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**Platuan4th**

Savnock wrote:

Dude, several of us were trying not to spoilercize this fact for the many folks in the thread that just stated they had not read Path yet but really wanted to. Might you be so kind as to edit with the spoiler button please? I know it helps me a lot in, say, BL threads. Thanks.

Not really a spoiler, though, since that's pretty much how the fluff in the 2nd ed Codex states it is, too. It's not really a great secret unless you're new to the hobby.

**Kanluwen**

All I know is I hope they do a full line of these "cold weather" Cadians. Kneeling heavy weapon crews, snipers, commanders, Kasrkin, everything.

My Titan fund would be broken open so fast it would be wondering what the hell just happened.

**BrookM**

Chances are just conversion packs, not full kits.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

BrookM wrote:Chances are just conversion packs, not full kits.

never know with forgeworld though, could be full kits might just be conversion. hard to tell at this point

**BrookM**

Seeing as we're dealing with Cadians, I'm going with conversion packs, which are quicker to do, not that hard to mess up (though this is FW..) and cheaper than full on resin squads. I'm sure we'll get conversion packs for infantry squads, maybe a pack for weapon crews and the odd full resin model, maybe a special character or another Cadian command squad, only this time in cold weather gear.

**wolfpack**

ok so is there any more news in this area or is this thread just going to keep going off topic with everyones opinions and wants lists?

**MajorTom11**

Look, at least it is going off topic civilly and people are having pretty interesting discussions and it hasn't devolved into people gakking in their own hands and flinging it back and forth.

In this case, closing it wouldn't serve much as people would open a new thread within 24 hrs asking about IA11 rumors lol!

**Savnock**

Kanluwen wrote:My Titan fund would be broken open so fast it would be wondering what the hell just happened.

Glad to hear someone else has a Forgeworld fund. It's always entertaining explaining to a new girlfriend exactly what the "Titan Fund" is, what it is for, and why it cannot be used to fund a Hawaiian vacation. Makes an excellent test for dork tolerance.

Back on-topic (or at least closer to it), does anyone happen to know of a particularly good online retailer for those Star Wars minis? Some of those turrets are gonna have to go into any decent winter soldiers display.

**Kanluwen**

BrookM wrote:Chances are just conversion packs, not full kits.

Oh, that I'm well aware of. I'm guessing it will likely be the route they took with the Hardened Veterans with Shotguns(y'know: the parts are resin, and they attach to the standard plastic bits).

But it can't stop me from hoping they'll do some cold-weather geared Kasrkin or kneeling legs for heavy weapons teams, now can it?

**BrookM**

Weapon crews yes, Kasrkin are iffy, as they would be forced to do whole new models from the ground up. And seeing as this is an Eldar book, most of the love will go to them.

**Kanluwen**

I don't know if "most of the love" will go to them, but definitely a large portion of it

**BrookM**

It's a theme with the scenario driven IA books really. One force gets a massive amount of love, the others not so much. Imperials won't be getting as much as the cone-headed china dolls. A big tank, two or three Cadian conversion packs, a few resin characters for the Wolves and maybe Cadians, that's it.

**Manchu**

A conversion kit is best for everyone. Look at the Tallarn stuff -- beautiful HW teams and Rough Riders but what am I going to do, put those next to the junk infantry squad GW sells? Better to have something I can put on every Guardsmen in the current Cadian lineup, which is pretty good looking as is. I'm having trouble, however, imaging a conversion kit that will give them a compellingly different look. Any ideas? I'm hoping for something less obvious than fur-trimmed hoods and goggles, a la Han on Hoth.

**Kanluwen**

So far, everything seems to point towards it being sets of ' longcoat legs' that mesh up with the Cadian torsos(which have the whole field jacket setup visible under the flak armor).

So I'd guess they'll likely look similar to the Allied miniatures for Dust: Tactics/the NCR Veteran Rangers with the duster pulled closed.

**wulfhund**

Temujin wrote:In a sense there are three tiers of phoenix lords, and depending on your outlook you might not refer to all of them as true phoenix lords.

Even relatively new aspects must presumably have a founder who might reasonably be regarded as a phoenix lord by their followers. Once the founder dies another warrior would don their armour, but the personality of the new 'phoenix lord' would differ in much the same way as any exarch, so in this way they don't function in the same way as the established phoenix lords.

