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Damn, what I want to know is where they got the proportions for Satan. Judging by warboss' find up there, they seem to have them. THAT must have been a hell of a measuring session!

Lol, just having a bit of fun there, nothign to take seriously. On Topic, I keep looking at that base and it keeps looking the same to me. Really interesting ideas, execution just didnt follow through. For some reason, the face-down souls just puts me in mind of Inferno. Did Dante do a torment related to that? Seems just out-there enough to be.....

The messianic fervor of Ex Illis's fan base aside, I think there is some place for software-assisted miniature-wargames. I wouldn't want to play something that required a laptop though. That's just too much.

But I could see some kind of game with a "basic ruleset" that can be played with nothing but dice and an "advanced ruleset" that can be played over devices like iPhones and Android phones. You load an armylist into your phone and then when you are within range of another player, the software in each phone links them all together into one game. To keep the interface simple they wouldn't keep track of exact miniature positions, you just tick off bands of movement for each unit each turn. For attacks you just touch your unit's attack option icon and then it would automatically pop up a list of your enemy's units as targets. The fun in stuff like this wouldn't be so much the difficult math as it would be the ability to hide surprises in units that the game would guarantee were legally paid for, but you wouldn't need to prove by showing your opponent your army roster.

But even more fun I think would be that the software could produce turn-by-turn logs of battles that could be uploaded to a website and turned into a kind of miniatures gamertag. It could even suggest you take a picture of units that defy the odds and do something heroic, giving your valiant warriors the chance to be featured on their site.

But I wouldn't even want to bother with a system that required me to bring in extra hardware just to play the game. Better to use what I've already got there.

MadNes wrote:

@ Navarro - I was under the impression you and I were having a good gentlemen's debate. I'm unaware of an inflamatory statement I've made. You should also know, Dakka is infamous for being one of the "flamiest" boards.
I'm sure you can understand how it can be... Challenging to maintain a cool head when your getting dogpiled. Thus far, I've been doing OK.
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Mate I was not refering to you and me, I have a very very thick skin and besides my comments were more towards the general feeling that you and some Exillis folks were just being over defensive to the point of giving a bad taste to whats suposed to be a new enjoyable wargame.
Personally and in general if theres a new company on the pool and trying to do something diferent Im all for them although I believe exillis are just not in the same channel with the potential clients...

Warboss post really sums it up... guys at exillis DO NEED to stop posting crap on the net, its not helping their cause... If they want to appeal to the familly thats just fine but do they need to trash like 99% of their core market? the nerds?

As for the game debate I love videogames and I love table top wargammes, both do have diferent appeals and "hardware" and personally I rather have a videogame session separated from tabletop games, its diferent tastes.
I believe its a great alternative for those wanting to mix experiences and I hope theres lots of them

What scale is Ex Illis?

28 mm as far as I have seen the base in question is for a large demon model representing the devil

BrookM wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Any associated with the Ex Illis game who wants to communicate with their intended market in this forum should study the history of an operation known as 'Battle Foam,' and their interactions on this site. Welcome to the wargaming community. It's hell.

Agreed, Romeo is an excellent example of listening to and enabling the community. I don't know what that means but IT power phrases sound fitting.

I have to say personally that I found Romeo... well, nothing more than a good businessman. I don't know him outside of his interactions on this site and others with regards to his products. I had a minor disagreement with him once that resulted in my not-purchasing-it-after-all... but I'm the sort of customer that retailers hate. Overall he handled all manner of criticism very well and came up with a great product, and regardless of my experience I'm proud to have been around to see him get his brand up.

As I said before, so far I've seen Ex Illis cop nothing but a fair storm of gak, and that's exactly what Romeo got at first. On the other hand, pushing a new game system is a completely different thing to selling a modular accessory for an established hobby genre. I'd like to see... I'd love to see Ex Illis do well, but not if they're haplessly flogging their gear with thin promises that don't quite seem to add up. A game system is a little more personal than custom-cut foam.

Slightly irrelevant here, but I saw an iPad poster today that said it was 'magical and revolutionary'. We know it isn't magical, and an oversized smartphone that doesn't make calls is original but not revolutionary. Advertisers... scum of the earth. But we know why they do it. We wouldn't have food if we didn't have dirt. We wouldn't have any variety if GW were the only scum allowed to sell us their junk.

