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MajorTom11 wrote:Everytime a marine gets fw resin legs, an alpharius gets wings.

And flies to the nearest ATM lol.

Too true!

And look out, because apparently there's going to be a lot of flying Legionnaires soon!

I'm thinking that the armour is excellent, not sure about the weapons, and I like the caestus, if i had a marine army still i'd consider one.

Personlly i'm thinking that the'll do the badab wars, i was reading some fluff about bording actions in the fighting there

That stuff is epic! The £92 price tag on the Caestus is a bit of a downer but I may certainly get a squad of the Iron Marines, maybe use them as Sternguard Veterans. Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Valkyrie wrote:That stuff is epic! The £92 price tag on the Caestus is a bit of a downer but I may certainly get a squad of the Iron Marines, maybe use them as Sternguard Veterans. Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

but i liked those weapons, the new one's anger me

Valkyrie wrote: Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Rogue Trader era heavy weapons were smaller than the current batch (which are the same size as the 2nd ed-era shoulder mounted weapons, just moved off the shoulder), so I'm not really sure what you're referring to here.

Have to agree - that is an odd comment...

insaniak wrote:

Valkyrie wrote: Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Rogue Trader era heavy weapons were smaller than the current batch (which are the same size as the 2nd ed-era shoulder mounted weapons, just moved off the shoulder), so I'm not really sure what you're referring to here.

To be fair, the RT era Marines were also smaller.

I can't say I'm in love with them, contradictory to what the general feeling is. I don't like them. Hell, 5 will look impressive on the Table-Top, but if you actually look at the Detail Pictures and examine the Individual Miniatures... they just don't do it for me...

The umbra pattern bolter needed the magazine placement change because the old way makes it a bastard to position with the newer arms. I ended up shifting mine back to the trigger like FW have done because otherwise the marine couldn't hold it.
I'm, guessing the mk3 marines are holding the godwins and modern melta to show that the models are compatible with existing weapons.
That caestus is a very nice landing craft and has obvious influence from WWII vintage craft. What a pity it is not designed for ramming into the side of an armour plated spaceship. I'd have expected a nice pointy front for this. Maybe this thing is designed just to land inside a hanger or on the surface of the ship, It doesn't say, but it sure wont go into the side of a ship and those wings look destined to snap off in such an attempt which makes it a one way craft for suicide missions if that's it purpose.
Fortunately the marines and the weapons make up for that poor man's thunderhawk.

In regards to the old RT era bolters with the clip all the way to the front: I think those have been retconned out. If you look at HH cover art you'll see that they are using the "modern" style bolters exclusively.

Popsicle wrote:I can't say I'm in love with them, contradictory to what the general feeling is. I don't like them. Hell, 5 will look impressive on the Table-Top, but if you actually look at the Detail Pictures and examine the Individual Miniatures... they just don't do it for me...

Waiter - there's a fly in my soup!

Alpharius wrote:

Popsicle wrote:I can't say I'm in love with them, contradictory to what the general feeling is. I don't like them. Hell, 5 will look impressive on the Table-Top, but if you actually look at the Detail Pictures and examine the Individual Miniatures... they just don't do it for me...

Waiter - there's a fly in my soup!

Alpharius is Michael Steele!

Was that too obscure?

cadbren wrote:The umbra pattern bolter needed the magazine placement change because the old way makes it a bastard to position with the newer arms. I ended up shifting mine back to the trigger like FW have done because otherwise the marine couldn't hold it.

Cadbren, thanks for pointing that out. I was bumming on the clip placement until I read your post.

At least at one point a bolter shell has been described as having a micro rocket type motor for its guide assist. Rockets don't need as long a barrel as bullets. A rocket would only need 1.5 times its length for its barrel length to get what it needs less if its aided by an expulsion charge.

Bolters still are that. They were also caseless, meaning no use of ejection ports, instead they had vents along the side of the weapon, as can be seen in full glory and action with the good old Rogue Trader cover art.

But as with most things, the rule of cool overruled that bit, because weapons ejecting piles of brass are way cooler.

Alpharius wrote:

Kryppers wrote:They're a bit nice, but the Mk3 helmets certainly don't look like the same helmet (which I assumed was a Mk3 visored helm) that the newsletter posted as a teaser... more to come methinks..?

I was just about to mention this too!



It is significantly different!

MKII



MKIII



It doesn't quite look like either...

The mystery of it all!

Possibly a 'custom' suit for the upcoming IA: *********?

How come no one has said it looks like a pagk?...it looks like one...maybe the surprise is link with gks?...haha wishful thinking i know...

because we know better than that.

the pics name includes numbers and such and the initals 'HG' thus denoting honour guard (which some of us at warseer are guessing it is)


also @kryppers you CAN read can't you??? the mention that it's simply a first wave means people who have read this thing properely already knowtheres more coming.

I think those armors look great, I can't wait to see what the other Mk armors will look like, might have to buy some.

For people asking if the FW rules require consent, the debate should go there http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/308841.page#1798235 and not in this thread

The Caestus design, I'm sure, is a nod to Space Hulk. Two 5-man Termy Squads entering side by side.

Interesting tidbit from Shroudfilm over at The Great Crusade (and AWESOME Pre-Heresy forum, by the way!):

Shroudfilm wrote:
I'm fairly sure I am allowed to comment on this, as I'm not a GW employee but I have been party to some of the discussion at HQ regarding the desire for PH tie-ins...

