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ruleswise- how good are the rules?
very underpowered. a lot less points.
underpowered. less points.
meh. fair.
overpowered. more points.
very overpowered. a lot more points.
don't care.

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@mwnciboo its not assaut vehingle

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I know i was responding to Magical moments.

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Whoa, easy guys lets stay on thread here. (I wish i had never mentioned the secret son of the emperor).

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I suppose the real achilles' heel is that you don't have to agree to play against it. My army is quite melta reliant, I would have to decline, or at least renegotiate the rules or points value.

How does this tank fit with BA by the way? Can BA take it? And if so can they deep strike it with 5 PW Death Company and a libby inside?

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Ol' Blighty

SmackCakes wrote:I suppose the real achilles' heel is that you don't have to agree to play against it. My army is quite melta reliant, I would have to decline, or at least renegotiate the rules or points value.

How does this tank fit with BA by the way? Can BA take it? And if so can they deep strike it with 5 PW Death Company and a libby inside?

BA can't have it- I think the dropping has something to do with it.


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This vehicle is incredibly potent, and definitely needs to cost extra points. AV14 all around that ignores meltas, lances, and inflicts a -1 penalty to all damage rolls is practically indestructible. Combine that with some great weapons, and just enough transport capacity for a scoring unit, and you have a vehicle that can just roll into the enemy, tank shocking enemies off objectives, blasting apart infantry, or nuking up to two vehicles a turn with twin-linked multimeltas, and there is very little you can do about it.

At least they had the presence of mind to keep Blood Angels from having it, otherwise it would be the perfect ride for a Sanguinary Priest and a min-sized unit.

It's the -1 to damage rolls that really puts it over the top. Without that, I'd say it's worth 300-325. With it, it should be like 400.
   
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Ol' Blighty

okay- so the TFC is ok (50pts without techmarine, so 250+50 = 300, and the lance/melta is a tad OP, but still not that OP, but then decrease chances of destroying (after hitting and penning) from a 1/3 to a 1/6... ouch. way OP IMHO.


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JB: I like the concept of a free Shrike roaming through the treetops of the jungle. I'm not sure that I like the idea of a real Shrike sitting on my couch eating my Skittles.
corpsesarefun: Thank god I missed be nice to shrike day.
greenskin lynn: because of all the skittles and soda, you basically live off sugar water, like some sort of freakish human-hummingbird hybrid. 
   
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Somebody post a reasonable eldar army list that has a chance to take this thing out without otherwise totally sucking and I will pay you.




In praise probably but still I don't think it can be done.
   
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Ol' Blighty

how much?


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JB: I like the concept of a free Shrike roaming through the treetops of the jungle. I'm not sure that I like the idea of a real Shrike sitting on my couch eating my Skittles.
corpsesarefun: Thank god I missed be nice to shrike day.
greenskin lynn: because of all the skittles and soda, you basically live off sugar water, like some sort of freakish human-hummingbird hybrid. 
   
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St. Louis, MO

mwnciboo wrote:I know i was responding to Magical moments.


Magical moments?
You sure you aren't an American? You know, with "close enough" being good enough and all. : )


mwnciboo wrote:What an Assault Vehicle for 3 termies? or 6 regular SM? you've got to be taking the piss....As you say the only thing to do is hammer this vehicle so often that its glanced into ineffectiveness and it becomes a 300pt Anti-tank weapon practice range, its never going to "high order".


SM can't buy 3 man Termie squads. So, unless you've got a unit of 3 IC's in Terminator Armor (ouch!), or remnants of a squad, they aren't getting one of these for a transport. These has Sternguard loaded in them.

Also, what you're saying about glancing them into ineffectiveness is all well and good, but you don't have any practical knowledge of the situation (no offense intended).
We were playing 2000 points. We had 6 Obliterators and a Land raider full of las cannons.
That doesn't take into account the melta weapons or power fists that whiffed into oblivion.

We shot the HECK out of these things. We just laid into them with everything we could get. The numbers involved just aren't there, man.
Figure:
2 Lascannon shots per turn (oblits): 4 hits.
2 TL Las cannons from the Land Raider: 1.5 hits (let's call it 2).
So, rolling to get through the armor with 6 hits means that 4 of them are going to do nothing, on average. One is going to glance & one is going to pen.
Random cover saves helps with these 2 that get through.
Assuming no cover, though, a 6 on the glamce chart becomes a 3. Weapon destroyed. Anything else is simply a "no shoot." Through the magic of PotMS, though, they still get one shot per turn.
On a Pen, anything less than a 4 is laughable, and even a 4 is only weapon destroyed.

