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Anyone else thinking that clawed fiend will end up being seen in many armies as a rato ogre?

NAVARRO wrote:Beastmaster- Dislocated shoulder, hands of diferent sizes, broken wrist dislocated neck and goofy head. Pose loks like hes having a dump.

Succubus- crapachan bicep muscle, sigh... nice model overall.

Clawed fiend- Messy head so messy it spoils the model... pose is ok escept the stupid tipitytoe on the rock Love the torso muscles.

Kymeras... errr many years ago rackham did Dirz tigers a concept very similar to this yet the sculpting was million light years away from this goofy headed things

crows- very usefull and decently done.

For the prices "Nearly £10 a model?" these are NOT in that league of quality sculpting.

Thanks Navarro
Saves me having to type out the same sentiments.
Only thing I would disagree with is that I find the torso muscles overdone on the Clawed feind. Never seen a Clawed feind pumping iron in the gym.

Maybe cos I have never been to a gym.

I really like the Khymeras, the one with the bone...limbs? would make a great stand-in for Kharnarak in a Daemons of Chaos list alongside some Chaos Hounds as Flesh Hounds.

Hounds hounds hounds.

Kanluwen wrote:
The birds are meant to be unintimidating and mundane.
They're freakin' birds man, no matter how you spin it. They're only dangerous because they travel in huge flocks.

It could be argued that more could have been done with them.

ChrisCP wrote:less threatening than a crow & rounder than a seagull....

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:The models are okay, the weakest are the Beastmaster and flock of Seaguls (as Dash pointed out )

*Cries as pride is stung from page 1*

Succubus is amazing model.
Have to say i'm not particularly impressed by the others (their not bad, i just don't like them very much) and the prospect of a £100+ squad isn't very nice....

Edit: So apparently dakka can't endorse the moulding of GW parts. Fair play, removed my post.

The Succubus and Beastmaster are both good, but frankly, I think I can make a nearly as good model with bits from the existing plastics. I like the Khymerae (though am not sure about the lack of skin...) and the Clawed Fiend is nice, if way too pricey. The Razorwings are a big disappointment though. They just look like relatively ordinary birds. And also expensive.

I think I am just going to be using Hellion, Wych, and other parts for the DE, and Cold Ones for the Clawed Fiend, probably Chaos Hounds for Khymerae, and still don't know about Razowings...

In addition to MGS





And the last one's a damn rooster.

The Heresy Miniatures Hellhounds would make excellent Khymeras (they also do 'hellbeasts' that are also suitable)

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/monsters_main.htm

The Snow Troll would also make a good alternative Clawed Fiend. I'm sure there are many mini companies making stirges and other flying D&D nasties that would serve as a cheaper alternative to the birds...

I like the Razorwing, more could have been done with them, sure.

Personally, I love these new models, I think they all look great. I won't use any of them other than the Succubus for my (female) Duke Sliscus conversion, but hey, if I were to use Beastmasters, I'd probably get the one model and use Hellions for the others in the group, but that's just me. That said, I have no interest in using Hellions of any kind.

And to me, the Succubus looks no more manly than Lelith or the Wyches, just throwing that out there.

Wings in flight are always horizontal
The IoB Griffon and all three birdies

A bit more dynamism would be good on future GW wings please.

As for a ton for a squad, it is good news...
for GW.

So... I know I'm just jumping on the bandwagon here and repeating what everybody else is saying, but I gotta say it... these are a huge let down compared to the rest of the Dark Eldar Miniatures released so far.

I mean, I'm a huge fan of the unit's concept (the more weird aliens in 40k the better IMO) and expected better than this.

The clawed fiend, with that huge grin, looks like Stitch from Lilo & Stitch wearing a halloween mask. The original concept art from 3rd edition looked so much better.

The Razorwings are just birds.

The Khymeras are the best of the bunch, but don't do justice to the art in the Codex. I was hoping for somethign less 'muscle and bones' and more 'weird mutant thing'.