Once the aspect has been around for a long enough time the accumulated spirit contained in the founder's armour would be so overwhelming to the new owner that it would essentially take over, and the phoenix lord's personality would persist no matter how many times they died.

The final tier of phoenix lords are those that were around when Asurmen founded the aspects. If this is your criteria for phoenix lord-hood then there can be no more phoenix lords than those we know, and furthermore Karandras cannot be regarded as a phoenix lord since he wasn't among them. It seems much more reasonable to me to at least give the second tier of founding exarchs, as well as Karandras (since his personality has reached the same persistent state) the honour of being referred to as phoenix lords, but at the end of the day it's just a name.

On the other hand I can certainly see the advantages of keeping us in the dark about some of the phoenix lords/founding exarchs, since it gives players the chance to create their own background outside of the established lore. In that case though it would be nice if we were given more to work with in the codex.

Interesting point of view, wondering if you subscribe to the idea that Drazhar is Arhra. If that is so, then I am less sure that Phoenix Lords are necessarily Founders insomuch as the aspect's avatar as it were (that would technically make Incubi a fallen aspect which seems to fit their stats).

**Temujin**

wulfhund wrote:Interesting point of view, wondering if you subscribe to the idea that Drazhar is Arhra. If that is so, then I am less sure that Phoenix Lords are necessarily Founders insomuch as the aspect's avatar as it were (that would technically make Incubi a fallen aspect which seems to fit their stats).

I think the canon answer is that he probably is but we're not supposed to say it out loud. If my interpretation is correct then it's certainly true that an exarch that's been around long enough would function in much the same way as a Phoenix Lord. But the founder is by definition the one that's been around longest and has acheived the greatest measure of immortality. Although not a founder, this can also said to be true for Karandras, since he's the longest lived exarch of his aspect that's still around. As for the Incubi, I think we can fairly consider them the followers of a fallen Phoenix Lord, but not a fallen aspect as such since the Striking Scorpions are still around. As I understand it the Incubi themselves are Dark Eldar, which rules out some of the quirks we associate with aspect warriors, but in many other ways they follow the path of the aspect warrior very closely.

**wolfpack**

One last thing to say...

would like to see them show some proper love to my lads...

That is all I have to say on that

**Kanluwen**

I'd not hold my breath on Forge World producing too much for the Wolves of Fenris.

There's just not that much for them to produce without stepping on GW's toes. Maybe Thunderwolf Cavalry or a Wolf Lord that could double as Logan Grimnar, things like that. But the plastics cover pretty much everything as is.

**Just Dave**

Yeah, only the TWC don't really have a model or suitable representation but everything else is covered and I'd say it's time GW moved on from the Wolves and Blood Angels. Model-wise at least...

**crimsonmicc**

It looks as though there will be "eldar coursairs" included:

Heavy Support: A Warp Hunter is a Heavy Support choice for an Eldar army and an Eldar Corsairs army.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/W/Warp-Hunter.pdf

Personally im hoping for some ritualistic eating of space wolves to summon a ghost of Khaine.

**Mr Mystery**

NYARRRGH! WARPHUNTER!!!!

EPICGASM!

And I don't even like Eldar!

**Dysartes**

BrookM wrote: the cone-headed china dolls.

Best. Eldar. Description.EVER!

And even as a non-Eldar player, seeing the Warp Hunter in 40k is pretty awesome.

**Kanluwen**

crimsonmicc wrote:It looks as though there will be "eldar coursairs" included:

Heavy Support: A Warp Hunter is a Heavy Support choice for an Eldar army and an Eldar Corsairs army.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/W/Warp-Hunter.pdf

Personally im hoping for some ritualistic eating of space wolves to summon a ghost of Khaine.

I'm fairly certain "ritualistic eating" of any enemy has never been a part of summoning Khaine.

Bloodletting, yes. Sacrifices, yes.

But I'm pretty sure Khaine would ignore you if you start eating people.

