted at Tzeentch's power over magic and therefore over Chaos and therefore over the other gods. All their powers wax and wane though depending on what's going on in the mortal realm.

Elusive71 wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:I don't want to turn this into a long debate or flood this thread with "No, my god's better than yours" comments, but I'm pretty sure Khorne is considered the most powerful since he's the oldest and his aspect (Violence/War/Conflict/Bloodshed) is the most prominent thing in the galaxy...

That may be, although is he the oldest? I guess that would make sense since folks have been killing each other for as long as there's been folks. It's definitely a toss-up between the two. I think they're all silly to be honest. I just remember reading something (actually a couple different somethings - one of the Realm of Chaos books or Liber Chaotica maybe?) that hinted at Tzeentch's power over magic and therefore over Chaos and therefore over the other gods. All their powers wax and wane though depending on what's going on in the mortal realm.

I think all the Chaos Gods hold their power fairly balanced, and as you say, their power waxes and wanes with the mortals (that's why I would say that since people are always fighting in the Grimdark, Khorne's power is constantly fuelled). And yes, to answer your question, Khorne was the first god to reach full fruition and embodiment, with Tzeentch and Nurgle close behind, Slaanesh bringing up the rear (both figuratively and literally ) as the youngest.

Kanluwen wrote:...

Wow. New low.

You get this gorgeous model...
And people are focusing on the "wings looking too static" or "too rounded" or the "pose looking awkward"?

These bigger display Daemons aren't meant to be "kung fu pose #5!" or the like.

Boggles the mind.

What boggles my mind is how big they made the damn thing. My chaos demons have a hard enough time trying to use cover to get to their targets without being shot to hell. I don't need a model the size of godzilla that towers above my buildings to give me more of a disadvantage.

Also save for the cool staff and horror materialising in his other hand I find the model to be very boring. I'll stick to third parties for my greater demons and demon princes for now.

augustus5 wrote:

What boggles my mind is how big they made the damn thing. My chaos demons have a hard enough time trying to use cover to get to their targets without being shot to hell. I don't need a model the size of godzilla that towers above my buildings to give me more of a disadvantage.

Just curious...but since when has it ever been a perogative to try to get cover saves on something that's called a 'Gargantuan' Creature?

Plus, if he's anything like what his rules were for the display at Gamesday, he's packing T8, W9, and a 3+ invuln.

I think Tzeentch is the most powerful, after all, he once controlled the other 3 gods using his staff, When they all ganged up on him, he broke the crystal and sent it to the far corners of the universe.

Model's amazing, will probably buy it soon, after Scabieathrax but before Anggrath.

Definitely expected more from fw. The armour/staff and the horror's detailing is perfect, but the pose and the wings ruin it for me. Personally I'll be buying the vrok. As stated earlier, ultraforge did it earlier, better, and cheaper.

I got mine yesterday - washed the resin last night, and started work on it tonight.

My advice - if you're not experienced working with resin, this isn't a good choice for a first go at it. I would not recommend this model to anyone without a Dremmel (or other Rotary tool) at the very least.

Several of the pieces are very thin, almost sheetlike - and these have delicate spikes on them. I guess that's somewhat par for the course, I just expect them to break off at some point, and am debating removing some of them myself, so at least I can control where the break is, and paint it with that in mind.

The most complex part was removing the excess resin tab from the wings. Without my Dremmel's cutting and engraving bits, this would have taken days with a knife or file. As it was, even with the power tools, it took at least 15 minutes per wing, perhaps longer. The tabs are at a funny angle, with parts of the wing cupping them, so even a jeweler's saw would be hard pressed to take care of these parts easily.

There are several curious joins (the rear flap of his tabbard is a separate piece, kind of odd for a robe piece), and a decent amount of gap filling will be required (although, this is the case with all large resin pieces).

In person, the wings look better than in the picture. They're not wildly dynamic, but they have a sort of subtle presence to them, like the feeling that, while this guy looks like a somewhat decrepit old bird, he could unleash a ton of power all at once. From what I've seen so far, I really like it. My wife is already saying it will be the best looking of my four daemon lords.

I'm really torn about how to paint the feathers. Part of me wants to paint every feature individually, and make them somewhat kaleidoscopic, with a huge number of differently coloured feathers. But there's also the airbrushed blend approach. It's really easy to do smooth blends with an airbrush, and that's the traditional look for a Lord of Change's wings (Blue through Purple to Red, generally). I think the multi-coloured approach could look cool - and very bold - but I'm worried that it might not work out quite right. I'm very torn about this...

I vote you break open some glowsticks and light those wings up that way. Awww yeah.

I think it looks cool.

I'd like to have one of each of the FW greater daemmons.

Redbeard wrote:I'm really torn about how to paint the feathers. Part of me wants to paint every feature individually, and make them somewhat kaleidoscopic, with a huge number of differently coloured feathers. But there's also the airbrushed blend approach. It's really easy to do smooth blends with an airbrush, and that's the traditional look for a Lord of Change's wings (Blue through Purple to Red, generally). I think the multi-coloured approach could look cool - and very bold - but I'm worried that it might not work out quite right. I'm very torn about this...

I'm suddenly reminded of an army that Janthkin once put together. It was an Eldar army I believe, all done in a very nice set of metallic colours. I could see this things wings have a metallic 'sheen' to them.