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carmachu wrote:er, nocant really get into it like the OP stated. If you really want to push back....stop buying and convince everyone around you to stop buying. Its the only real way they'd even remotely listen.

Been doing this alot.

Hawkins wrote:

carmachu wrote:er, nocant really get into it like the OP stated. If you really want to push back....stop buying and convince everyone around you to stop buying. Its the only real way they'd even remotely listen.

Been doing this alot.

You and me both. I just dont buy, have plentty to trade for or buy used on ebay. *shrug*

Like the game, hate the company.

The thing is the GW boycott is going to fail before it starts. GW might see a dip in profits for one quarter or even for one month but when those few that leave are replaced by more that come into the GW fold then that profit dip will be a profit gain and GW will just attribute it to a bad month or just a normal market fluctuation.

Ford doesn't profit every month, I'm positive their monthly, let alone quarterly profits fluctuate and it's something that the bookkeepers are not going to panic over. Now if Fords quarterly profits drop by 30% they might panic but as has been stated earlier a single digit percentage of the player base not buying GW for 2 months is not going to be noticed by the bookkeepers working for GW.

It would take the vast majority of the player base boycotting GW to make an impact and like I said, the majority of Dakka is NOT the majority of the worldwide player base. Dakka does not even HAVE the majority of the player base as members so 60% of Dakka complaining is probably about 8% of the worldwide player base complaining (maybe fewer as I'm just trying to be generous for dakkas benefit).

Fateweaver wrote:

It would take the vast majority of the player base boycotting GW to make an impact and like I said, the majority of Dakka is NOT the majority of the worldwide player base. Dakka does not even HAVE the majority of the player base as members so 60% of Dakka complaining is probably about 8% of the worldwide player base complaining (maybe fewer as I'm just trying to be generous for dakkas benefit).

Also worth noting that despite the amount of negative-GW posts; the amount of traffic for threads that focus on upcoming GW stuff like the Nids seems to outscore their negative counterparts by a lot if that means anything.

*shrug* Well score for score, i feel better for doing something, rather than nothing at all and will continue to tread on GW whenever and however i can till febuary. (perhaps longer if there really arent any results) truth to tell your arguments just make we want to do more, and more. and as ive said in other posts, there are a lot of better alternatives to spending money on GW. You might disagree. but that really doesnt effect my stance against GW.

lets face it all comes down to spending, cut the spending even a lil and you cost GW and thats really the heart of it, cost them profit, pay them back for the poor way they treat the customer and people like Tom by choosing not to give them money.

So thanks and keep it up i think i need the negitive energy to give me that extra push.

Nuff said from me.

So in a nutshell a boycott of GW will never have any effect so long as more people praise GW than hate them (again, nothing that can be disproven except to use Dakka as a model and well that's just a piss poor model to use).

In a nut shell, i belive GW deserves the negitive publicity its been getting. boycott or no, lost money is lost money.

I don't have a huge post count, but here are my two cents:

You talk about influencing GW financially - boycott, shareholding and whatnot. As many of you have pointed out, this side of GWs business is run by bookeepers and venture investors, who will probably not even notice any internet based fan strategy.

But what about the creative end? I'm no expert, but I've noticed that peculiarly for GW, most of the rule material (codices) are made by one man teams. This gives persons like Jervis Johnson and Phil Kelly a lot of influence in how the actual game is going to look. For instance, it seems that the whole "special rules through special characters" thing stems from one man - Jervis.

These developers are the ones I'd like to contact, not the bean counters. My biggest gripes with GW are inconsistent rules and lack of farsight in the design phase, and I think emails with actual creative input would give the biggest bang for the buck. After all, our strength lies in experience with the games, not numbers!

At my newspaper the journalist is the king of the story, not the accountant. I've seen it again and again - readers' input to the editor gets lost in business strategy, while input to the journalist (with tips!) changes what is written and how.

Fateweaver wrote:It would take the vast majority of the player base boycotting GW to make an impact and like I said, the majority of Dakka is NOT the majority of the worldwide player base. Dakka does not even HAVE the majority of the player base as members so 60% of Dakka complaining is probably about 8% of the worldwide player base complaining (maybe fewer as I'm just trying to be generous for dakkas benefit).

I don't even think the majority of Dakka would be willing to boycott GW.

Fetterkey wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:It would take the vast majority of the player base boycotting GW to make an impact and like I said, the majority of Dakka is NOT the majority of the worldwide player base. Dakka does not even HAVE the majority of the player base as members so 60% of Dakka complaining is probably about 8% of the worldwide player base complaining (maybe fewer as I'm just trying to be generous for dakkas benefit).

I don't even think the majority of Dakka would be willing to boycott GW.

