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pretre wrote:I just spent two minutes in the Codex and found exceptions to your rules. And don't give me 'But Celestine died...' of course she did. Everyone dies.

I wasn't exaggerating. I gave examples to prove my point-- and I mentioned that C:WH does indeed have a few fluff bits of Sisters achieving victory. But there's very little of it outside of the faction's own codex.

And I mentioned the fact that another Order was there in my list They were forced to pull back after the Flesh Tearers went berserk, but weren't so utterly destroyed in the battle (which has been mostly victorious).

pretre wrote:I just spent two minutes in the Codex and found exceptions to your rules.

Or you could have read the previous page in this thread to find out that her claims are wrong.
Anyway, how about making this thread more on topic than off topic? Not every Sororitas thread must/should lead to long off topic flame wars.

I agree!

All should endeavor to make it so.

please please please Dark Eldar

I have always wanted to play them from the fluff, but due to money and lack of availability to buy the models (local GW doesn't even have em) has always stopped me

please GW I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants them

Dark Eldar appear to be next given most rumors, so you're in luck.

I'd be interested in starting a DE army, so long as they made the new models match the better artwork from the codex (seriously, why can't they look like this?), and the fluff still depicts them as the S&M army.

Aduro wrote:I think Sisters should stick with the Martyr theme. You've already got Black Templar for the crusading knights ideal.

Agreed. It fits them better I think as well, irrespective of who had it first

I really want to see a bigger/more comprehensive SoB codex though, although i'll honestly be annoyed if they cut the inquisitors out of it... It just doesn't make much sense to me to do that.

Demoniac wrote:

Aduro wrote:I think Sisters should stick with the Martyr theme. You've already got Black Templar for the crusading knights ideal.

Agreed. It fits them better I think as well, irrespective of who had it first

I really want to see a bigger/more comprehensive SoB codex though, although i'll honestly be annoyed if they cut the inquisitors out of it... It just doesn't make much sense to me to do that.

It doesn't fit them better, it just makes them into the butt-monkey of the 40k universe.

Adding in Inquisitors never made sense to me why they stuffed it in in the first place, so I won't miss them if/when they're removed...

Melissia wrote:It doesn't fit them better, it just makes them into the butt-monkey of the 40k universe.

What does that even mean?

Melissia wrote:Adding in Inquisitors never made sense to me why they stuffed it in in the first place

Because they changed the fluff, something they do often and without warning, and something that makes your staunch view on what Sisters 'are' so hilarious, given how many times it's been changed.

Melissia wrote:...so I won't miss them if/when they're removed...

Those of us with extensive Inquisitorial armies tend to hate statements like that one. Were I to say "If Sisters were to get squatted, I wouldn't care", you'd no doubt be calling for my blood, so try to have a little bit of compassion for those of us who will be losing yet another army whilst you get to keep your oh-so-precious Sisters of fething Battle.

Melissia wrote:
It doesn't fit them better, it just makes them into the butt-monkey of the 40k universe.

Adding in Inquisitors never made sense to me why they stuffed it in in the first place, so I won't miss them if/when they're removed...

See I just don't agree there, admittedly I never got to play SoB back in 2nd Edition, but the whole theme of the "completely devoted until death" religous style fits the sisters way better than crusading knights... I mean, even look at what they (I assume) are based on; Joan of Arc. A martyr. I like the new style, and i certainly don't think it lessens their importance in the 40k universe, nor does it make them seem any less awesome an army to use...

As for the Inquisitors, i love them. They add an interesting element to the armies, are (IMO) awesome HQ units, and just generally seem to fit with the style of both the SoB Codex and the DH codex... I'll be pretty annoyed if they get rid of them.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:

Those of us with extensive Inquisitorial armies tend to hate statements like that one. Were I to say "If Sisters were to get squatted, I wouldn't care", you'd no doubt be calling for my blood, so try to have a little bit of compassion for those of us who will be losing yet another army whilst you get to keep your oh-so-precious Sisters of fething Battle.

