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derek wrote:

Jon Garrett wrote:I must admit, I was rather...surprised to see Malleus, Xenos and Hereticus inquistors avaiable. That does not bode well for the Sisters of Battle, I guess.

I don't know, I think it far more likely that they're simply going the stand alone route with the Sisters of Battle. Or it could be they'll simply print the same Inquisitor rules in the Sisters of Battle book as well.

Which would invalidate everyone's army that plays =][= and is opposed to using a SC. Not that I'd mind considering how Ward took the flavor of every unit in my army. Looks like I'll be writing my own codex.

Requin wrote:

derek wrote:

Jon Garrett wrote:I must admit, I was rather...surprised to see Malleus, Xenos and Hereticus inquistors avaiable. That does not bode well for the Sisters of Battle, I guess.

I don't know, I think it far more likely that they're simply going the stand alone route with the Sisters of Battle. Or it could be they'll simply print the same Inquisitor rules in the Sisters of Battle book as well.

Which would invalidate everyone's army that plays =][= and is opposed to using a SC. Not that I'd mind considering how Ward took the flavor of every unit in my army. Looks like I'll be writing my own codex.

Welcome to 5th edition, I guess. Seems that these days if you want to play an alternate army it requires special characters. It goes along nicely with the recent Jervis quote that they absolutely want you to use your special characters in every single game.

**Changes special charater's name to: Captain DeeEyeWhy So'whut**

There. All fixed.

Sheesh, it's a rule set - as long as you use it, NO one can complain about what freakin' name or fluff you give the model! Well, they CAN, but you should just punch them until they fall down. And then you should kick them.

derek wrote:

Requin wrote:

derek wrote:

Jon Garrett wrote:I must admit, I was rather...surprised to see Malleus, Xenos and Hereticus inquistors avaiable. That does not bode well for the Sisters of Battle, I guess.

I don't know, I think it far more likely that they're simply going the stand alone route with the Sisters of Battle. Or it could be they'll simply print the same Inquisitor rules in the Sisters of Battle book as well.

Which would invalidate everyone's army that plays =][= and is opposed to using a SC. Not that I'd mind considering how Ward took the flavor of every unit in my army. Looks like I'll be writing my own codex.

Welcome to 5th edition, I guess. Seems that these days if you want to play an alternate army it requires special characters. It goes along nicely with the recent Jervis quote that they absolutely want you to use your special characters in every single game.

I've never understood this fury and rage. Why not just refer to them as Inquisitor Genericpants if you really don't want to think of it as Coteaz in every battle? Or for that matter, refluff yourself your own special character who is a counts-as whomeever? Maybe another mechanized easy chair was found and it was given to Inqusitor Khalamazov?

This is what I planned to do anyway. Inquisitor Taveran (my own Inquisitor character) is just going to use Coteaz's rules so I can get stormtroopers.

I must admit, I've instantly started looking over a freshly converted Inquistor Lord I made yesterday, seeinghow I'd need to customize him to make him a useful Counts As Corteaz. I see a Hammer in his future, and the loss of his Storm Bolter...

Going to have to play more lists tonight...seeing definite potential across the board.

Am I the only one excited about taking 12 guys with 12 plasma guns?

Nah, I'm excited about taking 12 guys with 12 MELTAGUNS :

I do not believe this codex is real. This is the same point in the rumor cycle that we got the fake nid dex, and the fake blood angels dex. I'll believe what is and isn't in the codex when the black box comes in.

Find it kinda wierd that there isn't a option for GK HQ to swap there termie armour for AA......Hope it isn't for real.

sharkticon wrote:I do not believe this codex is real. This is the same point in the rumor cycle that we got the fake nid dex, and the fake blood angels dex. I'll believe what is and isn't in the codex when the black box comes in.

If it's not real, there was a LOT of work done on the fluff to make it seem authentic. There is a description (fluff) for every unit entry. The only thing lacking is the wargear.

Same with the other two fake dexes I mentioned. I do believe that many of the concepts in it are real. The aforementioned fake dexes did include many ideas that made it into the final. I think it was leaked by GW marketing to get us buying, but I think that like the last two "codex leaks" this is not real.

Holycrusader27 wrote:Find it kinda wierd that there isn't a option for GK HQ to swap there termie armour for AA......Hope it isn't for real.

Only Grand Masters and Brother-Captains have Terminator armour. All the others have Artificier armour or worse.


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sharkticon wrote:Same with the other two fake dexes I mentioned. I do believe that many of the concepts in it are real. The aforementioned fake dexes did include many ideas that made it into the final. I think it was leaked by GW marketing to get us buying, but I think that like the last two "codex leaks" this is not real.

Normally, I'd agree with you. But nearly everything in this leak has matched what respected rumormongers have been reporting. And things like an entire page on the fluff of Nemesis Dreadknights make me think otherwise.