Yours is most likely a very accurate statement Fetterkey,similiarly most people in general wouldn't boycott the multitude of fast food establishments no matter how often they are handed incorect orders,convienice outwieghing comitment,and genral complacincy.
Reading many of the nay sayers post,I'm a bit disheartend,not so much concerning a boycott of GW,but of a genral "well that's how business goes..so lump it" attitude in many of them.
Perhaps boycotting GW won't affect them,or in any way shape or form convince them to be a bit more interested and supportive of the paying coustemers who keep their lights running and their wheels turning,however by not opening my wallet and handing my money over to GW, I can feel a little better about the fact that I didn't contribute to them.

Am I the only one that read this thread title as the Great Pan Fo of 2010?

The Pan Fo will not be denied!!!

malfred wrote:Am I the only one that read this thread title as the Great Pan Fo of 2010?

Yes.

I suspect the late night 'mod meths sessions' are having an undesirable effect on your eyesight...

As mother used to say 'If you keep doing that, you'll go blind'...






(my response was, of course, 'Can I keep doing it till I need glasses?')

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

malfred wrote:Am I the only one that read this thread title as the Great Pan Fo of 2010?

Yes.

I suspect the late night 'mod meths sessions' are having an undesirable effect on your eyesight...

As mother used to say 'If you keep doing that, you'll go blind'...






(my response was, of course, 'Can I keep doing it till I need glasses?')

Caught by your mother? MGS, you need to put a lock on your door. And draw the shades on
your windows.

malfred wrote:

Caught by your mother? MGS, you need to put a lock on your door. And draw the shades on
your windows.

Well there was that time, sony walkman playing full blast, that on opening my eyes after 'the vinegar strokes' there was a nice cup of tea left on my bedside table...

malfred wrote:And draw the shades on your windows.

Why would his mother be looking in from the window? That's just creepy...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

malfred wrote:And draw the shades on your windows.

Why would his mother be looking in from the window? That's just creepy...

Maybe she was inside, looking out.

Lets hope MGS keeps it inside the house...public nakedness and all not withstanding.

I'm not denying people the satisfaction of making themselves feel better by not feeding some "evil" corporation. If it makes you feel better than that is all that counts. It's just a futile effort to think it's going to make a huge impact.

If 60% of ALL GW customers boycotted for 2 months they'd feel an impact but I'm willing to bet that not even 5% could commit that much and 5% of the gamers not buying anything WILL go unnoticed by the bean counters. Markets fluctuate and that is what it'll be written off as; market fluctuation. Not to mention when the 2 month boycott ends (as it apparently is set to due February 1st) many people will go back to buying as per normal or in the case of Tyranid players will just spend that much more in February. Result: A jump in sales for GW in February and March rendering the little 5% loss in revenue even more of an anomaly/market flux by the GW bean counters.

If he closes the shades and has a light behind him, he can put on a strange sort of puppet show...

Fateweaver wrote:Lets hope MGS keeps it inside the house...public nakedness and all not withstanding.

I'm not denying people the satisfaction of making themselves feel better by not feeding some "evil" corporation. If it makes you feel better than that is all that counts. It's just a futile effort to think it's going to make a huge impact.

I don't really consider GW "evil",I basicly see them as indifferent concerning their "fan base" and more or less profit chassing.
What bothers me most is that GW doesn't have to practice business this way,it chooses to practice business this way.
As a leading producer of TTWG minis/etc,GW could easily maintain a healthy bottom line while still showing more interest in "coustumer satisfaction/relations",it's a shame their "bean counters" don't seem to get this or care.

Couldn't expect my last post to be taken seriously and don't blame others for not doing so either...sorry for bad post.

Anyway, there just doesn't seem like a way for a unified front. Don't not do something but realize we all need to take some kind of action in order to make something happen and it may just have to be in our own way. So whatever you do, as long as you don't hurt people, do something. If you want mail/email them (in triplicate per corporate suit), do so. If you are boycotting them, let everyone know in your signature. If you buy all of you GW stuff from ebay then list the auction number in your signature. Keep a tally of money spent on other miniature companies and GW in your signature. There is tons of other ways to do something to get your message across. If you just don't want to do anything please be respectful of those who do and not try to derail their efforts.

FITZZ wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Lets hope MGS keeps it inside the house...public nakedness and all not withstanding.

I'm not denying people the satisfaction of making themselves feel better by not feeding some "evil" corporation. If it makes you feel better than that is all that counts. It's just a futile effort to think it's going to make a huge impact.

I don't really consider GW "evil",I basicly see them as indifferent concerning their "fan base" and more or less profit chassing.
What bothers me most is that GW doesn't have to practice business this way,it chooses to practice business this way.
As a leading producer of TTWG minis/etc,GW could easily maintain a healthy bottom line while still showing more interest in "coustumer satisfaction/relations",it's a shame their "bean counters" don't seem to get this or care.

