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why did you use spoilers on historical fact? (questionable accuracy though it may be).

Once again, that WW2 thing was real y'know.

Viktor von Domm wrote:maybe it´s a language problem here but by your last post i couldnt understand your position...

what should your "spoiler" (which sound highly like something made up) achieve?

vik

Unless you know exactly everything that happened, don't act like you do.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:why did you use spoilers on historical fact? (questionable accuracy though it may be).

Once again, that WW2 thing was real y'know.

Also, the historical thing is off-topic is why.

I know this real, what are you trying to get at that with me?

This is about me painting.

Personally, I'd advise against it, even if I would probably actually pick them up and say 'That's bloody awesome' and admire the paint job/theme if done properly. (No, I'm not a Nazi-supporter, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy a well painted and interestingly themed army)

As was said earlier in the thread. If you have to defend your scheme to someone (And there would be alot of someones with this scheme), it'll lose alot of it's flair.

I always thought Death Korps were more a combination of Nazis and WW2 Russians to be honest anyway, so combine the two army themes, maybe use German colors with Russian battle markings or something, and there you go.

i know it may sound a bit i am mightier than you, but i am pretty sure i know lots more about the true things from that period than you by a long shot. and this comes not from reading suspicious websites but talking with people from different positions during that timeline.
truly i think you are young in years and that counts to your errors and gives hope for betterment.
although this hope gets ever so often destroyed by factblindness...

vik

sigh. The spoiler function is only for works of fiction. You can't spoil historical fact for someone.

look dude, I hope I'm getting through to you but basically you should paint you DKoK in dark and drab colours (black, grey, brown etc). I would be offended if you didn't because they are wicked models that are supposed to be dark and dirty looking.

However, painting swastikas on them, is at best, extremely tacky and at worst, declaring yourself a Nazi.

or final option being someone that stood right behind a think wall when inteligence was handed out...

Try for the Galactic Empire approach, i.e. make them Nazi-like without actually being Nazis. That worked great for Star Wars, we got us a load of iconic bad guys without making them obviously Nazis. Subtle can be just as cool as overt, if it's done right.
Hope that helped.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Try for the Galactic Empire approach, i.e. make them Nazi-like without actually being Nazis. That worked great for Star Wars, we got us a load of iconic bad guys without making them obviously Nazis. Subtle can be just as cool as overt, if it's done right.
Hope that helped.

I like that idea.


@ Domm and Kamikazie
Yeah, a brown skinned Nazi, makes sense.

The_Savior wrote:
Unless you know exactly everything that happened, don't act like you do.

Nor should you act as though there's still a lot of mystery surrounding the Third Reich and its motivations. Believe it or not, documentation a mere seventy years ago was still pretty thorough.

racism is only skin deep...
the color of ones skin isn´t important.
color, religion or sexual likes and dislikes, for beeing a nazi only hate is nneded for recruitment ...

vik

The_Savior wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Try for the Galactic Empire approach, i.e. make them Nazi-like without actually being Nazis. That worked great for Star Wars, we got us a load of iconic bad guys without making them obviously Nazis. Subtle can be just as cool as overt, if it's done right.
Hope that helped.

I like that idea.


@ Domm and Kamikazie
Yeah, a brown skinned Nazi, makes sense.

What? I don't even know what your refering to?

me neither...

Viktor von Domm wrote:me neither...

Dude, we tried. His listed age says 19 I hope to god that's a lie and he's 12. Only explanation.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:me neither...

Dude, we tried. His listed age says 19 I hope to god that's a lie and he's 12. Only explanation.

I'm talking about you saying I'm a Nazi.

Stop getting worked up about this, all I ever see here on Dakka is...

You're tool, idiot, child, racists, blah.

Everyone wants to be the hero, and point fingers.

