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shrike wrote:your avatar comes into play here
anway- It isn't a CC powerhouse, my point is, to make libbies worthwhile, we need to either make them have an invul. or an ET, and a 4++is fairer than ET.
I have stated my point.

Yeah, the best HQ in the C:SM (except maybe a few SCs) certainly needs to be made worthwhile
Libbys are not ment to be a CC powerhouse, with your stats then why on earth would anyone ever take a captain?
If you feel the need to have an inv on your Libby then take Terminator amour and SS, problem solved.

And sure, its your character and you can use it however you like. But dont post extremly OP rules on a rules forum and act suprised when people give you flak about it.

it really isn't that much of a CC powerhouse.
against orks he kills 0.75
SM- kills 0.75
CSM- 0.75
'nids- 0.75
IG- 1.3
DE- 1.3
Eldar- 1.3
Tau- 1.3
DH- 0.75
SoB- 0.75
see? not that OP.
with might of the ancients and using the FW, that's:
SoB- 1.25
SM- 1.25
CSM- 1.25
DH- 1.25
DE- 1.6
tau- 1.6
eldar- 1.6
IG- 1.6
'nids- 1.6
orks- 1.6.

I rest my case.

Your math is totally off...

for SM, DH, SoB, CSM- 2 hit out of 3, 1.75 wound (2+ to wound- S6). No armour.

you have a BP as well...


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The Libby has a BP aswell...

with str 6 you kill as many GEQ as you kill MEQ. How are you doing as many wounds on a Carnifex as you do to an Avatar or a DP?

If you have RB and get the charge on an Avatar you will average 0.625 wounds so you have good chance of IDing the Avatar.

Vs a Carnifex you will average 1.666 wounds so almost a sure ID

ect ect

how's about I up the points?
most people don't have a problem with the psychic powers and stuff, so if I just make him a Tiggy w/ wargear options and 3 more powers, but no SR's...
He is now tiggy (same point if given master psyker (making him able to use as many powers as tiggy)), but has wargear options, +1A and extra powers.