I don't mean "You" as in YOU Fitzz. I'm referring to everyone that things GW is evil and that a 2 month boycott by a single digit portion of the fanbase won't make a significant impact.

malfred wrote:

Caught by your mother? MGS, you need to put a lock on your door. And draw the shades on
your windows.

I just listen for steps on the basement stairs.

Fateweaver wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Lets hope MGS keeps it inside the house...public nakedness and all not withstanding.

I'm not denying people the satisfaction of making themselves feel better by not feeding some "evil" corporation. If it makes you feel better than that is all that counts. It's just a futile effort to think it's going to make a huge impact.

I don't really consider GW "evil",I basicly see them as indifferent concerning their "fan base" and more or less profit chassing.
What bothers me most is that GW doesn't have to practice business this way,it chooses to practice business this way.
As a leading producer of TTWG minis/etc,GW could easily maintain a healthy bottom line while still showing more interest in "coustumer satisfaction/relations",it's a shame their "bean counters" don't seem to get this or care.

I don't mean "You" as in YOU Fitzz. I'm referring to everyone that things GW is evil and that a 2 month boycott by a single digit portion of the fanbase won't make a significant impact.

I agree with you concerning the efectivness (or lack thereof) of a 2 month ,small number boycott,I honestly doubt it will even register on GWs radar.
However,I stand by my previous statement concerning GW business practices,and wonder that if GW continues their current practices if future "boycotts" will be short termed or small numbered.
At some point GW must concern itself with it's fanbase,it simply makes good business sense.
Or perhaps I'm wrong and GW can continue to sale happily along on the funding of adolecent/new player dollars.

I guess we'll find out in the future. In the meantime I'm going to keep pumping money into their corporate account to fund my Tyranid army.

No other mini manufacturers make minis that look as good as the Tyranids and I am not about to start getting rid of armies because of something they've done to some fan sites for a game I have no desire, nor ever had a desire to play.

Call me selfish or a fanboi but it is what it is.

Fateweaver wrote:I guess we'll find out in the future. In the meantime I'm going to keep pumping money into their corporate account to fund my Tyranid army.

No other mini manufacturers make minis that look as good as the Tyranids and I am not about to start getting rid of armies because of something they've done to some fan sites for a game I have no desire, nor ever had a desire to play.

Call me selfish or a fanboi but it is what it is.

Eh. Mine was a sad slow decline from a game that interested me at one point and reall stopped
at another point. However, I'd probably be back if I hadn't found other games to supplant
40k's place in my interest. I guess I just wish I enjoyed the game more than I do. I mos'
def' like the look of the models still after all these years.

It's good that not everyone is quitting over how a company treats it's customers.

You'd think some people would stop driving cars or buying gas or eating out at diners/cafe's/fast food joints if they let corporations eat at them this much.

I don't like how oil companies overjack fuel prices but I'm not about to bike everywhere (and living in a state where it snows 7 months out of the year and being 8 miles from town I'm not about to walk or bike) just to "stick it to the man". Everyone in the US saw the epic fail of the "great one day gas strike that saw oil companies lowering the price of crude oil".....errm, wait it did no such thing.

Good to see not everyone is knee jerking themselves into a torn ACL or a broken nose from jerking your knee into your face.

Fateweaver wrote:I guess we'll find out in the future. In the meantime I'm going to keep pumping money into their corporate account to fund my Tyranid army.

No other mini manufacturers make minis that look as good as the Tyranids and I am not about to start getting rid of armies because of something they've done to some fan sites for a game I have no desire, nor ever had a desire to play.

Call me selfish or a fanboi but it is what it is.

I wouldn't call your actions selfish,you like the minis,you aren't bothered by GWs business practices and you choose to purchase the items you want,that's personal freedom and I'm in support of that.
And hell,even I don't intend to light my current armies on fire and hurl them from my window in some halfassed protest of GWs current practices,but barring the Forgeworld stuff my GF bought for me for Christmas (she was unaware of the "boycott"),I choose to not keep pumping my money into GWs corporate account.
Guess we can just agree to disagree....much like the whole Chaos codex affair.

Ah yes. I do love the CSM codex threads. More excuses for those who think dakka represents all the chaos players in the world to call those of us who logically point out that isn't the case fanboys and apologists.

Always a laughing good time.

I wish I had a gf nice enough to buy me FW stuff. Feth it all, I wish I had a gf. LOL.

So far, the community as represented is split between "this won't work", "this has already been done", "I don't care enough" and variants thereof making up the large majority - at least to my reading. For myself, I will continue on the path so many before me and after me have followed: I'll stop purchasing things from GW, and build the massive stockpile of things I already have acquired.


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As a side note, I really enjoyed Grot6's meandering post that claimed that the CEO, who makes a lousy 400k USD a year, essentially runs the illuminati and that they'd "come after me" somehow.