And having seen the "Fake" nid and ba codexes I can tell you that this looks nothing like them. That said it could very easily be the last cycle before the final but I get the feeling it's a good place to start if your looking at GK's. Holds together far to well. My only concern is the actual stats of the Psycannon cause if it's really St7 Heavy 3 Rending this codex is going to make SW's look like 3 year olds.

For 2k points, this could be a valid army?

Draigo
Librarian + 4 psychic powers
10 Paladins, Apothecary, 4x Warding Staves
Vindicare Assassin
3x Dreadknights

Not saying it's any good, but wondering if it's legal?

What's squad size on Paladin? 5-10, 1-10, 5?

At this stage I think we're looking at leaks and rumors that hold quite a bit of credibility. If not spot on they're most likely very close. Personally I'm with puma on the fake dex that we have seen due to the shear amount of fluff written in addition to the confirmation of most rumors.

I personally believe that it's an old pre production copy that's outdated and that changes will be made to it before the true release.

I'm just excited for the new models period. Swords, spears, falcions, hammers my god the bitz heaven, not even getting into the knight helms that'll come with every box. Shiny bitz for terminators and honor guards, fluff pieces for unique chapters. The dreadknights I could do without as a model but I've been working on a dreadnought with knees and elbows based off the GW's showcase on their website that had a thousand sons pre heresy forgeworld mk 4 dread upgraded useing sentinel legs. I figure if I can make a sword out of plasticard and slap a dreadknight heavy psycannon on it bam there's my proxy dreadknight.

Stuff that jump out at me
Corteaz is simply cheap, I expect to see it in most power lists since his rules are pretty good even without henchman.

Dreadnaughts can get psybolt ammo.... if it is +1S you can get 4xBS4 S8 hits at a vendetta's price, with fortitude and the tarpit power of a dread. Don't know how Dreadknight's weapons stack up.

@puma
I knew GK like there termie armour but still the option would be nice since they all come with Iron halo except the libbie. My only real gripe besides only 1 FA choice

sourclams wrote:For 2k points, this could be a valid army?

Draigo
Librarian + 4 psychic powers
10 Paladins, Apothecary, 4x Warding Staves
Vindicare Assassin
3x Dreadknights

Not saying it's any good, but wondering if it's legal?

What's squad size on Paladin? 5-10, 1-10, 5?

Starts with 1, adding 9 more.

That build is about 1700 pts, without gear on the Librarian or the Dreadknights.

Can squads of 1 paladin take a psycannon?

If so... Roflpotato.

Holycrusader27 wrote:@puma
I knew GK like there termie armour but still the option would be nice since they all come with Iron halo except the libbie. My only real gripe besides only 1 FA choice

It's an old bit of fluff for the Grey Knights that terminator armour is a sign of rank and that after justicar terminator armour is the standard. The big gripe I have with this is that with your best CC squads mounted in the stuff you're not going to be able to sweeping advance everyone, they just get away if they break.

sourclams wrote:Can squads of 1 paladin take a psycannon?

If so... Roflpotato.

No, for every 5 paladins, two paladins may take. . .

So Meltaguns are as effective against Paladins as plasma guns at less than 12 inches? (Melta IDing with wounds and Plasma getting double shots but needing 2 to kill) also meltaguns being assault weapons and plamaguns being rapid fire...

Its the dread knights that are awfully cheap that scare the daylights out of me.

Even tricked out, they are way cheaper than a tyranofex and about twice as effective.

imweasel wrote:Its the dread knights that are awfully cheap that scare the daylights out of me.

Even tricked out, they are way cheaper than a tyranofex and about twice as effective.

+1. But i'm honestly jealous as well.

+2 to that. I figured these things would cost something similar to a Land Raider, but not even close.

I'm a little disappointed with this codex, and so I hope it's a fake. I wanted Castellan Crowe to be better, and be an IC. If that doesn't change in the final version, hopefully generic Grand Master will be able to trade terminator armor for Artificier armor.

imweasel wrote:
Its the dread knights that are awfully cheap that scare the daylights out of me.

Even tricked out, they are way cheaper than a tyranofex and about twice as effective.

+1. But i'm honestly jealous as well.

Yeah, if that ends up being the actual cost, us nid players got screwed big time.

And if that's the real cost, I'm going to find the nearest Blood Angel player and cram a Heavy Psycannon down his throat.

I don't even know the HPC's stats but it's gonna be awesome judging by the cost and fact that only a Dreadknight can use one.

And having seen the "Fake" nid and ba codexes I can tell you that this looks nothing like them. That said it could very easily be the last cycle before the final but I get the feeling it's a good place to start if your looking at GK's. Holds together far to well. My only concern is the actual stats of the Psycannon cause if it's really St7 Heavy 3 Rending this codex is going to make SW's look like 3 year olds.

+1. This pdf is a real codex minus the artwork and final touches. The others were typed in Microsoft word.