The Beastmaster is quite nice, but suffers (like the rest of the models) from not having any variants. It also doesn't differe enough from the Hellions.

The Succubus is ok, but you could make one every bit as good out of the Wyches box set.

In fact, all of these could be BETTER represented by proxies and conversions - for a fraction of the price (which is disgraceful). It would cost hundreds of pounds to make a large unit of Beastmasters and Beasts using these models. I mean, for goodness sake, Beastmasters are the Dark Eldar option for a horde unit. You can take up to 30 models in a single unit, according to the rules, but buying that unit would cost about 300 UK pounds. That's twice as much as I spent on my first 1000 points of Dark Eldar.

Oh well, at least this gives me an opportunity to do some converting. I didn't want to start converting yet in case the second wave models looked better than my conversion ideas.

The Fragile Breath wrote:I like the Razorwing, more could have been done with them, sure, but I think all those birds MeanGreenStompa linked just look silly, and are indeed supposed to look like normal birds.

I'll just point out that 4 of the 5 images I linked have, at one stage or another, actually existed... I actually think the razorwings are a fair sculpt as generic birds but not as vicious alien avians. I imagine they'll be seeing a good number of uses and I might actually get some for my fantasy WoC army... Raven God calls and all that.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

The Fragile Breath wrote:I like the Razorwing, more could have been done with them, sure, but I think all those birds MeanGreenStompa linked just look silly, and are indeed supposed to look like normal birds.

I'll just point out that 4 of the 5 images I linked have, at one stage or another, actually existed... I actually think the razorwings are a fair sculpt as generic birds but not as vicious alien avians. I imagine they'll be seeing a good number of uses and I might actually get some for my fantasy WoC army... Raven God calls and all that.

I know, I didn't mean that as a personal attack, I just think they look more silly than they do menacing.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
The birds are meant to be unintimidating and mundane.
They're freakin' birds man, no matter how you spin it. They're only dangerous because they travel in huge flocks.

It could be argued that more could have been done with them.

No doubt about that part.

I'm kind of surprised that they made them in blister pack format rather than a box of 5 each like the Mandrakes and whatnot.

My initial raction was that of disappointment after the first set of excellent sculpts. All of which are plastic iirc.
Given what GW have said themselves about moving more into plastic models, this seems a step baclwards.

Don't follow GW's reasoning in putting this release out in metal at these prices.

A metal bitz-pack for Hellions would have been better suited for the Beastmaster, people are going to need several after all. Why reinvent the wheel? (Or in this case, the hoverboard). The beastmaster having a Khymera skull for a helmet is sort of cool though.

So, Plastic Hellions for Beast Masters, the Clawed Fiend is more or less viable for actual use due to it's low quantity, but how are we going to make units that include Khymera and Razorwing flocks? People seem to have latched on to Chaos Warhounds and Wargs as Khymera subsitutes, but are there any possible GW Razorwing substitutes we could use that won't set me back £180 for three units's worth? (I was aiming for three units of 5 beast masters, 8 Razorwings and 5 Khymera each)

Razorwing Possiblities:

Razorwing Flock: £7.70 per base http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1140047a
Flying Rippers: £5.80 per base http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/TYRANID-RIPPERS-WITH-WINGS.html
Warhammer Bats: £4.35 per base http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1050056&rootCatGameStyle=
Undead Carrion: £2.90 (Is that right?) per base http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1130116&rootCatGameStyle=

Khymera Possibilities:

Khymera: £8.70 Each http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1140015a&rootCatGameStyle=
Kroot Hounds: £4.35 Each http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060294&rootCatGameStyle=
Ork Boars: £3.10 Each http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440080a&prodId=prod750002a
Forest Goblin Spiders: £1.85 Each http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440079a&prodId=prod840899
Wargs: £1.70 Each http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod770031a&rootCatGameStyle=
Dire Wolves: £1.55 Each http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440103a&prodId=prod1050050
Chaos Warhounds: £1.55 Each http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440031a&prodId=prod1610000

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:My initial raction was that of disappointment after the first set of excellent sculpts. All of which are plastic iirc.
Given what GW have said themselves about moving more into plastic models, this seems a step baclwards.