Sorry, that I voice an idea and ask for opinions. But now it turns into a slander fest, based upon my character.

i wish you all the luck in the world to grow up. the world can be a little hard to people who don´t learn fast enough.
widom isn´t eraned easy... (not that i´m near that by a ong shot, mind you).

well this made my really sleepy, thanks for the support Kamikaze,

vik

The_Savior wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:me neither...

Dude, we tried. His listed age says 19 I hope to god that's a lie and he's 12. Only explanation.

I'm talking about you saying I'm a Nazi.

Stop getting worked up about this, all I ever see here on Dakka is...

You're tool, idiot, child, racists, blah.

Everyone wants to be the hero, and point fingers.

Sorry, that I voice an idea and ask for opinions. But now it turns into a slander fest, based upon my character.

Oh is this bothering you? Well then painting swastikas on your toy soldiers is a great idea.

Viktor von Domm wrote:i wish you all the luck in the world to grow up. the world can be a little hard to people who don´t learn fast enough.
widom isn´t eraned easy... (not that i´m near that by a ong shot, mind you).

well this made my really sleepy, thanks for the support Kamikaze,

vik

Or it could be that I don't care what you think is offensive? We didn't rule that out. But goodnight Vik, thanks for your input and words of wisdom.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:

The_Savior wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:me neither...

Dude, we tried. His listed age says 19 I hope to god that's a lie and he's 12. Only explanation.

I'm talking about you saying I'm a Nazi.

Stop getting worked up about this, all I ever see here on Dakka is...

You're tool, idiot, child, racists, blah.

Everyone wants to be the hero, and point fingers.

Sorry, that I voice an idea and ask for opinions. But now it turns into a slander fest, based upon my character.

Oh is this bothering you? Well then painting swastikas on your toy soldiers is a great idea.

No, it doesn't bother me, I think it's sad, that everyone wants to be the hero. No one wants to flamed, and everyone wants to be the pyro behind the work.

I do think it's a great idea to do it, because I want to do it. Doesn't mean I plan on saying I'm a Nazi.

If I was a Nazi, and truly hated Jews and the whole nine yards, you really think I would ask for peoples' opinions?

Viktor von Domm wrote:i wish you all the luck in the world to grow up. the world can be a little hard to people who don´t learn fast enough.
widom isn´t eraned easy... (not that i´m near that by a ong shot, mind you).

well this made my really sleepy, thanks for the support Kamikaze,

vik

Hopefully, your dreams won't be filled with goose stepping. btw, your screen name is sweet.

So, I guess we're done now.

Nazi is a bad idea to some.

I never called you a Nazi I said "However, painting swastikas on them, is at best, extremely tacky and at worst, declaring yourself a Nazi. "

In other words if you paint them like that I think you'll regret it in a few years....unless you are a neo-nazi. Then you'll enjoy them forever.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I never called you a Nazi I said "However, painting swastikas on them, is at best, extremely tacky and at worst, declaring yourself a Nazi. "

In other words if you paint them like that I think you'll regret it in a few years....unless you are a neo-nazi. Then you'll enjoy them forever.

I had an alternative, for the symbols. I thought of making the vehicles Iron Cross and if I had the time, just arm bands made of cloth for symbols.

So I could remove them if needed, or magnetized arms.

The_Savior wrote:
So, I guess we're done now.

Nazi is a bad idea to some.

Only to some?

I think you'll find that the numbers in support of it are a lot smaller than you think, and predominantly under the age of 20.

Seaward wrote:

The_Savior wrote:
So, I guess we're done now.

Nazi is a bad idea to some.

Only to some?

I think you'll find that the numbers in support of it are a lot smaller than you think, and predominantly under the age of 20.

Yeah... okay.

As far as I can tell there is no restriction on how you paint models you paid for.

Therefore if you have a creative idea, go with it.

People need to see this for what it really is, models that fit the theme, and a themed army. Tiny little plastic men. In costume. 40k isn't real, the tiny men aren't real, hell the battle isn't real.

This would be like me using tallarn imperial guard and saying it's al qaeda or something. Something I've thought about doing (damn the expensiveness of doing so!)