I'm one of those Inquisitorial army/SoB guys lol

Mellisia, you seem pretty pissed off about the SoB. You keep pointing out parts that make them weak, or fluff that you don't like. Yet when anyone is against them, you call for blood (I've seen it in other threads too). Well, what I want to know is: If you think the Sisters are so weak, than why not pick up another army? Stop playing them for a while, and wait for the new rules. You'll be refreshed when you pick them up again. Or, STOP COMPLAINING. Bad rules and expensive models aren't the end of the world. I am thinking of starting a GK army, which has, by my reckoning, bad rules and expensive models. So call out the good in the Sisters, not the bad. Maybe people will play them if you tell us all the reasons you like them so much. Or, if you think there is no good, and you are playing Sisters just so you can complain, than please keep your complaints to yourself, far too many of these topics are becoming SoB flame wars.

Back on topic: I would love to see Inquisitors in the Daemonhuters/Which-hunters Codex. They add a lot of character. And, they let you use Assassins, which, if my proxy battles are a judge, are amazing. I don't like Daemonhosts in the Daemonhunters army though. It seems so counter productive.

1: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButtMonkey

2: And yet, it still makes zero sense. Retconning doesn't justify everything. One could retcon Calgar to actually be the Emperor in disguise, but it wouldn't make sense either.

3: I never suggested the Inquisition get squatted. I just want them out of MY damn codex. Face it, your "army" was effectively copy/pasted from the DH codex into what was supposed to be a Sisters of Battle codex, and the ONLY reason they did this was to advertise for the Inquisitor specialist game.

Let the Inquisition get their own book, which is exactly what the rumor mentioned in the first post of this thread suggests will happen, and something which, you should note, is something I support.

LORDEATSALOT wrote:

Back on topic: I would love to see Inquisitors in the Daemonhuters/Which-hunters Codex. They add a lot of character. And, they let you use Assassins, which, if my proxy battles are a judge, are amazing. I don't like Daemonhosts in the Daemonhunters army though. It seems so counter productive.

It does, but by the same token it gives players options. If you like the Daemonhosts and Inquisitors and don't mind/like using allied units or the Guardsmen, it's just another choice.


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Melissia wrote:
3: I never suggested the Inquisition get squatted. I just want them out of MY damn codex. Let the Inquisition get their own codex.

I dunno dude... Having them in each individual codex (WH and DH) made sense to me as the way it was explained in the codices was that each faction of the Inquisition is intrinsically linked to each of the different orders (Ordo Malleus are linked with Daemonhunters for obvious reasons, Ordo Hereticus with Witch Hunters/SoB etc..)... I really liked the addition, and (without some serious additions to the codices), the SoB and DH would have next to no individual units to choose from if it weren't for the Inquisition choices.

Like was said before as well, the addition of the Inquisitors gives yet more choice as it allows for the use of assassins, not to mention the more obvious and (imo) appropriate use of allies.

LORDEATSALOT wrote:Melissia, you seem pretty pissed off about the SoB.
[spelling correction mine]
[snip]

No, I am pissed off at GW's handling of them.

I point out parts of their army list that makes them weak-- in a thread DIRECTLY related to that subject, entitled "most useless unit". Repentia really ARE that bad. But I have also said I have a ~1.35 win/loss ratio (lowering from 1.5:1 since C:IG) with my Sisters, so obviously I don't think of them as weak overall, now do I? I point out aspects of the fluff which make Sisters into the scratching post of the galaxy. And yet I also love the concept behind them. I point out parts of the models that I despise. And yet I also point out parts that I love. I do have other armies (hell, just reading the signature text alone should let you guess that much), too. This one, however, is my favorite.

So, to swing this subject off of me and back on topic, you're wrong, so let us move on shall we?

Demoniac wrote:I dunno dude... Having them in each individual codex (WH and DH) made sense to me as the way it was explained in the codices was that each faction of the Inquisition is intrinsically linked to each of the different orders (Ordo Malleus are linked with Daemonhunters for obvious reasons, Ordo Hereticus with Witch Hunters/SoB etc..)... I really liked the addition, and (without some serious additions to the codices), the SoB and DH would have next to no individual units to choose from if it weren't for the Inquisition choices.