**Goliath**

MODELSS!!!!! AND WARHAMMER FORGE!!!
Shadow Spectres

Warp Hunter

Forge World wrote:
Hi There,
This Newsletter contains some fantastic news for Eldar players with two releases available to pre-order now. We also have two previously unseen Badab War scenarios for you to download, and news of our first three Events for 2011- AdeptiCon in Chicago, the Forge World Open Day here in Nottingham and Salute in London.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Eldar New Releases Available to Pre-Order Now:

Shadow Spectres Aspect Warrior Squad
Disguised behind shimmering holo-fields, draped with gossamer-thin robes and appearing like ghosts, the Shadow Spectres are armed with prism rifles, each a potent anti-tank weapon. Their jet pack mobility allows them to hunt down their chosen targets with the implacable patience of the dead, materialising seemingly from the very air to unleash their overwhelming firepower.
Believed long lost by the Eldar’s Seers, this detailed full resin kit, sculpted by Simon Egan, contains 5 of these mysterious and deadly Aspect Warriors.
Experimental rules for the Shadow Spectres Aspect Warriors are available to download from the Forge World website, taken from the desk of Imperial Armour writer Warwick Kinrade.
The full story of the discovery of the Shadow Spectres will be featured in Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara, released later this year.

Warp Hunter Grav Tank
The Warp Hunter, perhaps the rarest of Eldar tanks, sacrifices the transport capacity of the Falcon chassis to mount the terrifying firepower of a large D-Cannon, a weapon capable of tearing open the very fabric of reality and engulfing its target in the dark energies of the Warp.
This complete resin and plastic kit, sculpted by Stuart Williamson, adds additional mobile heavy firepower to an Eldar army.
The Warp Hunter will be fully detailed in the forthcoming Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara, but in advance of this we’ve managed to secure experimental rules for the Warp Hunter from Warwick Kinrade’s manuscript as a free download.
Both the Shadow Spectres Aspect Warrior Squad and the Warp Hunter Grav Tank are available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing the 24th of January.

Additional Badab War Content Available to Download Now
After the impressive response to the additional Badab War material from our last newsletter, this week we’ve added another two scenarios that you can download here and here. To get the most out of these scenarios will require Imperial Armour Volume 9 and Imperial Armour Volume 10, as each provides a unique tactical challenge based on some of the major engagements in this most bloody conflict.

Warhammer Forge
As you may have noticed, the Warhammer section of the Forge World website has altered slightly in anticipation of the imminent launch of Warhammer Forge. We’re excited to announce that the very next Newsletter you receive will feature the first Warhammer Forge releases, which will be sent out alongside our usual Forge World newsletters so you don’t have to worry about signing up again. Stay tuned for more in the not-too-distant future…

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Oh My God those shadow spectres are gorgeous.

**Kroothawk**

Maybe we should discuss this in a single thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/340775.page

**Alpharius**

Hard to manage, I'll agree.

Everything SHOULD be in here, but in the rush to provide 'news', people often don't look around to see if it was already posted or if there's a better place for it...

This thread is the 'home' of IA 11 rumors and discussion, so most likely the other thread will eventually die out or be closed up.

**nathonicus**

Savnock wrote:
tldr wrote:Anyone else's first thought look something like this:

http://daddytypes.com/archive/hoth_rebel_hat.jpg

And then immediate second thought look like this:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnql3aGeIIa4O5M:http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/moviegoers-guide-to-the-galaxy/empire-strikes-back.jpg&t=1

FINALLY A GREAT ROUGH RIDER MODELING OPPORTUNITY!!

Nathonicus is already on it, and might be selling them through Troll Forged. I know this thread is way out of date, but it's the latest I could find (they are pretty much done now, I think): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229432.page

Indeed I am, and indeed they will be. That thread is no longer out of date, as it is updated with shiny resin goodness, courtesy of Troll Forged. Cheers for the mention, Savnock.

**FM Ninja 048**

Manchu wrote:A conversion kit is best for everyone. Look at the Tallarn stuff -- beautiful HW teams and Rough Riders but what am I going to do, put those next to the junk infantry squad GW sells? Better to have something I can put on every Guardsmen in the current Cadian lineup, which is pretty good looking as is. I'm having trouble, however, imaging a conversion kit that will give them a compellingly different look. Any ideas? I'm hoping for something less obvious than fur-trimmed hoods and goggles, a la Han on Hoth.

Fur hats, some sort of cloak, googles, Backpacks, greatcoat legs, facemasks, snowshoes and hopefully some winter themed scenery or winter vehicle upgrades

I would hope for Tauntauns and hoth styled turrets but that's a bit of a stretch