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Wolfstan wrote:Having worked my way through all the posts, I have to say it's interesting to see that it appears that a vast majority of the American posters have, a real distrust of government. Given that you've beena round for over 200 years and the sole purpose of creating the US was to have a country that was free of this type of dissent... you don't seem to of done a very good job. Even if you have the party of your choice in, you still basically don't trust them! You appear to want to be left alone and have to pay none or minimal taxes, with no real input from the Federal government. Just how does a country work that way? I don't mean it as a cheap shot, but you do appear to come across as not really knowing what you want out of a government.
You're actually pretty right on the mark here. Americans DON'T like to put too much trust in government. We like to be able to make our own choices on how to run our lives. We don't like interference and micromanagment from people we don't know and who more often than not become corrupted by politics. Keeping the federal govenment more or less out of people's day to day lives is one of the checks and balances set up to prevent the government from amassing too much power over the lives of its citizens.
One point where you're wrong however is about the purpose of creating the US to avoid such dissent. My friend, dissent is one of the fundamental ideas on which this nation was founded. If everyone just went along with whatever the government wanted, they would be free to do whatever they wanted. I'm not trying to say the government is evil, but too often they think they know what's best for us. It would be like if I was to come along and impose my opinions on you simply because I had more say in the way things were run. If you disagreed with my opinions, I'm sure you wouldn't like me doing that at all. That's how it is with us. We elect our politicians to represent us in the government, but sometimes the influence they have gets to them and they start trying to push through laws based on their personal idealogy. No one ever said our system was perfect, but it is the best one we have, and it has been working just fine so far.
Sorry it's still coming across as a somewhat twisted system. I think you're anti government for anti governments sake. It's funny, the biggest anti government supporters are the right wing voters in the States, however they let a President take you to war based on facts that were twisted to suit his agenda. The very thing that you rebel against happened.
I've been typing and retyping and I still can't really put into words how very odd you guys sound when talking about your government and the protecting of your freedoms. It reminds of the saying, "just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you". You seem, as a nation, so scared from your history that you're always looking over your shoulder and keeping an eye on "the man". "The Man" who in fact is made up of your own population, so therefore would have the same history as you.
All I'm saying is that its what works for us. It may not make as much sense or work as well for you, but the same could be said for your style of government. If it works for you, that's awesome, but it may not be what we want over here. We're not anti-government, we're opposed to the government accumulating too much control.
In regards to your position on the Iraq War, it wasn't just the political right who initially approved of it. Only after things got difficult and expensive did people start wondering whether or not that was a good idea, but then again, hindsight is always 20/20. Also, the Iraq War did not affect the rights of US citizens the way an issue like gun control does. Gun control is a domestic issue, while the decision to go to war is a foreign policy issue, and Americans make huge distinctions between the two.
And yes, we do like to keep an eye on "the man" to make sure "the man" never abuses his position, becaue power has the potential to corrupt. It's just a safeguard, most of us don't think the government actually would try to abuse its power, but just in case, we have these checks and balances to be on the safe side. It may not make sense to you, but it does to us. Its a cultural difference I suppose.
"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes." - Robert A. Heinlein
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Wolfstan wrote:Having worked my way through all the posts, I have to say it's interesting to see that it appears that a vast majority of the American posters have, a real distrust of government. Given that you've beena round for over 200 years and the sole purpose of creating the US was to have a country that was free of this type of dissent... you don't seem to of done a very good job. Even if you have the party of your choice in, you still basically don't trust them! You appear to want to be left alone and have to pay none or minimal taxes, with no real input from the Federal government. Just how does a country work that way? I don't mean it as a cheap shot, but you do appear to come across as not really knowing what you want out of a government.
You're actually pretty right on the mark here. Americans DON'T like to put too much trust in government. We like to be able to make our own choices on how to run our lives. We don't like interference and micromanagment from people we don't know and who more often than not become corrupted by politics. Keeping the federal govenment more or less out of people's day to day lives is one of the checks and balances set up to prevent the government from amassing too much power over the lives of its citizens.
One point where you're wrong however is about the purpose of creating the US to avoid such dissent. My friend, dissent is one of the fundamental ideas on which this nation was founded. If everyone just went along with whatever the government wanted, they would be free to do whatever they wanted. I'm not trying to say the government is evil, but too often they think they know what's best for us. It would be like if I was to come along and impose my opinions on you simply because I had more say in the way things were run. If you disagreed with my opinions, I'm sure you wouldn't like me doing that at all. That's how it is with us. We elect our politicians to represent us in the government, but sometimes the influence they have gets to them and they start trying to push through laws based on their personal idealogy. No one ever said our system was perfect, but it is the best one we have, and it has been working just fine so far.
Sorry it's still coming across as a somewhat twisted system. I think you're anti government for anti governments sake. It's funny, the biggest anti government supporters are the right wing voters in the States, however they let a President take you to war based on facts that were twisted to suit his agenda. The very thing that you rebel against happened.