Ex Illis doesn't appeal to me in the slightest visually, but I am going to give the game system a crack...

warboss wrote:lol, i was going to start defending the company since i actually like their minis until i read an interesting bit of the website. so... to recap, a brand spankin' new poster comes onto the site to angrily refute criticisms of the company's upcoming product while at the same time calling people like us a "handful" of "elitist" "nerds".

http://ex-illis.com/wikien/What_is_Ex_illis

Are we not?

Cut these guys some slack. Yes, they need to hire a proof reader / writer for whom english is the native language. These are french canadian guys. I've mentioned the problem to them but hey, they do what they can, and frankly, I prefer they spend their resources releasing more product.

What theyMEANT to say is, you COULD get into the game at a very basic level and the interface is friendly enough that you could mash buttons with your kids and play that way OR if yo choose, the game has enough depth, that you could play a competarive game against an elitist nerd. Someone who could take the time and peel the ex-illis onion to get down to the very advanced gameplay.

If you take offence to the statement, perhaps the issue is you feel you MAY be elitist. Personally I know I'm not. I also don't take offense to being a nerd. I've been worse things in my lifetime. I actually wear that title proudly.

P.s. Good to have you back on the thread john, your posts really make me smile. Have a great Day gentlemen! 3 days till gencon

Nerd? Absolutley.
Elitist? No, buddy.
I dont know who they think they are pandering to, but they missed the mark in throwing that one out there. I rather suspect it will turn off a few folks just beyond me.

MadNes wrote:
Cut these guys some slack. Yes, they need to hire a proof reader / writer for whom english is the native language. These are french canadian guys. I've mentioned the problem to them but hey, they do what they can, and frankly, I prefer they spend their resources releasing more product.

*snip*

If you take offence to the statement, perhaps the issue is you feel you MAY be elitist. Personally I know I'm not. I also don't take offense to being a nerd. I've been worse things in my lifetime. I actually wear that title proudly.

lol, they purposely try to insult their userbase and i'm at fault for taking offense? calling a group a handful of elitist nerds is NEVER a term of endearment. doing so and then expecting their money is ridiculous. this is not a slip of the tongue (or finger in this case) from a bunch of french canadians who incidentally are forced to take english classes for pretty much their entire school career and are from a country that is officially bilingual. dp9 is in the same geographic/linguistic boat and yet they don't seem to try and flame their userbase openly.

listen, i get it that you're at minimum a superfan of the game. after a quick google search (i only bothered to look at 2 pages worth of results from the last 3 days) on ex illis and base, i've found that you've started almost a dozen identical threads on this company's big base in one day on different message boards and news sites (here, warseer, boardgamegeek, TGN, miniwargaming, etc) usually with accounts that are less than a month old. if you're not being paid by the company, then they need to start doing so because you're really trying to push their products on a netwide campaign. initially here you said the pic was a "leak" but that wasn't true and you've since edited it out of the first post (it's hard to be a leak when the company emails the pic as part of news press releases the same day). on sites where the discussion goes sour and people comment on the blobbyness of the base, richard de leur (or whatever his name is) swoops in to "save" the company's honor (he's done this aggressively on at least two other boards i found in those two pages of searches). if he is an official employee of the company, you need to tell him to stop spending his time insulting his userbase both in forums and the company's wiki page and spend that time possibly addressing the concerns of those he insults.

either way, i'm done with the company's products before starting. i was interested in them after seeing pics for the first time in this thread (hadn't seen the figs before this thread) but i don't need another love/hate relationship with a gaming company. (damn you gw with your awesome fluff/figs but exhorbitant prices and mediocre rules!!) if anyone asks me about the company, i'll simply state that i'm not part of their desired demographic being, you know, an elitist nerd and all. either way, have fun at gencon. i hope the company improves their attitute before meeting the biggest collected bunch of elitist gaming nerds ever.

On the other hand, if they're French-Canadian I can forgive them for coming off as arrogant in translation.

Perhaps they chose to design this game system out of spite for a proportion of the gaming community as they see it... we can only hope that they are not such elitists!

I really think you're all blowing a throwaway bit of copy on a website way out of proportion.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really think you're all blowing a throwaway bit of copy on a website way out of proportion.

Pretty much true of most News / Rumours threads really.....

warboss wrote:

lol, they purposely try to insult their userbase and i'm at fault for taking offense? calling a group a handful of elitist nerds is NEVER a term of endearment. doing so and then expecting their money is ridiculous. this is not a slip of the tongue (or finger in this case) from a bunch of french canadians who incidentally are forced to take english classes for pretty much their entire school career and are from a country that is officially bilingual.