Use your rights in freedom of speech and expression, and do not fear doing so. So long as you aren't trying to convert people or anything infringing upon their rights, there is no problem.

Do it and be proud.


Paid for by the paint-yo-shiet how you want of America.

Well, I better go give all my Chaos demons top hats and monocles, as apparently my models representing something evil means that I myself am evil. I had no idea that a persons painting or army preference defined their personal character.
Guess it's time for me to invest into painting all my guys like super hero white knights, so that I can match the scheme of what every one here seems to support. Or Jersey Shore paint scheme to represent my desire to get laid.

Sure, Nazis are real. This is understood, but a FICTIONAL army based upon them is not. If we can handle the topics of child sacrifice etc. (Which, omg believe it or not IS SOMETHING that happened in many cultures historically) Then some one should have free reign to play as a different type of evil dickbag based upon another historical concept.
I'm not arguing that Nazis are good. I personally wouldn't use their color scheme for anything ever. But to say that a person's army is a direct representation of themselves or their character is a childish move used here by attempted internet superheroes.

juraigamer wrote:As far as I can tell there is no restriction on how you paint models you paid for.

Therefore if you have a creative idea, go with it.

People need to see this for what it really is, models that fit the theme, and a themed army. Tiny little plastic men. In costume. 40k isn't real, the tiny men aren't real, hell the battle isn't real.

This would be like me using tallarn imperial guard and saying it's al qaeda or something. Something I've thought about doing (damn the expensiveness of doing so!)

Use your rights in freedom of speech and expression, and do not fear doing so. So long as you aren't trying to convert people or anything infringing upon their rights, there is no problem.

Do it and be proud.


Paid for by the paint-yo-shiet how you want of America.

Thanks.

The difference is that to a lot of people, Nazi symbology is far more than just a symbol. They may have had parents, or family die at the Nazi's hands, and those symbols can easily remind them of that. There's a reason why the swastika is widely considered a hate symbol because, regardless of how it was originally intended, there is a LOT of meaning tied up in that symbol. There will be people who will be offended by it. It's easy to say 'it's just a symbol' when you weren't directly affected by it, but like it or not symbols have power. That's why they're symbols.

Your free to paint your army however you damn well please, just be aware there will be consequences. If you're prepared to deal with those consequences, then go ahead.

WWII was 70 years ago, running to someone directly involved in it it's pretty small I would think. especially in a hobby store no less. Of course the symbol still means things to young people too, but I don't think anyone's going to have a PTSD flashback around your doodz.

@ Asimo Maybe in the US, but you forget - Europe, Africa and Asia is where fighting and killing actually took place


TO ANSWER THIS GUYS QUESTION: YES IT BLATANTLY IS A CONTROVERSIAL THEME AS I GOT INTO WORK THIS MORNING AND HAD 50 EMAILS FROM THIS TOPIC!!

You will get this every time you play. I would suggest Thule Society, and doing for some people to do some reading. Spanish didn't intentionally disease Indiginous Americans (British did to Native North), the Alamo was originally Spanish/Mexican, and generally speaking it was a given for most of the last two thousand years if you hold out in a siege and you lose...you all get killed. Read Chief Joseph...to learn about Native Americans.

Anyway...unsubscribing...

asimo77 wrote:WWII was 70 years ago, running to someone directly involved in it it's pretty small I would think. especially in a hobby store no less. Of course the symbol still means things to young people too, but I don't think anyone's going to have a PTSD flashback around your doodz.

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Less someone directly involved, more someone who lost family, or grew up hearing stories about how much pain their grandparents went through and that kind of stuff. Not to mention, some Jewish people may find it offensive as is.

This is one situation where it's reasonable to be politically correct. The swastika and other symbols of Nazism still carry a hell of a lot of weight. Even if you aren't labeled as a Nazi sympathizer, you will get a lot of people who'll think your a dbag for just doing it.