Like was said before as well, the addition of the Inquisitors gives yet more choice as it allows for the use of assassins, not to mention the more obvious and (imo) appropriate use of allies.

1: As opposed to a single codex dedicated to the Inquisition, which has more options for the Inquisition, more fleshed out allies rules, and it's all in one place?
2: If Sisters didn't have Inquisition to take up space in their codex, they'd have a few more Sisters units instead.
3: No it doesn't. It takes away choice from a Sisters army because it takes space in the codex which could have been dedicated to the Sisters. Similarly, having the Inquisition shoehorned into another faction's codex means that there isn't as much space to give to the Inquisition as well. It's not good for either faction.

Separate codices means that they will actually get the attention they both deserve. And hell, if MArines can get seven codices dedicated to them, the Inquisition at least deserves one of its own.

Melissia wrote:

1: As opposed to a single codex dedicated to the Inquisition, which has more options for the Inquisition, more fleshed out allies rules, and it's all in one place?
2: If Sisters didn't have Inquisition to take up space in their codex, they'd have a few more Sisters units instead.
3: No it doesn't. It takes away choice from a Sisters army because it takes space in the codex which could have been dedicated to the Sisters. Similarly, having the Inquisition shoehorned into another faction's codex means that there isn't as much space to give to the Inquisition as well. It's not good for either faction.

Aye that's fair.

I think what I'm most worried about are the individual inquisitor types being changed and losing the awesome WH Inquisitor models... As long as the rules specifically for WH and DH are still there I don't mind so much. EDIT: And as long as the two are easy to integrate into each other...

It'd actually be interesting to see just what else they added into the Codex for SoB if they didn't have anything else in there.

I agree.

Hey, hey, I wasn't trying to argue. Nor will I EVER admit that I am wrong. Moving on...

I don't think I would like it as much if the Inquisition got their own codex (unless I get to see Ordo Assasinorium, or whatever Ordo watches over the Ordo Assasinorium). But, it would be a very GW thing to do. Hey DH and WH players, you guys love you assassins and things right. Yeah? Well no you have to buy another codex just to have the rules to use them. Oh, and we are making GK silver space marines. But don't worry, we'll fix all the rules/ C:Inquisition screw ups in the 15th Edition. See you then!

Or you could get a book that gives you a lot more in the way of inquisitorial acolytes, wargear, more radical stuff, Ordo Xenos...

Melissia wrote:Or you could get a book that gives you a lot more in the way of inquisitorial acolytes, wargear, more radical stuff, Ordo Xenos...

Aye that's what I'd hope for. If they arranged it in sections for each of the Ordo-specific units, then a section for "universal" Inquisitorial units, I think it would be amazing... I'm just in love with my current WH Inquisitor Lord and retinue lol

As long as it's done right (what are the chances? :() then it could well be amazing.

Well, that's what I'm hoping for. At the very least, =][= look to be getting their own book, though probably a supplement more along the lines of Dogs of War based off of this rumor and a few previous ones.

Ah well, we'll see soon enough no doubt.

Nice work on that fan Codex btw, a couple of things I'm not so sure about (possibly due to something i've missed on the actual story/fluff front), but all up it's pretty good

I'd really like to see the Inquisitors not be needed in the new codex. Not that they wouldnt be there but not needed. I really would like to see the Sisters be different from Marines and Guard as they are to each other. More models, more unit types, more ic's and less of the 'ally with this faction, take stormtroopers,' etc. Right now they are borrowing so many of their stuff from the others. Strength, toughness, chimeras and stormtrooperes from the guard and Rhino's and the 3+ save. Sisters need to be a full fledged army, not the child of a Marine and Guard army.

The strength and toughness of Sisters is because they are human. That's extremely unlikely to change. Technically Eldar has that S and T, too.

And I'd rather they kept their 3+ save. That helps differentiate them from a vet-based Guard army (which can have entirely 4+ saves), and goes along with the wealth of the Ecclesiarchy in that they are able to pay for the production of power armor.