Who do they think they are - GW, issuing an earnings report?!?

Alpharius wrote:

warboss wrote:

lol, they purposely try to insult their userbase and i'm at fault for taking offense? calling a group a handful of elitist nerds is NEVER a term of endearment. doing so and then expecting their money is ridiculous. this is not a slip of the tongue (or finger in this case) from a bunch of french canadians who incidentally are forced to take english classes for pretty much their entire school career and are from a country that is officially bilingual.

Who do they think they are - GW, issuing an earnings report?!?

GW has that luxury, PP also not long ago said STFU to a user ... Rackham also thinked they had it and ... who's exillis again? To fragille to handle pissing against the wind I believe

Alpharius wrote:

warboss wrote:

lol, they purposely try to insult their userbase and i'm at fault for taking offense? calling a group a handful of elitist nerds is NEVER a term of endearment. doing so and then expecting their money is ridiculous. this is not a slip of the tongue (or finger in this case) from a bunch of french canadians who incidentally are forced to take english classes for pretty much their entire school career and are from a country that is officially bilingual.

Who do they think they are - GW, issuing an earnings report?!?

absolutely not. gw only insults gamers' wallets and intelligence; ex illis just simply chooses to cut out the middle man and insult the gamer directly!

Elitest nerds does not = wargamers They are a subset if wargamers. Pretending these people dont exist is crazy. They didn't call YOU an elitist nerd... If the shoe fits wear it, if it doesn't, then why take offense.

2) they should pay me - lord have mercy I'm taking a ton of flak. Friday was the worst. Yes, I am super fan. I can play ex with my old man and have fun, or play a wargaming vet at the gamestore in a brain burner. Whats wrong with accesibility.

3 richie rich is a grown man. I don't have the right to tell him or anyone else what to post and where. I control what I say and thats it.

I'm sorry, but if you have to lump people into categories to set yourself aside from them, then you're an elitist. I understand that this is ironic. Hopefully you can appreciate that and have a laugh.

Is this thread done yet?

Your posts on Dakka have been in line with every other 'testimonial' we've seen from people pretending to have nothing to do with the game they're shamelessly plugging. It would be much easier to discuss the game with you if you came clean... we've all seen it on Dakka before, and reasonable people really do appreciate the honesty.

As far as the leak thing. When I started those threads it was a leak. I found it while poking around on the wiki. I thought it was SO cool ( in my obvious lack of knowledge to what cool is) that I wanted to share it with others. I don't know many fantasy games that have something this big, Thats pretty dope to me.

As far as the edits - I post using my phond. I make a lot of typing errors. Don't read too far into that.

MadNes wrote:Cut these guys some slack. Yes, they need to hire a proof reader / writer for whom english is the native language. These are french canadian guys.

There is plenty of English speaking persons in Quebec, they probably hired someone who speaks English as their first language. If they did and chose the words carefully shame on them, if they didn't and use their knowledge of English thinking what they said was not a tid bit offensive shame on them for not knowing english better after studying it at least 11 years.

I think this thread is far beyond salvation.

OK guys - I suppose we've all had our fun in here, but let's remember to stick to the rules of Dakka Dakka, especially the NO personal attacks thing.

Send me a pm, I'll give ya my work number in Chicago. I'm one of the mailroom guys for a law firm

Wish I did work for the game company though.

I promote ex-illis because I think its that good of a game and I'm quite aware of how hard it is to break into this market.
I want them to do well for selfish reasons I want them to make more stuff
As far as why I post so much here, I enjoy the game, as well as a good TOPICAL debate. Plus its fun to test my wit against the mensa material on here. You boyz are sharp, but a bit set in your ways.

P.s. As long as there is a question asked or a debatable point, I'm going to respond. That's just my personality. Sorry.

MadNes wrote: I don't know many fantasy games that have something this big, Thats pretty dope to me.
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Gw has some, pp also has some big terrain and theres tons of companies that develop just bases or large terrain pieces.
THe problem with a specific base for one miniature is that on tabletop games it gets tiring to look at same base on same mini over and over again...

FOr example check mumak base for lotr... done some years ago and so much sharper than this 2010 exillis base...

Okay, I'm just looking at MadNes' previous posts.