Add in the fact that it's immune to the Melta and lance abilities, and it just makes it that much worse.

Barring certain grenades, you can virtually guarantee that these things would function with near impunity against Dark Eldar.

Seriously... build a SM army and proxy a pair or trio of these, then have one of your buddies build something from the codex. See what happens.

Eric

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I've got no regular eldar buddies anymore have Wraithguard and Wraithlords become obsolete?

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Pretty much. Wraithguard are just too overcosted for what they bring to the table, and there's no chance of a wraithlord ever getting into combat with that thing.
   
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This poll is so biased. There isn't even an option that says "I like it". WTF dude?



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GalacticDefender wrote:This poll is so biased. There isn't even an option that says "I like it". WTF dude?

That's because this is not a poll about whether you like it. This is a poll about whether it is balanced.

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Ouze wrote:On a slight tangent, I wish you had not put in a "don't care" option. It serves no purpose other then to siphon votes away from other choices for no reason at all - the people who "don't care" already have a vote - not reading or participating in this thread.


No its good, I came to this thread because I have never heard of this tank.. and yet I still don't care. Although Don't care should be called cupcakes/pineapple.

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My Gunline Army has alot of Lascannons and Twin linked Lascannons so I can usually put a fair bit of glancing hurt on AR13 and AR14 vehicles. This is because most of my opponents play mech heavy guard and I cannot always get in nice and close with Melta's in the opening turns of the game. So I tend to put down some fire with my Lascannons RB's Preds and Dreds and follow it with Melta bomb scouts, MM Landspeeders or Combi-melta sternguard. This Vehicle would literally have every Lascannon I could muster firing at it and i know the only way to stop it would be to glance it to the max, Meanwhile the rest of the Enemy Vehicles assault my lines, Lose-Lose Flow diaqram... My mate paul, (A SW player) with a 6 x LC Longfang unit would love to have a crack at this unit over a 4 turn game.

A quick question IIRC Scout Snipers can Glance on a 6? Cheap unit buy 3 of them, throw in Sgt Telion at 50pts. Use his skill to aim one of your snipers, I am sure you can do this. Plus with 14 other snipers all firing you will get saturation of the Tank. Rending is such a great rule for Scout Snipers!

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AlexHolker wrote:
GalacticDefender wrote:This poll is so biased. There isn't even an option that says "I like it". WTF dude?

That's because this is not a poll about whether you like it. This is a poll about whether it is balanced.


There is not really even an option to say it is balanced though...



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@mwnciboo
It's a lot easier in theiry than in practice. That's all I'm saying.

Eric

Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 
   
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mwnciboo wrote:A quick question IIRC Scout Snipers can Glance on a 6?

Not against AV14.

GalacticDefender wrote:There is not really even an option to say it is balanced though...

The one that says "Meh. Fair." So quit complaining.

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If AP1 gets a +1 and the Achilles has a -1 on Damage table does that even out 0 modification on the Damage table?

I do not discriminate....all races are equally worthless....

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Dogface 76 wrote:If AP1 gets a +1 and the Achilles has a -1 on Damage table does that even out 0 modification on the Damage table?

Yes.

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San Diego

ZOMG That's awesome! I still think I would rather have the Land Raider Ares, though. Demolisher cannon on a LR FTW!!

It says at the bottom "this is a Heavy Support choice in..." Does that mean I could use this in a normal game?

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QuestionableStrategy wrote:It says at the bottom "this is a Heavy Support choice in..." Does that mean I could use this in a normal game?

Yes. But I wouldn't, at least until we see the modified version of the rules that will be in the actual book. As-is, it's going to be rather unfun to play against.

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it counts as a heavy support choice if your group allows FW rules and models.

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Ol' Blighty

Grey Templar wrote:it counts as a heavy support choice if your group allows FW rules and models.

mine does! (if they don't make an exception...) An evil plan is forming...heh heh heh...
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JB: I like the concept of a free Shrike roaming through the treetops of the jungle. I'm not sure that I like the idea of a real Shrike sitting on my couch eating my Skittles.
corpsesarefun: Thank god I missed be nice to shrike day.
greenskin lynn: because of all the skittles and soda, you basically live off sugar water, like some sort of freakish human-hummingbird hybrid. 
   
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Philippines, Pasig City

Well I for one would get two The models are awesome for me, the rules might get some revisions though. But this would be awesome for my SW army.

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mindfield wrote:the rules might get some revisions though.

The rules are getting some revisions.

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i really believe your going to see them in the next ARD BOYZ

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