Don't follow GW's reasoning in putting this release out in metal at these prices.

The only one that makes sense to me is the Succubus, I think it's perfectly sensible that she be metal. The others? Yeah, should have been plastic.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:My initial raction was that of disappointment after the first set of excellent sculpts. All of which are plastic iirc.
Given what GW have said themselves about moving more into plastic models, this seems a step backwards.

They've said that they're wanting to "move more units that are fielded in large numbers into plastic". So things like Raveners, Dragon Princes, etc. Not everything can feasibly be plastic.

Don't follow GW's reasoning in putting this release out in metal at these prices.

GW's reasoning is pretty simple, I'd think.

They don't expect people to really buy that many of these things. Maybe a few people will, but a plastic kit likely wouldn't have made its cost back.

Yes, I can see that would make sense Fragile Breath.

My bad.

Kanluwen wrote: I'm kind of surprised that they made them in blister pack format rather than a box of 5 each like the Mandrakes and whatnot.

That is exactly what I was expecting, maybe a set for Razorwings + Beastmaster and Kymera + Beastmaster and make the Clawed fiend a blister pack. But heaven forbid GW do something sensible.

Hell, more surprising is that they didn't do a boxed set and have it direct only.

they look awesome, but as many pointed out, the cost per model is a bit rediculous

No, sorry, it doesn't make sense. It's a horde unit. given decent sculpts, available at affordable prices, people may well have bought a lot of these. At these prices, no-one is going to bother. You need a lot of them to make a viable unit, and buying a lot of them is not feasible. Ergo, no sales. I very much doubt they'll make their costs back.

Sucks to be a store having to order these deadweights.. I like the sculpts, but I could barely bring myself to buy 10 Ogryn.. and those are at least 400 pts for 250$..

Maybe Kanners. But I was under the impression that the beasts would require larger numbers.
But you are talking near enough 9 quid a pop for a single beastie, £27 for a pack of three? ouch!
Add in another £9 bar 30p for the Beastmaster and for a not very small unit you are already the best part of £36 out of pocket.
ditto for a single flock of 3 budgies (not 4 as shown in the pic sneakily photoshopping out the clear stem )

So yeah I see how they think people won't be buying many of these chaps.

ChrisCP wrote:

ChrisCP wrote:less threatening than a crow & rounder than a seagull....

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:The models are okay, the weakest are the Beastmaster and flock of Seaguls (as Dash pointed out )

*Cries as pride is stung from page 1*

My apologies dear sir, I seemed to miss your much more subtle use of the same humour.


On a side note - I must admit I did get confused over the large unit size comments going around here, before checking the book and sudddenly noticing the list of gribblies are per Beastmaster. Obviously during the flick of Aurelia's codex I'd assumed that was max unit size and thought them a very weak unit.

So did she it seems, or at least she had not made any immediate plans to get any, now she's pondering conversion options. My poor Eldar.

Samus666 wrote:No, sorry, it doesn't make sense. It's a horde unit. given decent sculpts, available at affordable prices, people may well have bought a lot of these. At these prices, no-one is going to bother. You need a lot of them to make a viable unit, and buying a lot of them is not feasible. Ergo, no sales. I very much doubt they'll make their costs back.

You know what else was a "horde unit"?

Grots.

The decision for metal or plastic doesn't seem to simply be "Is this a horde unit? If yes---go directly to plastic!".

It seems to be "Do we expect this to be something that every single Dark Eldar player will take, no matter what army build they're using?" followed by "Well, it may be a slightly large unit size--but if it's going to be a shelfwarmer, put it in metal blisters."

You know, I may laugh at the Clawed Fiend's 'trip nips', but I'd be to busy running in terror if I ever saw that thing in real life.