I just find it really hard to believe that you are not selling or very involved with the game as a moneymaker. This isn't intended to be an attack. In this thread from months ago, you are clearly saying that you are running a demo with several loaner armies available to you. I am aware that Games Plus is not in Quebec... on the other hand I personally know shop owners who have been unable to get their hands on Ex Illis stuff to trial the game to date. Still... if I'm wrong, tell me.

I own 2 armies, my sister owns an army, my father owns an army 2 of my friends own an army and my stepson owns an army. At the game store we split them in half and play half starter v half starter if there are enough people to warrant it.

I demo the game because I like it a lot. I'm not aware of any pressgangers who get paid to demo games. If nobody plays ex-illis, games plus and chicagoland games stop selling. Thats bad for me (again selfish reasons)

Stores that cannot get product should send a pm to lucifer or sallah addine on the exillis forum. I have a hard time believing they would deny any store some help promoting the game.


Now, I've said I don't work for bastion. I would appreciate this part of the convo dying. I take offense to being called a liar.


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MadNes wrote: I don't know many fantasy games that have something this big, Thats pretty dope to me.
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Gw has some, pp also has some big terrain and theres tons of companies that develop just bases or large terrain pieces.
THe problem with a specific base for one miniature is that on tabletop games it gets tiring to look at same base on same mini over and over again...

FOr example check mumak base for lotr... done some years ago and so much sharper than this 2010 exillis base...

I thi that those bricks on the base are where the feet are going to go. If I'm correct, brother this thing is going to dwarf all those figs you mentioned. Kinda reminds me of when wizkids released galactus for heroclix.

I haven't called you a liar, and I won't. I accept your answer. Cheers.

Might have something to do with them being Australian stores.. hehe

Anyway, to my original point and how I'd like to end my involvement in this... the models don't appeal to me, but I'd like to give the game system a go. I can say nothing more having not tried it, although the interface seems awkward. Can you claim otherwise? I'd like to hear more about the smartphone/laptop side of things, and if it is absolutely necessary... or if it actually works well. Access to a lappy/phone aren't a problem for me. I can imagine how their involvement could be an advantage or a disadvantage, and you're clearly happy with it.
Also, what other tt games do you play? Just after perspective...

I'm wondering what their concept of Satan is. Hoping it's something unique aside the cliche goat horns/hooves approach. Really something sinister.

I discovered gaming through heroclix. I don't quite fit the classic gamer background so this was my doorway in.

I moved on to whfb around 5th ed. Lizards n brettonian box. I stuck with lizards cuz I'm mexican american an the aztec look resonated with me. I lost my army when my apartment was robbed. That in combination with the inability to get friends into the game made me hang it up for a while.

I found heroscape at toys are us and got hooked on that. Heroscapers introduced me to podcasts.

I found podhammer 40k radio and the d6g.
From there got into orks for 40k and chaos / vamps for whfb

I also play a neverborn crew in malifaux. Pandora is my fav, but I often throw killjoy in the mix

Play arcane legions a bit... But thats right around the time I discovered ex-illis (last gencon)


As far as the giant model, we don't know its going to be satan, thats just a guess. As far as having a different take - for starters Satan and Lucifer are different people. Actually people on the boards complained Lucifer doesn't look more classically devil'ish. Go figure.

Kurgash wrote:I'm wondering what their concept of Satan is. Hoping it's something unique aside the cliche goat horns/hooves approach. Really something sinister.

As far as gameplay, you may be able to find out for yourself.

http://forum.ex-illis.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2572&p=12807#p12807

This thread mentions bastion kicking around the idea of a 30 day free trial. Pop on and tell them ur interested.

MadNes wrote:
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NAVARRO wrote:

MadNes wrote: I don't know many fantasy games that have something this big, Thats pretty dope to me.
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Gw has some, pp also has some big terrain and theres tons of companies that develop just bases or large terrain pieces.
THe problem with a specific base for one miniature is that on tabletop games it gets tiring to look at same base on same mini over and over again...

FOr example check mumak base for lotr... done some years ago and so much sharper than this 2010 exillis base...

I thi that those bricks on the base are where the feet are going to go. If I'm correct, brother this thing is going to dwarf all those figs you mentioned. Kinda reminds me of when wizkids released galactus for heroclix.

Interesting...Dwarfs a mumak? Well something tells me you will post it here when its released, will be waiting for it and hope its a nice model.