I've been typing and retyping and I still can't really put into words how very odd you guys sound when talking about your government and the protecting of your freedoms. It reminds of the saying, "just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you". You seem, as a nation, so scared from your history that you're always looking over your shoulder and keeping an eye on "the man". "The Man" who in fact is made up of your own population, so therefore would have the same history as you.
Perhaps this may shed a bit of humours light on the subject.
Cation:profanity.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
Wolfstan wrote:Having worked my way through all the posts, I have to say it's interesting to see that it appears that a vast majority of the American posters have, a real distrust of government. Given that you've beena round for over 200 years and the sole purpose of creating the US was to have a country that was free of this type of dissent... you don't seem to of done a very good job. Even if you have the party of your choice in, you still basically don't trust them! You appear to want to be left alone and have to pay none or minimal taxes, with no real input from the Federal government. Just how does a country work that way? I don't mean it as a cheap shot, but you do appear to come across as not really knowing what you want out of a government.
You're actually pretty right on the mark here. Americans DON'T like to put too much trust in government. We like to be able to make our own choices on how to run our lives. We don't like interference and micromanagment from people we don't know and who more often than not become corrupted by politics. Keeping the federal govenment more or less out of people's day to day lives is one of the checks and balances set up to prevent the government from amassing too much power over the lives of its citizens.
One point where you're wrong however is about the purpose of creating the US to avoid such dissent. My friend, dissent is one of the fundamental ideas on which this nation was founded. If everyone just went along with whatever the government wanted, they would be free to do whatever they wanted. I'm not trying to say the government is evil, but too often they think they know what's best for us. It would be like if I was to come along and impose my opinions on you simply because I had more say in the way things were run. If you disagreed with my opinions, I'm sure you wouldn't like me doing that at all. That's how it is with us. We elect our politicians to represent us in the government, but sometimes the influence they have gets to them and they start trying to push through laws based on their personal idealogy. No one ever said our system was perfect, but it is the best one we have, and it has been working just fine so far.
Sorry it's still coming across as a somewhat twisted system. I think you're anti government for anti governments sake. It's funny, the biggest anti government supporters are the right wing voters in the States, however they let a President take you to war based on facts that were twisted to suit his agenda. The very thing that you rebel against happened.
I've been typing and retyping and I still can't really put into words how very odd you guys sound when talking about your government and the protecting of your freedoms. It reminds of the saying, "just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you". You seem, as a nation, so scared from your history that you're always looking over your shoulder and keeping an eye on "the man". "The Man" who in fact is made up of your own population, so therefore would have the same history as you.
I consider myself not to be "anti-government" but "anti-big-government". It's a slippery slope, once you surrender one freedom, regardless of what it is, it becomes obvious to anyone that wants to take advantage of you that you won't put up much of a fight to protect them. I don't own guns because I'm worried about the military kicking my door in because the gays are taking over, I don't even own them primarily to defend my house, (although it's a nice bonus), I own guns so that I can hunt my own food. Food that tastes much better than the crap you can buy at the grocery store. I also feel that regardless of what I do with my firearms, I have a right to have them as long as I'm not hurting anyone, (who isn't trying to hurt me that is). And why should the government be allowed to decide if I can own these particular items? Because it's dangerous? Any more dangerous than ciggarettes? or motor vehicles? or alchohol? or stupid people with pencils? no, statisics show that my ciggies are much more likely to kill me than duck hunting, and my government seems to be just fine with tobacco use, hell they make money from it. It's my life, not the states. But all in all, this UN deal doesn't have me worried about anyone infringing on my rights.
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All the power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn. Therefore every assumption of State power, whether by gift or seizure, leaves society with so much less power; there is never, nor can there be, any strengthening of State power without a corresponding and roughly equivalent depletion of social power." - Albert Nock
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
You didn't include the copypasta where a Republican wakes up in the morning and has his alarm clock regulated by the Federal Alarm Clock Commission and his waffles invented by the Belgian senate in 1856 before watching Fox News?
I am disappoint.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
mattyrm wrote:dont you guys just take the whole "right to bear arms" thing a bit seriously?
Nope. When those UN black helicopters start landing, and pulling their orders off the backs of STOP signs, I'll be ready!
Yeah, i bet thats going to happen. We should all have guns in England just incase the French and Spanish create a new armada and parachute into the UK to force us not to make anymore episodes of Mr Bean.
Mine sounds more likely.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Ah, Dogma has been hitting the sauce me thinks....
DR:80+S(GT)G++M++B-I++Pwmhd05#+D+++A+++/sWD-R++T(Ot)DM+ How is it they live in such harmony - the billions of stars - when most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
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-Illeix
You appear to want to be left alone and have to pay none or minimal taxes, with no real input from the Federal government. Just how does a country work that way? I don't mean it as a cheap shot, but you do appear to come across as not really knowing what you want out of a government.
Acheron Tomb Legion (shelved until codex update)
Revenants of Khaine Corsair Fleet (2000 and growing)
Blood Reapers Chaos Warband (World Eaters, Iron Warriors, and Death Guard) The only army I actually win games with! 
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