GW won't release or endorse specialist products which are not part of main lines. Games which are considered 'specialist' which they DO support are ones that USED to be main lines but sales dropped.

Consider FW to be a testing ground for everything GW is unsure about. Anything which sells well or receives particular acclaim from modellers/gamers is snapped up by GW and produced in plastic as a mainstream release (Baneblade, Stormhammer, Drop Pods, newer variant styles of IG main tanks etc)

Basically, I think this is a VERY GOOD SIGN that GW is taking Heresy fans seriously, and we should buy lots of them! The RS and RG packs were proof that people wanted PH armour, and to my eyes this looks like a final test of the proverbial waters before a plastic decision is made.

Nice!

Also, from the same site, from Lord Commander Lucius:

Lord Commander Lucius wrote:

Thanks to a convasation with one of my local staff members, i can reveal what he told me. Take it as you will.

The next IA book is the Badab Wars and the packs are for the chapters involved. The lander from GD is a terminator assault vessel for boarding ships and can carry 10 termis, 5 in each side and has melta weapons built in, though i thinks that bit is in the newsletter.
There is also a loyalist version of Lugft Huron in terminator armour on the way.

As i said before, this could all be misdirection but i somehow doubt it. He was leaving the store today so had no need to be candid with us.

So, Badab Wars, confirmed?

Would seem to match up with the hints that FW has been dropping lately...

As much as I love PH stuff and am thrilled they are finally getting to it, at the same time I wish they would turn their eyes forward as well into the unknown.

As an adult, I have trouble enjoying imperial fluff in modern 40k anymore as it requires you to believe a society so massive and advanced could possibly function with such backwards and anti-innovative policies. Every option for technological evolution is cut off through fluff... study advanced alien tech? nope it's dirty heresy. Study our own tech? Nope it's heresy against the tooth fairies that live in my toaster. As I get older and learn more about politics, history and technology, I have a very hard time believing a society of that size, with those policies, could last more than a few hundred years, never mind 10000.

I get that this allows an excuse for game balance etc, but honestly, it would be really nice to see a completely new unit. It would be nice to read some fluff about a discovery or a change. The fluff of the Imperium is that is a stagnant, sorry place, but after 20+ years, the fluff itself is getting a bit stagnant too lol.

er... so ya, all that to say I want to see a NEW armor type as well as old ones lol. There was concept art a few years back of devastators and a few marines that looked amazing, but it was a little different and techier than the norm and never came to fruition. That is the kind of stuff I would love to see if some of you know to what I am referring.

Yeah, sadly that isn't going to happen.

I'm not saying it shouldn't, it just isn't!

A certain amount of disbelief has to be suspended at the door, otherwise...

My pre-heresy death guard will look nice in those suits!

insaniak wrote:

Valkyrie wrote: Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Rogue Trader era heavy weapons were smaller than the current batch (which are the same size as the 2nd ed-era shoulder mounted weapons, just moved off the shoulder), so I'm not really sure what you're referring to here.

While the early RT heavies were pretty small the late RT/2nd edition devs had HUGE boxy weapons on their shoulders.

Alpharius wrote:Yeah, sadly that isn't going to happen.

I'm not saying it shouldn't, it just isn't!

A certain amount of disbelief has to be suspended at the door, otherwise...

Ya I know... I would be more apt to suspend my disbelief in exchange for something freshly unbelievable though instead of rehash with a twist once in a while, after all, it's still gotta be 40k! (or maybe 45k or something, just to jump ahead a bit and see what happens!)

I suppose it has to be said...

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"Ack! Chaplain Grimaldus!"
"Hail to thee High Marshal Helbrecht!"
"Vot is this I hear that you will use your Ram today?"
"Aye High Marshal, my Ram has been polished and annointed with the sacred oils! Every part is well-lubricated and ready for I believe it will see heavy use this night!"
"Vot is your plan?"
"My plan, my plan is simple! It is the plan our mighty Primarch did use 10,000 years ago. I shall unleash my ram and build up power. Then when the moment is right it shall hurl forward with unimaginable power and penetrate the vulnerable rear!"
"The rear you say?"
"Aye! There my Ram shall lodge deep within my target and I shall unleash it's potent payload of white hot death!"
"Und then?"
"Then I shall pull out, my Ram will regain its power and once more it shall hurl forth and penetrate the rear of a new target! Or mayhap I shall instead penetrate the same target anew until my victim begs for mercy! Truly none shall withstand the power of my Ram this night!"
"Yah, yah, isht good. I hear your Neophytes vill join you."
"Of course! For they must learn not only how to penetrate the rear but also how to react when their own rear is penetrated!"
"Isht ein valuable experience. I shtill remember the firsht time I penetrated the rear vit you."
"It shall be glorious!"
"Yest, yest, but it isht still many hours away."
"Alas."
"In the meantime vot isht disht I hear about a boarding action..."

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Join us next time when Grimaldus and Helbrecht discuss their Goliath Mega Cannon.

"Steel yourselves Neophytes! Some men have fainted when they see the length and girth of my mighty GOLIATH MEGA CANNON!"

I'm not so sure it HAD to be said but it was entertaining.

The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Melissia wrote:The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Fluff-wise, probably not. The Ecclesiarchy isn't really supposed to have naval assets.

The Inquisition on the other hand...