Melissia wrote:The strength and toughness of Sisters is because they are human. That's extremely unlikely to change. Technically Eldar has that S and T, too.

And I'd rather they kept their 3+ save. That helps differentiate them from a vet-based Guard army (which can have entirely 4+ saves), and goes along with the wealth of the Ecclesiarchy in that they are able to pay for the production of power armor.

Agreed completely.

I always thought of the SoB as being absolute exemplars of the human side of the 40k universe, utterly, fanatically devoted to the emperor, undergoing training that gives them skills almost as good as the Astartes (hence the BS4), and the Ecclesiarchy can afford to pay for both the training and the equipment.

I'm torn a bit, in one sense I'd like to see some interesting SoB/Mechanicus pacts (giving them some more opportunities for individual vehicles), but at the same time it seems somehow wrong to have possibly the most emperor devoted army in the universe get that close with a sect that doesn't primarily worship him...

Touche. I just want them to be more than just elements of two armies thrown together with some fluff and given boobs.

You see, here is where I MUST step in.

It may be the conservative sexist in me speaking when I say this, but keep in mind, while I absolutely do not feel that women do not have a place in the 40k universe, I absolutely believe that women do not have a place in the 40k universe

(Pause to let shock dissipate)

No offense!

Now to explain, I think the concept of a purely female army running around in power armor setting things on fire all the while is not only perhaps the dumbest thing to come out of a 13 year olds live-journal, but also a HELL of a lot more sexist then my previous statement two lines up...

GW should ret-con this army out of existence and instead create a more bi-gender line of figures for the imperial guard and have female models in their upcoming "inquisition" (which honestly, should just be "Holy IG, with better armor and stronger 'faith'"). As of right now, one of the common images the SoB Model Range portrays are a bunch of Feminist-Lesbians who take their fashion advice from Lady Gaga (see figure 1)

Figure 1


Which also forces them into the corner-niche of martyrdom from similar 'strong willed' women of history (such as Joan of Arc) which seems to be a flavor even their strongest of fans dislikes...

The best way to "fix" the Sisters of Battle is to dissolve them, and turn them into an Inquisitorial force (which also should change its name as to not be confusing. I still love the irony of taking Inquisitorial 'allies') either that or merge them with GKs, either way, I still believe that the initial cause for the Sisters of Battle was to get the lesbian community involved in this war-game, and has run its course. You don't need a bunch of "Fame Monsters" running around trying to fool you with their "Poker faces" to get girls interested in 40k, hell if that were the case, why not just abandon the Eldar model range...

... speaking of which!

I am totally looking forward to new DE! The new models will probably be nice (not that they desperately need it, all things considered the DE range is not too terrible given its age) but more-so looking for the Vehicle improvements / list flexibility I am hoping we will get post DE launch!

I've heard August from many sources, September from others and few state the release in November. If GW was planning on doing a 3 month release, that puts the date in August, anyone here any other news pertaining to a Codex Release date?

So... a pop singer who came out LONG after the SoB and has once had a hairstyle similar to a single picture of a SoB fluff drawing is your basis for opposing the army?

Also-- lesbians? Do you automatically assume any female in the armed forces is a lesbian? Are all male nurses gay?

You, sir, are a pox on the gaming community. You drive out diversity and offend others all in some misguided, misogynistic worldview straight out of the 1800s.

Please, crawl back under the rock you slithered out from beneath.

/apologies to the mods for breaking some forum rules. Do as you must, but this sort of idiocy should be opposed at all times and in all venues.

kartofelkopf wrote:So... a pop singer who came out LONG after the SoB and has once had a hairstyle similar to a single picture of a SoB fluff drawing is your basis for opposing the army?

How do you know John Blanche cannot travel through time?

I like SoB, and I'm neither female, nor a lesbian...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

kartofelkopf wrote:So... a pop singer who came out LONG after the SoB and has once had a hairstyle similar to a single picture of a SoB fluff drawing is your basis for opposing the army?

How do you know John Blanche cannot travel through time?

John Blanche's ride: